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17th September 2014, 07:41 AM #1
How many turners wear Face Shields?
After viewing the great photos of DUTA I noticed what I usually see in albums of event photos world wide so it is a universal trait - the scarcity of Face Shields and eye / face protection.
Given that there are very good comfortable & practical Face Shields like the Armadillo available for less than $40 in Australia, and other options like the Bionic - it is not common to see them used at DUTA & similar events or indeed in club workshops. When we see the common & typical mishaps, like the cracked bowl in Robert Brown's photos of DUTA, that create a flying object of a few ounces (for the oldies) or 50-60g or more there is a lot of reassurance in wearing PPE / face shields to protect from minor to serious eye injuries. A quality face shield with brow protection & a good harness will also offer substantial protection or at least mitigate the severity of injuries from larger impacts like a small bowl going AWOL from a chuck.
Face shields are actually a high order engineered solution to protect from very common eye / face injuries as they intervene in the path between the almost continuous flying object / particles we create while hand turning and the eye / face.
In a "workplace" employers & workers would be cautioned & liable for fines for breaches of legislation for "workers" not wearing compliant PPE in similar "work" environments, however as hobbyists we have a greater motive - self preservation. No turner likes to be injured & away from the workshop / lathe.
I often wonder,
Why there is so much resistance to wearing face shields?
Is it because many turners perceive that,
There is little risk of injury?
The frequency (chance) of injuries is low? & the severity of potential injuries is minor?
Lower quality face shields (splash guards) offer little protection - so why bother to wear them?
They are impractical / cumbersome to wear? Interfere with conversations?
Other limitations like fogging, static holding dust to the shield make them impractical? Weight on the head?
Optical clarity - distortion to vision, scratches etc?
Its "dorky" wearing one?
How many turners,
Use no eye/face protection at all? Sometimes? Often? All the time?
Rely on prescription spectacles only? (very minimal protection from direct impacts only - generally spectacles do not meet AS1337 / Z87)
Approved safety spectacles or goggles / over goggles to AS1337 / Z87? (good protection for eyes, not so good for face)
Use a flimsy "splash guard" style face shield? (worthwhile protection for light duty turnings, pens & small spindle projects only)
A more robust face shield that meets medium or high impact ratings to AS1337 / Z87?
Other higher protection - like riot shields etc?
Of course the choice of Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) including eye / face protection is or should be related to the mass, size & condition of turning blanks and complexity of the turning project, and potential for things to go wrong BUT how often do we consider the benefits of PPE?
I would greatly value all opinions on this matter even if people wish to PM me instead of making a public comment.
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17th September 2014, 09:28 AM #2Senior Member
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I use a high-impact rated faceshield that has a chin guard. I've always worn a faceshield, even when pen turning.
I've only ever had one formal lesson on using the lathe, from the woodwork teacher at work. But before he took me through the basics of turning, he made me sit an online lathe safety course, which amongst other things emphasised the necessity for eye and face protection. I guess that has stuck with me. I value my eyesight more than I value looking cool (not that anyone ever sees me turn).
Actually, that is the real reason I use a full faceshield; I turn alone, often with no-one else around in the house or property. If anything were to come off the lathe and hit me, I'm not likely to have anyone around to help me. So anything that minimises injury and increases the chances of me helping myself is a good thing to be using.
Cheers, Mike
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17th September 2014, 09:41 AM #3.
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Mobyturns, this would make a good topic for a Poll. That way you won't have to trawl the threads to get the data.
FWIW, I wear an Armadillo for wood and metal turning.
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17th September 2014, 10:04 AM #4
Personally I believe that every turner should be wearing a full face shield.
Before I started in wood turning I was not sure I wanted to take up wood turning. The face shield that I purchase could be considered as cheap in price. I used it for quite a while and found that it was not giving me protection of shavings coming under the shield. To compensate for this I found that I was tilting my head forward which would mean the top of my head would be exposed.
I have swapped to using a fuller face shield that covers the neck and comes under the chin, the Armadillo is the one that I have.
I have kept the original face shield as a secondary to be used when someone is instructing a new turner. Like just the other day I had a friend in the garage doing some turning, he wore the Armadillo and I was wearing the original. I was not doing any turning just watching over him.
Now I might be digressing a little bit but I think it is relevant.
On Sunday I attended my wood turning meeting and one of our members had a cut and some bruising under his eye. The roughing spindle gouge had broken at the tang and flew back which struck him on the face. He confirmed that from now on he will be wearing his face shield at the lathe.
