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16th July 2018, 03:27 PM #1Novice
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Turning tools Help Please
Hi, Newbie Alert I`m just getting into turning and have some old Bevel HSS chisels that are not holding an edge very well. I`m using the Vicmarc sharpening system with Aluminium wheels, soon to be 180GRT CBN. I like turning bowls and boxes, my question is should I go for a set or individual tools and what brand. And is a 180GRT CBN wheel sufficient or should I get a 240 also. Thankyou
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16th July 2018, 08:49 PM #2GOLD MEMBER
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Aluminium oxide wheels will put a very acceptable edge on your tools, don't bother going for cbn ones yet.
If your new to it, it just takes practice and seeing how a good grind works by some one who knows. Otherwise your just stabbing in the dark chaos of the unknown.
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16th July 2018, 11:35 PM #3
+1 on Artful's comments.
Also, I'm a strong advocate of buying one good tool at a time. Get to know it before you buy the next one. You'll be more informed by then.
Given the turning you are intending to do, start with a good bowl gouge and a scraper after that.
You can't go far wrong with most of the well known dedicated woodturning tool makers.
Sent from my ZTE T84 using TapatalkStay sharp and stay safe!
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17th July 2018, 11:55 AM #4Novice
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Thanks for the advice guys, I thought CbN might be a little bit less messy and no regular dressing, but they are not cheap so maybe I`ll stick to the Oxide for now. As for good tools, r Hamlet ok or should I look at some higher price bracket. Thanks Again.
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17th July 2018, 12:58 PM #5
This one would be a good starting tool for bowls...
Hamlet M42 Stay Sharp HSS Tool Range
I've not used Hamlet myself, but some of the experienced turners on the forum have and they might like to comment on its performance.
I have used M42 steel from other makers and I found that it takes a sharper edge than most other HSS.Stay sharp and stay safe!
Neil
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17th July 2018, 08:14 PM #6GOLD MEMBER
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On my second Hamlet parting tool in the last 2 years and they seem satisfactory. I prefer the P&N ones as they are slightly narrower BUT they dont make em any more...boohoohoo.
Robert Sorby's chisels seem quite good too. Just beware of buying older second hand chisels that are not made from HSS (high speed steel) or new Chinese ones that claim to be HSS but seem to be "Hot Sauteed Slag".
Also with the Aluninium oxide wheels, the white (coloured) ones are the go. Just saying this cause there are some that are not and they are not as good in mho.
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17th July 2018, 11:45 PM #7Novice
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Thanks for the link Neil, I shall check them out.
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17th July 2018, 11:51 PM #8Novice
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Hi Artbgr,My wheels are the white type, came with the Vicmarc slow speed grinder, but an evening of sharpening and slipping off the wheel now and then is turning my gaze back to a 40mm CBN.!! I see now the new Vicmarc grinder comes with a CBN wheel, which does make me cry!
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18th July 2018, 05:05 AM #9GOLD MEMBER
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Make your own tools. I had the same problem as i didn't want to spend the money on a decent set of chisels. I had bought a small set of Gary Pye chisels but soon found i was needing to sharpen regularly or more than i would like to so made these carbide tipped puppies. in the pics tools left to right detail, roughing, shaper. Hand polished 12mm sq stainless.
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18th July 2018, 10:19 AM #10Novice
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Very nice Fumbler, have considered trying out the carbide tools, but thought I would try to get the basics down pat with the traditional chisels first. They r still high on the to purchase list when the boss aint looking along with everything else!!
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18th July 2018, 11:49 AM #11
Nice looking shafts and handles, Fumbler.
My only comment on the carbides is that they are primarily used as a scraping tool. I recommend that new turners start with traditional 'cutting' tools and once they have mastered those they add the carbides to their tool rack if they then feel the need for them.
The carbides do have their uses (I have one in my tool rack), but I don't know any highly experienced turners who use them as their go-to tools for most of their turning. That should tell new turners something!Stay sharp and stay safe!
Neil
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18th July 2018, 01:29 PM #12Senior Member
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Once you have bought decent bowl and spindle gouges you can make most of the flat tools yourself.
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19th July 2018, 11:43 AM #15
You say that you 'like turning bowls and boxes' so I assume that you have some experience...
For value-for-money I heartily recommend buying the tools un-handled. They're generally somewhere around 25% cheaper.
Although P&N are discontinued, they're still in stock in most wholesalers I know. I think. (Haven't actively gone looking... but although they've taken them off their on-line listings I know I've seen them on physical shelves.)
Your current tools should be enough to turn your own handles or, if you're a tad eccentric like some of us, you can use the unhandled tools to turn their own handles!
My suggestions would be a bowl gouge, a gently radiused scraper and a good parting tool. The parting tool can also be used as a square-nosed scraper in a pinch. (Unless it's the very thin, knife-blade style... which I do NOT recommend for a novice.)
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