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    Default Critique pictures. Read 1st post

    This only applies to Woodturning pics.


    BE WARNED !!!. Pictures posted in here are put here for CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.

    They must be the works of the person posting.

    If you can't handle the heat stay out of the kitchen.

    Any DEROGATORY or FRIVOLOUS post will be EDITED OR DELETED as may be the case.

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    do the same in all the woodworking sections , they all need it.
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    Default My first turned bowl

    Ok I'll face the masses of more learned/skilled/opinionated turners. This is my first attempt at a bowl on the lathe. Please note at the time I only had a faceplate, thus the blocky appearance. It is a Coolibah Burl bowl, now resident in the Stepsons cave

    I intend to do more bowls as I picked up a chuck from Lumber Bunker a few weeks ago, but ran out of raw material

    So please be brutally honest, I know there are tool marks, catches & sanding marks. Talking about sanding it's sanded to 1000, then Triple E and St#tHot wax.
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    Default banksia box - jap style

    Ok cool thanks , everyone please feel free to shoot away on this one, i can take it, bring me down boys, i deserve it...!! whip me beat me call my turning trash...hahahha...

    oops back the box.

    Its a 3 piece lidded and curved jap style box in banksia with banksia pod lid insert and knob, the finsih is organiol, white shellac, EEE wax and shellawax polish...in that order

    ..just to get in a coupla of quick criticisms meself...

    -the top was not grain aligned when i took the pics but it does align, kind of
    -the banksia pod bit is too bulbous, if it were flatter the knob wood standout more and the box wood look cooler
    -the finish needs to be more even, its bit patchy but i find banksia a bit bitchy to finish,,,
    -a small darker wood insert at the join might look stronger better...

    ok go for it guys,,,do yr worst!!!!! be harsh...
    any praise will be frowned upon...
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    Like it a lot John. (Sorry )

    Great form, nice texture contrasts, warm tones, good finish.

    Your turning has been coming along in leaps and bounds.

    [Edit, but looks like you have to transfer this to a new thread, inviting flaggelation since it seems that's what you're keen on ;-} ..]
    Cheers, Ern

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat View Post
    Ok I'll face the masses of more learned/skilled/opinionated turners. This is my first attempt at a bowl on the lathe. Please note at the time I only had a faceplate, thus the blocky appearance. It is a Coolibah Burl bowl, now resident in the Stepsons cave

    I intend to do more bowls as I picked up a chuck from Lumber Bunker a few weeks ago, but ran out of raw material

    So please be brutally honest, I know there are tool marks, catches & sanding marks. Talking about sanding it's sanded to 1000, then Triple E and St#tHot wax.
    Hi Pat, OK, I guess it's time to put my money where my big mouth is mate. Now please, this is me trying to be encouraging.... OK?
    1; you say this is a bowl but you seem to have turned a rebate for a lid.
    2; a bowl has shape and while I accept that a cylinder is a shape it really doesn't have a great aesthetic appeal.
    3; As bowls go it won't be easy to tip over but this one looks like it could become permanently rooted to the table top.
    4; As design goes for a turned form I was taught that regardless of the material used the form should be good. In other words if you had turned that 'bowl' from a block of playdoh the form should still have been interesting.

    I suggest that you get hold of Richard Raffans book "Turned Bowl Design" as it will be of great help to you at this stage. Don't fuss about the catches and scratches at this stage because the best way to get rid of them is just plain practice, practice....

    OK, 'nuff from me at this stage I hope my small suggestions help you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reeves View Post
    Ok cool thanks , everyone please feel free to shoot away on this one, i can take it, bring me down boys, i deserve it...!! whip me beat me call my turning trash...hahahha...

    oops back the box.

    Its a 3 piece lidded and curved jap style box in banksia with banksia pod lid insert and knob, the finsih is organiol, white shellac, EEE wax and shellawax polish...in that order

    ..just to get in a coupla of quick criticisms meself...

    -the top was not grain aligned when i took the pics but it does align, kind of
    -the banksia pod bit is too bulbous, if it were flatter the knob wood standout more and the box wood look cooler
    -the finish needs to be more even, its bit patchy but i find banksia a bit bitchy to finish,,,
    -a small darker wood insert at the join might look stronger better...

    ok go for it guys,,,do yr worst!!!!! be harsh...
    any praise will be frowned upon...
    I would like to say that in my opinion the piece is a total design failure as a coffee mug!
    Seriously, the fact that you accept that it isn't perfect, that you feel you know what is wrong shows that the best critic is yourself.... the piece isn't too bad at all really. Not "show quality" but certainly a damned long way from firewood!

