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    Everything starts with an Idea ! usually some one elses hehe. But in copying and producing something, leads to another trail that in turn can be copied and improved on then all is good. Do we show our work to say look how clever I am lol, or do we show to try and inspire others to try something different , we are lucky in this forum that sharing is what we are about , and that goes for the real world of practical sharing ,not just Ideas and techniques . Lets hope it stays that way and any unselfishness just withers and dies, not like as is seen on that other site over the pond, which seems to delight in crashing and burning decent people . I could produce pens almost impossible to reproduce using metals and a metal lathe and mixing it in with a beal and some fancy casting , I have no interest in so doing ,most of what I show is doable by almost any penmaker with a bit of experience behind them ,thats what sharing is about ,and that sometimes entails copying a good idea or technique . Cheers ~ John
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    A few years ago at work I started to make a habit of wearing loud Hawaiian shirts to work on Fridays (casual day). Next thing you know a few other people started doing the same thing. The habit quickly spread throughout the whole floor, and then the next floor up. Pretty soon, nearly everyone was wearing Hawaiian shirts on Fridays. I didn't care, I thought it was funny. After all, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    One thing for sure though - nobody is likely to copy any of my pens. I stick with the boring stuff.
    When all is said and done, there is usually a whole lot more said than done.

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    Copying is a natural way to evolution.
    We all copy it is the way we learn. After we have mastered the the copied design or technique then we look to develop it further and once we develop it the we share with others that way the ball keeps rolling. If we did not share and copy new ideas and techniques would die out with there designer and we would not evolve. If you think about it even your schooling or education is a simple matter of copy what people in the past have done, someone learnt 1 + 1 = 2 and then everyone copied and so on.
    To say that pen turners are copy cats is very narrow minded as all fasts of life copy one another.
    Les if you are being copied then you should be proud as that is a indication you are a leader among your piers I wish one day someone will think high enough of my work to copy it.
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    every single pen turner is copying the first bloke that turned the first pen me thinks.
    same as the bloke that makes wheels they are all copying the bloke that made the first wheel it was his idea in the first place .
    'If the enemy is in range, so are you.'

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    Some time back Boomeranginfo and I got together and cast some banksia pods in black resin. I thought it was a new idea - ie to make a pen out using coastal banksia pods.

    Dai Sensai must have had a little chuckle as he'd making pens out of banksia for a couple of years prior. (I only found this out a couple of months back)

    My idea came after picking up a pod and turning it round and then reading the worthless wood tute on IAP

    I believe you cannot copyright an idea. If it is a great idea you might want to patent it (at great expense). But publication stops you ever being able to get a patent.

    I think we are all copycats. I like Les' feather pens, one day I'll try my hand at them (if I can only catch those kookaburras). I like John's woven stainless steel pens, I might try that one day. I like all the acrylics I see people do. I know I'm going to get sick of paying $3 and over for them so I'll start doing my own. Bazza does a nice jarrah burl - I have to try that, Amos does a nice pen, can't match that, throw the whole idea in , etc etc

    Of course we copy an idea, wouldn't be human if we didn't. We, at least I, cannot do an exact copy of any pen we see here, there is too much variation in the source material. (I suppose a jet black acrylic, chrome sierra could be an almost exact replica)

    Yep we are copycats, but we are also a bunch of diverse people whom are willing to help each other with ideas and techniques, which can only be considered amazing

    Now to go to IAP and read about casting clock mechanisms



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    Copyright does not protect ideas, concepts, styles, techniques or information.
    A patent is a right granted for any device, substance, method or process which is new, inventive and useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MBUMIK View Post
    the big question is though how many times can the wheel be reinvented
    Too right.

    It is why I don't turn pens. I hate to offend other pen turners.
    Visit my website at www.myFineWoodWork.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wongo View Post
    Too right.

    It is why I don't turn pens. I hate to offend other pen turners.
    Hah
    You don't have a lathe
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    Personally I'm thrilled when someone copies any of my projects, in fact all my projects for forums are accompanied by a photo-shoot showing exactly HOW I made the item.
    Here is an example in a zip file.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrysin View Post
    Personally I'm thrilled when someone copies any of my projects, in fact all my projects for forums are accompanied by a photo-shoot showing exactly HOW I made the item.
    Here is an example in a zip file.
    Yep, that's what these forums are for.
    Share and share alike.
    No copying allowed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrysin View Post
    Personally I'm thrilled when someone copies any of my projects, in fact all my projects for forums are accompanied by a photo-shoot showing exactly HOW I made the item.
    Here is an example in a zip file.
    Gees Harry
    You could have made a ouple of nice pens with that wood


    btw - nice box
    Last edited by Sawdust Maker; 7th October 2010 at 07:57 PM. Reason: add btw
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawdust Maker View Post
    Hah
    You don't have a lathe
    I don't like wasting money. I don't have a scrollsaw or a Triton either.
    Visit my website at www.myFineWoodWork.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wongo View Post
    I don't like wasting money. I don't have a scrollsaw or a Triton either.
    anymore
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wongo View Post
    I don't like wasting money. I don't have a scrollsaw or a Triton either.
    Didn't Triton have a penturning attachment for the Mk IV/3000 ?
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