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15th February 2017, 04:11 AM #1GOLD MEMBER
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CA Finish Help/Advice
I am in the process of turning a shaver kit, (razor/brush/stand) and am using CA as a finish as better water resistance (suggested). I have put 8/10 light coats on and a quick sand with 600gt wet/dry (dry sand off the lathe) and will re-apply more coats. how long is a suitable cure time of thin CA before using micromesh. I cant afford the time to redo if it clouds or goes pale/milky looking. I have turned some zebrawood bottle stoppers before and cleaned them with Metho to remove sanding dust from the grain prior to applying CA, but occasionally, although the finish is brilliant and super glossy straight off the mesh, one part has a flawless finish, yet another part makes the timber look pale.
I think this is due to 1 of 2 issues, the first, No allowing sufficient time for metho to evaporate fully, ie wet wood. or secondly, not giving the CA time to cure properly before meshing wet. Am I on the right path? I don't use accelerator as would prefer natural cure time.
Any advice and help to prevent me from messing up a matching set, from the same block of Burl, is much appreciated.
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15th February 2017, 06:38 AM #2SENIOR MEMBER
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Hey mate....
I'm certainly no expert, but this is what works for me.
I would allow plenty of time to allow the metho to evaporate, I don't do any sanding between coats (your 600 sand after 10 coats may scratch too deep and leave visible marks -judt an opinion, I haven't done it). I generally do 18 to 20 coats of thin CA, then straight through the micromesh grits.
I believe the white/milky spits of death are from either moisture(in the air -humidity or a still wet blank) or putting CA on a little thick without giving sufficient time to cure (I.e. if there is a small void you're filling).
I tend to use an accelerator, however I apply my ca, contemplate life for a minute allowing a semi natural dry, then apply a small amount of accelerator. It may be that I have allowed enough time to cure naturally, but I use the accelerator anyway as I really don't want a piece of paper towel grabbing on a tacky blank half way through my finishing.
I hope this helps a little, as I said, it works for me....."All the gear and no idea"
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15th February 2017, 06:39 AM #3SENIOR MEMBER
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Hey mate....
I'm certainly no expert, but this is what works for me.
I would allow plenty of time to allow the metho to evaporate, I don't do any sanding between coats (your 600 sand after 10 coats may scratch too deep and leave visible marks -judt an opinion, I haven't done it). I generally do 18 to 20 coats of thin CA, then straight through the micromesh grits.
I believe the white/milky spits of death are from either moisture(in the air -humidity or a still wet blank) or putting CA on a little thick without giving sufficient time to cure (I.e. if there is a small void you're filling).
I tend to use an accelerator, however I apply my ca, contemplate life for a minute allowing a semi natural dry, then apply a small amount of accelerator. It may be that I have allowed enough time to cure naturally, but I use the accelerator anyway as I really don't want a piece of paper towel grabbing on a tacky blank half way through my finishing.
I hope this helps a little, as I said, it works for me....."All the gear and no idea"
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15th February 2017, 07:12 AM #4
Hi Fumbler, you have answered your own question I believe, it is most likely a moisture problem. Also as Gabriel says don't sand between coats with just one grit (600). Unless you go to a full MM polished state the scratches may damage the finish of your final coats. If I am applying decals after ten coats I polish with MM before doing so and then put ten more coats over the decals then polish again. Its a bit of a PITA but well worth the effort.
Cheers, Ian"The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot.. it can't be done.
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15th February 2017, 08:01 AM #5GOLD MEMBER
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you have answered your own question I believe, it is most likely a moisture problem. Also as Gabriel says don't sand between coats with just one grit (600).
Cheers Guys, I have seen some sand between a series of coats, ie, 6 coats then sand and repeat. I had just filled a small tear out and split. that was last wednesday so when I attack it today, previously I wiped with alcohol before, this time I didn't so that's 1 of my points out of the way. next I will finish with the coats and Mesh wet next week. plenty of time to cure.
Stay tuned.
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16th February 2017, 04:46 AM #6GOLD MEMBER
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Almost there, (Pic attached) each has 12-15 coats of CA pre-meshing. I lost count and basically just counted the paper towel stubbs on the floor. Disaster averted as i got pretty close to the tube on the stand. But in my haste, I, 1) forgot to sand out the rebate for the brush after drilling, to make nice fit, currently too tight to push ins, 2) coating the inside of the rebate to make water tight, and 3) the worst one yet, I didn't measure the width of the brush handle to fit in the stand...Yikes!!
So now I have to remount, scrape the CA off reshape and seal rebate. lets hope I don't balls it up. Steady as she goes.
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16th February 2017, 06:40 AM #7SENIOR MEMBER
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Few little missteps, but that's half the fun of it.... Using some loud choice words, getting frustrated with yourself, then vowing not to ever do that again. I find that making the errors myself, I'm much more likely to remember not to do it again, being told to avoid something I tend to forget and do it anyway...
Lovely looking burl you're working with there so I can see why you're doing some of your best work on it...(do you know what burl it is?)
You're spot on with counting the coats... I cut up 10 pieces of paper towel, use each one twice (each end, not in the same spot) and keep count that way.... Bugger a memory count)
I haven't turned any razor kits so can't offer finishing advice on that I'm sorry but I'm enjoying watching the journey...
Cheers
Gab"All the gear and no idea"
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Cheers Gab, its Coolabah, more brown than i would like as i had chosen a stunning reddish piece first, but drilling it was a nightmare and the drill bit wandered at an angle. this time i used a whole new piece, drilled first then cut around the drill holes. I found when trying to drill the centre of the blank it in no way went straight. I'll pop a pic of the other choice I had when turn that and you can tell me I'm wrong with my first choice. his I for my father-in-law who's birthday was last weekend, but luckily (or unluckily, which ever way you look at it, as mother-In-law also coming to stay......) he will be here March 10th from the UK so I can give to him in person, s I don't want to mess it up.
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So back to the drawing board, both pieces finished cloudy and quite dull so I think I have ballsed this up enough. I have now sanded back to bare wood, taking all the CA off and will spray with polyeurethene, which was another recommendation. Atleast I'm a bit more patient with a spray can.
although I may give it one more crack when I buy some accelerator. I haven't used it before.
any recommended speed preferred when applying the CA, I may also have been doing at the wrong speed.
AAARRRGGGHHHHH!!
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19th February 2017, 06:28 PM #10SENIOR MEMBER
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That's a bugger to hear. Get these presents done, then when you have time, just turn something pen sized between centres and practice with the CA.
I tend to apply at about 100 rpm.... Not too slow as you may get ridges, but not too quick that it flies everywhere (I have ruined a few face shields that way)
Hopefully you get the knack and don't put it in the too hard basket for good. It's rewarding when achieved
Gab"All the gear and no idea"
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Wahoo!!! Success, used accelerator and bingo, perfect, slow speed, light coverage and a squirt of accel. Sorted.
Gab, how long til I can micro mesh?
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I generally leave it overnight (yes, projects take a while to complete as shed time is few and far between), but the few times I've had time pressures, after an hour or so I have not had issues .
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Gab, thankyou and also Tony at Perfect Pens, always happy to help with a bumbling question.
Beers are on Delboy when he gets here from the old dart.
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Quick pic, before I micro-mesh. stoked with the results. I shouldn't have been such a tight-a-se in the first place and bought activator. a few ripples to mesh out but am happy with current result.
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Looking great!! From what i can see, those ripples will disappear with a bit of micromeshing. Glad it's all coming together...
I I hope you're doing the micromesh as a wet sand...."All the gear and no idea"
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