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17th September 2014, 10:10 AM #5
I need to wear prescription glasses now as my vision is secombing to "old age". All through my time in the trade using power tools and machinery of all kinds, I find that I "need" to look at the cutting tool to make accurate cuts. Growing up in an era where PPE was not compulsory I just never got into the habit of using PPE. Now, as I said, I need to where glasses to see up close I find a full face shield is not comfortable for me to see clearly enough to work. (Thankfully) As yet I haven't had many unwanted smacks in the face from what I am working on. Sanding can be a little annoying with the fine dust wanting to get on the glasses. I also have Tinnitus and so wearing ear muffs is really annoying between tasks when you turn a tool/machine off, the quietness is what I don't like and have to have the radio on as back ground noise.
Just do it!
Kind regards Rod
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17th September 2014, 10:16 AM #6
These days the majority of my turning is just pens. I dont use a face shield only safety glasses. I do have an Armadillo shield hanging near the lathe ready for bigger jobs.
Many years ago a face shield saved me from a potentially serious injury. A bowl that I was turning, exploded and I copped the full force of about 1/4 of it into the faceshield, the force of it gave me a sore nose, lucky I had the shield on, it was a "Protector Safety" shield, rather flimsy compared to an Armadillo, but still saved me.
That day I vowed to always wear one for lathe work. I have relaxed for pen turning, but not for anything larger.Brad.
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17th September 2014, 10:32 AM #7Senior Member
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i dont turn without one i have one close call when i first started turning. Ever since then dont start my lathe with out one on
i use the Bionic
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17th September 2014, 10:51 AM #8
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17th September 2014, 11:11 AM #9
I use both 3m safety glasses and a UVEX face shield for wood turning. The UVEX is nice because they also make a #5 filter that can be used for oxy acetylene torch work.
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17th September 2014, 11:42 AM #10
I use an Airshield pro.
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17th September 2014, 12:40 PM #11Senior Member
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Thankyou for starting this thread.
I've been slack about wearing ppe in the past.
A couple of close calls and reading about Lynne Yamaguchi's accident have changed my thinking.
http://www.lynneyamaguchi.com/wordpr...8/an-accident/
It's not just beginners who have accidents.
Standing out of the line of fire is no defence for not wearing a faceshield.
Even a small chip in the eye can cause majar damage.
Faceshields are cheap so why risk it?
Steve.
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17th September 2014, 01:09 PM #12
Most of the time.
I wear a cheap face shield except when I have forgotten to buy a replacement lens when the used one gets too scratched or covered with superglue to see through. My spectacles are bullet proof.
I've been hurt only once, and since then, my cheapie shield has saved me from hurt more than a few times.
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17th September 2014, 01:48 PM #13GOLD MEMBER
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Moby, i have found a lot of limitations with face shields for my individual situation. I run a 600mm fan beside the lathe and found the wind from it used to blow debris behind the shield into my glasses and there was always static buildup on the shield. I did notice distortion with some of the models. I found that foam lined Uvex goggles with my dust masks suited me better and I have almost eliminated the fogging of my glasses on our very humid days. But in saying that, for any work on my spark grinders, linishing belts or especially with the wire buffing wheels I use a safety cap with a face shield from my chainsaw. I personally have found this is more comfortable for my boofhead than the faceshields you mentioned. It has a lambswool liner and the harness rubs less on my bald scone.
Never say never, but with the variable speed on my lathe and careful attention to where I stand and listening to what the wood and tools are telling me, I hope this keeps me out of real harms way. Just my $0.20 worth.
rgds,
Crocy.
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17th September 2014, 01:49 PM #14Member
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I use a Helmet with built in ear protection and face screen,sold by Husqvarna. Its designed for chainsaw work. Im always wearing a mask and hearing protection anyway and the tip up face shield works for me. Somebody asked me if the screen bothers me, its like watching a sporting event through a chain link fence,just concentrate on the players.
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17th September 2014, 04:23 PM #15Senior Member
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When I am turning pens or other small spindles, I wear only prescription safety glasses. When I turn anything bigger, I wear Armadillo (in addition to safety prescription glasses), very comfortable, thanks nz_carver for putting me onto this faceshield.
Wait till Evanism sees this thread, he has good arguments to prove that the mask should be worn at all times near the working lathe. I was quickly convinced...
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