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15th January 2012, 07:09 PM #31GOLD MEMBER
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When I did my apprenticeship, some 40 years ago, we most definitely had to learn to sharpen freehand. This training was undertaken very early in the first year, which, I guess, means we learnt to sharpen before we learnt to turn. There were quite a few apprentices in each year, so it was easy to compare your skills against each other. Some never really mastered the art, while others picked it up quite quickly. This method of sharpening is very much an aquired skill improved over time. The term "spark grinder" seems somewhat derogatory for a tool that, over many years, has prooved to be most useful in the right hands. A variable speed grinder with the right wheel and a good operator is hard to beat when you start comparing prices.
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15th January 2012, 09:38 PM #32Skwair2rownd
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Interesting that no one has really pointed out that many who take up woodturning do so later in life and are most definitely NOT from a trade background.Sharpening wil be a real challenge for them.
I have a friend who sharpens his gouges freehand in a particular way - a way I wish I could emulate. I find tools aharpened this way cut better for me, but as I am unable to sharpen like this I just use a Trugrind type jig and I can do a pretty reasonable job with tools so sharpened.
It is hardly fair to criticise those who find sharpening difficult without a jig. We all just want to turn. To do that we need sharp tools. If this requires a jig, then amen to that.
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15th January 2012, 10:44 PM #33Junior Senior Member
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I seem to recall that the guy originally had a question about buying a tormek (all the to & fro was getting a bit much, I nearly forgot his question!).
If you have gotton to this point in the post and are still after a wet grinder, here is a link to a German made one. Hope it helps
http://www.busybeetools.com/products...BENCH-CSA.html
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15th January 2012, 10:45 PM #34China
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If you read my posts again you will notice that I am not intending to denegrate any person who wishes to use fancy machines, jigs, lots of of wet & dry or whatever. I just meant to point out that the same result can be achieved without huge expense and complicated equipment. Sorry Jeff I decline your offer of a challenge, I know what I am capable of and have no need to prove same
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15th January 2012, 11:50 PM #35
Exactly how have I bagged the T, Jeff. Apart from saying they were expensive (I would've thought this was just stating the obvious) I'm not sure what I have said to denegrade them. In fact I did say I thought they did a good job. The original post was asking about Tormeks and I was simply suggesting there were alternatives that were much cheaper; not better. I, at no stage, wanted to create or feel I have contributed to the creation of a Tormek v Sparky divide amongst forum members. If you are happy with your T then I have no problems and if anyone else wants to buy one then go ahead, I wont lose sleep over it. I'm sure you will be very happy with your purchase.
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15th January 2012, 11:58 PM #36
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16th January 2012, 12:51 AM #37SENIOR MEMBER
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Hi don't forget the standard U,S voltage is 110 so you would need a step down tranfromer to use it.
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16th January 2012, 08:24 AM #38Junior Senior Member
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16th January 2012, 09:02 AM #39
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16th January 2012, 09:10 AM #40
Not directed at anyone in particular just trying to get the point across that there was getting to be too much tooing and froing and creating a divide which there should not be.
I also liked the Poo Poo part, have not heard that in a long time.
One point I forgot to mention is that when new turners are taught to sharpen their tools that the person teaching them should be conversant with all types of sharpening from free hand to the wet stone style and then it is up to the newcomer to decide which way works best for them.
I hear all too often my mate reckons this is the best way to do something when he has not been given any other alternatives.
As artme indicated most of the newcomers come into woodturning at a later stage in their life and a lot do not have the required hand skills to go free hand so jigs are the best way to go. We see a lot of freehand grinding and it is not a pretty sight.Jim Carroll
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16th January 2012, 09:42 AM #41
Well said Jim.
I also liked Artme's comments which exactly reflects my position.
Turning is a new venture for me during the last few years and no trade background, no 40 years of practice etc, etc,
I want to turn now while I still can, life is short, if I was younger I would probably spend more time looking at mastering the sparky freehand.
We are not all professional turners and some like me come here for help and generally get balanced information.
Cost is not always the only consideration."The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot.. it can't be done.
If you deal with the lowest bidder it is well to add something for the risk you run.
And if you do that, you will have enough to pay for something better"
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16th January 2012, 10:38 AM #42Retired
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I forgot to mention the deal Tormek Aust. had going before Xmas. For around $850, you got a T7, plus the promise of 3 new grey wheels as and when you used them. At over $300 a pop just for the wheels, the deal was too good to pass up.
Didn't hear about it? Get onto Jim Carroll's mailing list!
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16th January 2012, 10:51 AM #43Junior Senior Member
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16th January 2012, 01:59 PM #44
I noted that Dez wanted the T7 to sharpen all of his tools. Although posted on the turning forum, I assumed that it was not just for turning tools.
If I had a swag of non-HSS blades that I needed to regularly sharpen for non-turning use, I would definitely consider a wet grinder of some sort, but not just for my turning tools.
Any ease, or consistency, of use provided by the T system is equally provided by other jig systems for the bench grinder.
I sharpened my turning tools by freehand until good jigs became more readily available. For the last ten years I have used jigs wherever possible. For me they are quicker.
My 8" diamond wheel does a very nice job on all of my turning tools, including my little 6mm detail gouge. The diamond wheel was the best spent $s so far for me on turning tool sharpening. Currently giving an 8" CBN wheel a test run on the other end of the grinder... too early for a verdict on that.Stay sharp and stay safe!
Neil
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16th January 2012, 02:08 PM #45Hewer of wood
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Written before Neil's post:
Too much of this 'debate' has been about the means and not the quality of the edge. Fitness for purpose is the goal.
I'm a fan of honing the edge where I want a good finish off the tool and I do this by hand. The applications where that pays dividends are in spindle turning with a skew, spindle or detail gouge; and in refining a bowl outside with a bowl or spindle gouge. NeilS has demonstrated clearly that it's of value with a scraper on a bowl too, and I sometimes burnish a hook for this purpose as well as for spindle pieces.
All the other turning I do is basically hacking and the edge quality doesn't matter that much. Regular touching up on any kind of wheel, using an aftermarket platform and freehand, does the job; inc. for fingernail grinds (just a matter of practice and not hard at all). Cheap and quick.
I teach my students to shape and hone a tool edge and offer a range of ways to do do; a Tormek is usually outside their reach and is unnecessary, so having owned one to evaluate for my own purposes I've ditched it.
I regard the whole setup as a naked emperor; the jigs are worth a look but there are others on the market.Cheers, Ern
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