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22nd February 2010, 10:50 AM #1
Question for Woodwould- Barley twist bines.
I have been reading you Blog. A Pair of Walnut Carolean Stools Pegs and 'Tails
Lots of good info and entertaining reading.
How the hell did you turn these? We will have to get you to one of our Turnfests to wow and amaze us.
You blithely say "With a turning gouge in hand, the lathe was started at a slow speed and the gouge introduced to the start of the thread. One has to be confident and determined when turning bines as there are obviously no second chances." Exactly which slow speed and which gouge? 100ishRPM? Spindle gouge?
Maybe I will have a go with some pine. The results might be a little on the hilarious side. I don't know if my lathe would go slow enough. May one of 's will. They have probably never been that slow.
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22nd February 2010, 11:02 AM #2
I set the lathe at the slowest speed (perhaps 150 RPM; I don't have the old lathe any more) and used a spindle gouge. The idea is just to get a bine started which can then be worked on and improved with subsequent passes. Even at the slow speed involved, you have to be prepared to move along sideways at a fairy rapid rate which is not initially intuitive. However, once the bine is established, it's surprisingly easy to follow and refine it.
Give it a go, it will bring a smile to your face!.
I know you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I'm not sure you realize that what you just read is not what I meant.
Regards, Woodwould.
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22nd February 2010, 11:04 AM #3
I will.
anne-maria.
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22nd February 2010, 04:35 PM #4
What's a "bine"? Aw c'mon, those are turned freehand? I gotta try that too. Bet it will indeed be amusing.
Richard in Wimberley
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22nd February 2010, 05:44 PM #5.
I know you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I'm not sure you realize that what you just read is not what I meant.
Regards, Woodwould.
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22nd February 2010, 06:02 PM #6.
I know you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I'm not sure you realize that what you just read is not what I meant.
Regards, Woodwould.
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22nd February 2010, 06:04 PM #7
Well my lathe only goes down to 600RPM. A bit too fast. Very hiarious results, but I can see that it might be possible. Even at that speed the chisel starts to go in its own thread. I think a speed where you can see the pencil marks going around would be the go. Will have to try it at 's.
You might still have to come and show us Woodwould.anne-maria.
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22nd February 2010, 06:11 PM #8.
I know you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I'm not sure you realize that what you just read is not what I meant.
Regards, Woodwould.
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22nd February 2010, 06:21 PM #9
TL there are many ways these are done here's one File:Spiral turning lathe (Carpentry and Joinery, 1925).jpg - Wikimedia Commons
A Jacobean Lathe is another
get a hold of this book by Mortimer [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Techniques-Spiral-Work-Practical-Making/dp/0854420630#reader_0854420630]Amazon.com: Techniques of Spiral Work: A Practical Guide to the Craft of Making Twists by Hand (9780854420636): Stuart Mortimer, Andrew Mortimer: Books[/ame]
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22nd February 2010, 08:25 PM #10
approx $95 US
cheap
TL
did you use a gouge or a skew?
PS: I read somewhere that if you do the pencil line, then lightly cut that line with a saw, it is easier to get started with the chisel
can't say if it works as I've not had a goLast edited by Sawdust Maker; 22nd February 2010 at 08:28 PM. Reason: add PS
regards
Nick
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22nd February 2010, 09:44 PM #11
My lathe only goes down to 350 so I will have to wait untill I have invested in a VS setup.
I do have a plan to start it on the tablesaw and finish on the lathe with rasp and sandpaper. Just need a project that needs a jackobean twists.
Regards
John
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22nd February 2010, 10:48 PM #12anne-maria.
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22nd February 2010, 10:49 PM #13anne-maria.
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23rd February 2010, 08:37 AM #14
An American colleague does them by marking a helix on a cylinder using masking tape, then making a saw cut of uniform depth, and finally carving the bine. He probably uses this method as he is mainly a carver, but it seems to work for him.
WW, friends have a table with barleycorn twist legs. Three of the legs have right hand threads, one has left hand. They all seem to be original legs as far as I can tell. What was the convention? All twisting one way, two each way or didn't they worry?
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23rd February 2010, 09:50 AM #15
Historically, 'barley twist' legs appeared briefly in joyned Oak stools and side tables around 1660 and fell from favour again around 1725. Traditionally, the bines spin clockwise - right-handed, which operation falls naturally to a right-handed turner (Chinnery illustrates an anti-clockwise-legged stool and I've only ever seen one example in the flesh – undoubtedly the work of left-handed turners).
Victorians rediscovered barley twists, and with their propensity to 'improve' everything, often balanced right-handed bines with an equal number of left-handed ones (a bit difficult with a three-legged table, I admit!). Those turnings with left-hand bines were machine made – any hand-made Victorian barley-twists I've seen were all right-handed.
I've seen re-finished and distressed Victorian Oak joyned stools in junk shops with right-hand and left-hand twist legs being sold as 17th century stools. The alternate twists were a bit of a giveaway (see image)..
I know you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I'm not sure you realize that what you just read is not what I meant.
Regards, Woodwould.
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