Thread: Replies V's Views

Originally Posted by Ironwood

I am a bit curious as to the need for the critique thread..

It was requested by users

Originally Posted by Ironwood

..Has anyone observed if the one in the woodturning forum has been of benefit over there ?

Yes

I think all opinions are important D I am going to post one of my pens up and put my money were my mouth is

On the other hand I think if we need to shake things up how about another pen challenge or something like that for forum members only. I just looked at the challenge thread and the last one was 2010 now thats awhile ago. I know we have the pen swap and mystery box but I think something different is in order to get things cranking

Ian

Originally Posted by Ironwood

I made the comment over in the other thread about the disproportionate ratio of comments/replies compared to the amount of views on threads.

Although I don't make many pens, as I'm not a pen turner, I often look at pen posts as well as the general turning section.

So my comments are more in relation to the general section. If I really like a thread I'll either post a comment or add a "Like" but if I don't like it or it's only so so IMO I won't comment for I'll still appreciate the work that's gone into making it.

However if it's posted in the Critique section then I'll feel free to post my honest opinion if I dislike something.

Peter.

I think another challenge would be a good idea to spark some interest back into the forum.
It would be great to have it as a regular event.
The only downside is it requires someone to do all the organising, and also judges. I remember from the last challenge that this precluded those members from entering the challenge.
Not sure how to get around that. Any ideas anyone ?

I think you will find that the views count each time the thread is viewed not each unique user.

Some threads I read but do not comment thus adding to the view count.

Just my 2cents

Shawn

Mama always said, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"

The idea of a 'critique' thread is invite constructive criticism.

Nobody EVER learned anything from "Nice job, good pen." comments.

cri·tique (kr-tk)n.
1. A critical review or commentary, especially one dealing with works of art or literature.
2. A critical discussion of a specified topic.
3. The art of criticism.

tr.v. cri·tiqued, cri·tiqu·ing, cri·tiques Usage Problem To review or discuss critically.

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[French, from Greek kritik (tekhn), (art) of criticism, feminine of kritikos, critical; see critic.]
Usage Note: Critique has been used as a verb meaning "to review or discuss critically" since the 18th century, but lately this usage has gained much wider currency, in part because the verb criticize, once neutral between praise and censure, is now mainly used in a negative sense. But this use of critique is still regarded by many as pretentious jargon, although resistance appears to be weakening. In our 1997 ballot, 41 percent of the Usage Panel rejected the sentence As mock inquisitors grill him, top aides take notes and critique the answers with the President afterward. Ten years earlier, 69 percent disapproved of this same sentence. Resistance is still high when a person is critiqued: 60 percent of the Usage Panel rejects its use in the sentence Students are taught how to do a business plan and then are critiqued on it. Thus, it may be preferable to avoid this word. There is no exact synonym, but in most contexts one can usually substitute go over, review, or analyze. · Note, however, that critique is widely accepted as a noun in a neutral context; 86 percent of the Panel approved of its use in the sentence The committee gave the report a thorough critique and found it both informed and intelligent.

Originally Posted by Sturdee

Although I don't make many pens, as I'm not a pen turner, I often look at pen posts as well as the general turning section.

So my comments are more in relation to the general section. If I really like a thread I'll either post a comment or add a "Like" but if I don't like it or it's only so so IMO I won't comment for I'll still appreciate the work that's gone into making it.

However if it's posted in the Critique section then I'll feel free to post my honest opinion if I dislike something.

Peter.

Peter, hopefully the critique thread will encourage people to give honest opinions, as a lot of threads are just padded with the "nice work Mate" comments, and little else.

I think the high "view" count is bumped up because of the amount of "guests " ( or lurkers). I just looked at the bottom of this thread, and out of 13 viewers, only 3 are members, the rest are "guests" who are never going to contribute anything. But then again some of them could be members who haven't bothered to sign in .

Originally Posted by Ironwood

I think another challenge would be a good idea to spark some interest back into the forum.
It would be great to have it as a regular event.
The only downside is it requires someone to do all the organising, and also judges. I remember from the last challenge that this precluded those members from entering the challenge.
Not sure how to get around that. Any ideas anyone ?