    The only thing I would suggest is that you sort out the finishing... I wouldn't use Organoil as it may "float" the Shellawax off and give you a blotchy finish in time. The Shellac step should be given a miss too, ideally, as after using your EEE to get the desired surface finish you then need to burnish the Shellawax into the surface. If you seal the suface you cannot get that Shellawax to head in...
    OK, end of 'critique'. I hope I have been of some help.

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    Onya Pat!

    Christopha, good to see you put up rather than shut up.

    Agree that Turned Bowl Design is an essential source for turners looking to do their best with bowls. AFAIK it's out of print though.

    Anyone desperate to read it, PM me.
    Last edited by RETIRED; 29th September 2007 at 10:40 PM. Reason: Only nuked part of it.:)
    Cheers, Ern

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    Pics of my work.... embarrassment! At the moment my lathes, my bandsaw, my buzzer, table saw and all of my timber still reside at what is now the Ex's house so my current turning efforts are zero and will probably stay that way until settlement and then the time it will take to build a new shed here at my beach house.... Photos of past work? I only got a digital relatively recently and apart from some few very small bits and pieces all of my work was sold, thats what professional turners do, they sell their work.
    I am absolutely hanging out to get back to my turning as I love it and miss it.... Anyway, as soon as possible I shall be turning and then I shall post some of my efforts for your critiques! OK?

    By the way, "Turned Bowl Design" may still be available through the library system.

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    Chris, son of all evil. I agree with your critique. I have NFI what I was doing. I will be developing my basic bowl turning skills in the future, as soon as I purchase some more blanks. (One day I'll get a bandsaw). The rebate was to hide a few big catches. If I was confident to turn a lid I would, maybe later.
    I christened the piece "the Block" for good reason. Since I have got the chuck I can further my skills and will post here for further critique. I'll look for " Turned Bowl Design" in my local library & the web.

    All in all it is a positive as I have found another learning resouce to obtain
    Pat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat View Post
    I'll look for " Turned Bowl Design" in my local library & the web.

    All in all it is a positive as I have found another learning resource to obtain
    yes i am finding a few books really helps and the older 2nd hand ones are much lower cost than new ones..

    I use the

    http://www.abebooks.com

    site a lot and havent yet found a book i cant get. It will give you a listing of shops around the world that are carrying the book or author you have searched for. Australian shops will have cheaper shipping so its good to suss one out close but if the book is available only overseas then shipping may cost more than the book..

    A quick search for Richard Raffan yields over 230 results with the turned bowl design book available from a shop in Ireland for 16 bucks USD and one in the UK for 25 bucks USD.

    http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sear...=11&prevpage=1

    there are several copies of his other books avialable as well. I have the older turning projects and the newer big masterbook on woodturning in general, the illlustrated guide to turning, all very good value and very proffessionaly done.

    have fun..

    cheeeeeeers
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    Pat, I'll admit that the comments made have been IMHO accurate and should be educational for you. However having said that I should point out that my first bowl was absolutely atrocious I however made the mistake of getting rid of it, I should have kept it for comparison.

    I have many of my early turnings and it can be quite heartening to look at them and realise that my latest failure is still an improvement on my beginnings. The other thing I like to do is to look at things I have stuffed up in the past and think of ways they could have been improved.

    It seems to me that turning is one of those things that on an individual level continues to and should always be progressing and developing both in style and technique. (This I think is probably true for turning as a craft/art/profession generally)

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    Like it a lot John. (Sorry )
    Quote Originally Posted by rsser View Post

    Great form, nice texture contrasts, warm tones, good finish.
    What he said

    Having said all that I do agree with , if you put a pic on the forum expect criticism but take it in the way it is meant, constructively.
    There's no such thing as gravity, the world sux!!

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    John, thanks for the links, I was just about to get the book thru Amazon for a lot more but will troll thru Abe and get it chaeper.

    Wayne, thanks for your kind words. I haven't been turning long as my MBGitW's best friend had an elcheapo lathe and "loaned" it to me. The Block is the base line and I can only improve from here

    (PS I have met Chris at the WW shows and he is not the roughnut he portrays himself as, no apologies to Chris)
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    yes i am finding a few books really helps and the older 2nd hand ones are much lower cost than new ones..

    I use the

    http://www.abebooks.com
    Addall is the best book resource on the web, it search abebooks, amazon , alibris, biblio etc for you.

    http://used.addall.com/SuperRare/RefineRare.fcgi?id=070929065127808400
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopha View Post
    I suggest that you get hold of Richard Raffans book "Turned Bowl Design" as it will be of great help to you at this stage.
    G'day Pat
    I found a copy of Raffans "Turned Bowl Design" on EBay, I also save pictures of any bowls I like on my computer then print them out. It's amazing how much inspiration you can get from other forum members.
    Also check out this site... http://www.thedanielcollection.com/.

    Cheers
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