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15th October 2013, 07:11 PM #16SENIOR MEMBER
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15th October 2013, 08:53 PM #17GOLD MEMBER
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our storeman did the negotiations with 3M and I only spoke to the rep for a few minutes, maybe we got cheaper than the 1499 that the rep quoted me??
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15th October 2013, 09:04 PM #18SENIOR MEMBER
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Just to be clear - I like it, and I'd like one. But it's not cheap )
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15th October 2013, 10:34 PM #19
I would suggest the pricing is for different models with differing standards compliance. Looks like a very good option in any case & I particularly like the AS/NZS 1337 High Impact eye and Face protection. Its a step up from the Trend / Purelite options that I have been using for several years.
From 3M's website PPE Safety Solutions : Safety Product Catalog from 3M Australia:#3M
M-106 - Standard: AS/NZS 1716 for Respiratory Protection; AS/NZS 1337 High Impact eye and Face protection
M-306 - Standard: AS/NZS 1716 for Respiratory Protection; AS/NZS 1337 High Impact eye and Face protection; AS/NZS 1801 Type1 Industrial safety Helmet
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15th October 2013, 11:35 PM #20
Yebbut innit just a piece of Polycarb in a flame resistant shroud with some air pipes??
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16th October 2013, 06:49 PM #21GOLD MEMBER
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16th October 2013, 07:50 PM #22SENIOR MEMBER
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Tell them you need to clean it weekly, and don't want to waste company time on that, so you're prepared to do it over the weekends on your own time
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16th October 2013, 10:27 PM #23GOLD MEMBER
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17th October 2013, 10:42 AM #24
For me most of this sort of gear is expensive. But the real bug bear is that most if not all have some degree of impact resistance buts not very high given the weight of Oz hardwoods and the potential impact at speed. I agree with Brendan, much of it seems over priced, it may well reflect the small market to some extent, otherwise its 'what the traffic will bear' type of thing.
So for me I have cultivated the habit of keeping out of the way as much as possible. I like Neil's idea of a home build as I have access to a fair amount of poly-carbonate and couple it to the PAFtec.
Currently its a respirator, 2hp DC, and a bloody great big fanInspiration exists, but it has to find you working. — Pablo Picasso
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17th October 2013, 11:25 AM #25.
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I'm up for DIY, perhaps more that most, but for PPE, especially something like a face shield, I would think very carefully before departing from a commercial product. Any DIY manipulation of polycarbonate into a 3D shield is likely to make it brittle so it is most unlikely that it will be as strong as a shield such as those from say Armadillo. The commercial shields are molded, stress relieved, and tested to standards and levels using gear that DIY just don't have access. My TS guard (which I don't think of it as a guard but more of a dust hood) is made out of polycarbonate heated and bent into a trapezoidal box. When it accidentally dropped onto the spinning TS blade it shattered at the corners where it had been heated and bent. I replaced the shattered guard with a thinner piece of PC that had been cold bent and that has held up pretty well even though it has several nicks and one 50 mm cut, and a chip out of the corner.
As someone who's done lots of dust testing (and has recently developed asthma) I still think that throwing $100's of 1000's at face filters before a decent DC system is installed is the wrong way around. I can work at my lathe with big chips flying all over the place but the fine dust meter shows that the concentration at my head level is the same as the natural background dust levels outside my shed. No mask, no fans to spread the fine dust around, just a 3HP DC with a bell mouth hood about 100 mm from the back of the work. OK, I do mainly small spindle work and its not going to be as effective for those of you that turn big stuff but for folks turning small stuff especially pens this method is definitely the way to go. FWIW I do have a Triton full face mask and do use it but only about 3/4 times are year. It's also very useful for wasp nest cleanup
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18th October 2013, 12:16 AM #26
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Any DIY manipulation of polycarbonate into a 3D shield is likely to make it brittle so it is most unlikely that it will be as strong as a shield such as those from say Armadillo. The commercial shields are molded, stress relieved, and tested to standards and levels using gear that DIY just don't have access.Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working. — Pablo Picasso
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18th October 2013, 11:29 AM #27.
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19th October 2013, 09:34 AM #28
Home made breathing devices
Gents
I used on evaporative Airconditioner, fashioned a collecter from the lid of a rubbish bin, which then directs the cool, moist air into three lengths of 50mm pool hose into a spray painters hood with an impact resistant visor. I use the scientific method of testing for inhaled dust (Jarrah) after a 3-4 hour session whenI blow my nose, all green (I think that is good, disgusting, but good).
Have used this system now for a bout 5 years, cost me $50.
In summer, I remove the russbish bin lid collector which is held in place by two bungy cord, and the workshop is air conditioned as well.
Has been described as a MacGyver arrangement, but works for me
Happy Days
Willy
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