Lol mate I am sure there is away around some how lol. Not sure whats involved in organising put if it's not that hard I will put my hand up as long as I can do it all though my mobile phone lol

Ian

although i have been absent for a while and currently i am just playing around with segmenting to get some enthusiasm back into something that i enjoy doing, i am always open to any comments on the pens that i create, thats why at the end of every new thread i ask for CC (Comments and Criticism), i personally feel that all CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM should be well received.

i placed the first pen making challenge to try and get people to open their minds, it was for slim kits - Reason, very cheap for everyone to have a go, if it didn't work out, then it didn't cost much, did it open minds - yes, a wooden carved feather, some segmenting and even arrows were involved. was it hard to run and organize, NUP, just need an idea and speak to the right people

would i run it again - if there was enough interest definitely, i think there should be 3 or 4 different challenges each year, spaced out of course not just thrown together

i think the slim line challenge is one that should always be for the above reasons, maybe one on segmenting, and another on casting there are many possibilities the biggest problem is working out the rules, because they need to be outright with no playroom

i hope this all makes sense

as always CC welcome

MIK

Originally Posted by Ironwood

The only downside is it requires someone to do all the organising, and also judges.

I've just come through the other side of organising the 2013 Pen Swap and to be honest, I don't think I want to do it again. I think I gained more enemies than friends. I'm not sure what it is but the organising is the easy part however it's the follow-ups and cajoling participants into holding up their end of the bargain is the hard part. Swaps, challenges and alike don't seem to work very well here.

If you want to look at something that has worked over time, look at the World of Woodturners. The comments and critique's section works really well. I also think that using 'real names' rather than usernames is part of it. I think posting a comment or critique under your real name keeps people honest.

Originally Posted by MBUMIK

would i run it again - if there was enough interest definitely, i think there should be 3 or 4 different challenges each year, spaced out of course not just thrown together

i think the slim line challenge is one that should always be for the above reasons, maybe one on segmenting, and another on casting there are many possibilities the biggest problem is working out the rules, because they need to be outright with no playroom

i hope this all makes sense

as always CC welcome

MIK

Hey mate 3 or 4 sounds good D

Ian

Originally Posted by Scott

I've just come through the other side of organising the 2013 Pen Swap and to be honest, I don't think I want to do it again. I think I gained more enemies than friends. I'm not sure what it is but the organising is the easy part however it's the follow-ups and cajoling participants into holding up their end of the bargain is the hard part. Swaps, challenges and alike don't seem to work very well here.

If you want to look at something that has worked over time, look at the World of Woodturners. The comments and critique's section works really well. I also think that using 'real names' rather than usernames is part of it. I think posting a comment or critique under your real name keeps people honest.

Mate u did a good job as far as I am concerned and my username is my name spelt backwards with 84 my year of birth lol thanks to a bloke at work Nai has now stuck and just about everyone calls me that including regular customers lol

Ian

Originally Posted by Scott

I've just come through the other side of organising the 2013 Pen Swap and to be honest, I don't think I want to do it again. I think I gained more enemies than friends. I'm not sure what it is but the organising is the easy part however it's the follow-ups and cajoling participants into holding up their end of the bargain is the hard part. Swaps, challenges and alike don't seem to work very well here.

If you want to look at something that has worked over time, look at the World of Woodturners. The comments and critique's section works really well. I also think that using 'real names' rather than usernames is part of it. I think posting a comment or critique under your real name keeps people honest.

Hey Scotty you didn't make an enemy of me and you barred me from participating, with good reason. If anybody is tell 'm to come see the old fart. I might have a punch or two left somewhere, not sure I remember where I put 'em but hey I got lumber. You did a great job and anyone who is not thankful for your efforts doesn't deserve a spot next time, just like I didn't this time and maybe forever more, I screwed up, I take my wacks.

cheers mate
undies

Somewhere in this world of compromise using the Internet often as I do viewing is brief, mostly very satisfying. For me the like symbol enables me to indicate quickly how I feel however not why sort of escapism, not enough time to fully express in any depth.

Being a product of the first third of last Century and "retired" at least since the end of it you can understand my values, experiences formed before during and after WW2 National Service then years of CMF, raising 6 kids now Wilma and I with ours number 65 ish there always seems to be a lot happening at any one time. In the 70,s for five years served simultaneously on two local Govts at the same time ran a business was on the executive of 26 organisations travelled extensively local and overseas on a shoestring I learned to make the most of everything I participated in. Paramount to me is my word using time as best I can so that using like allows me to cover more ground at my advanced age.

There is no perfect way however I do commend this forum for having a go, main contributers come and go the invitation is there for all people to view from anywhere we will never know the effect our contributions make on the silent majority.

Actively engaged for the rest of the morning now I commend the contributions that are made and look forward to the future seeking as we all do to enjoy our opportunites that membership allows.

Kind regards Peter