Thread: Doorstops? Simple? HA! :(

Originally Posted by Skew ChiDAMN!!

because he'd laid all the floor bearers down on their sides. :eek:

What?? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

No wonder the average fella thinks all tradies are bastards!!

Al :eek:

Mates & in-laws are the worst choice of tradies for your own home.

Just ask Mick... I'm sure hell agree!

Hi Skew,

I know half of stuff-all on framing, floorboarding etc, but why should that stop me?

From the height of your proposed door stop, I'd imagine that there'd be quite a lot of leverage acting on the mounting bolt.

Is it possible to gain access under the floorboards in the areas in question and mount a flat metal support so as to spread the load across, say 150x150mm, instead of a single point?

As an alternative, what about a stop that is wall mounted?

Originally Posted by Auld Bassoon

From the height of your proposed door stop, I'd imagine that there'd be quite a lot of leverage acting on the mounting bolt.

Is it possible to gain access under the floorboards in the areas in question and mount a flat metal support so as to spread the load across, say 150x150mm, instead of a single point?

My concern exactly. I was thinking of making up some large washers, but you're right; the larger the better. I'd have to make an expedition under the house to tighten the nuts anyway (I reckon I know every mud-hole under there better than I know my own face! [sigh]) and I don't want to be called back, so methinks I'll see about knocking some good sized plates up instead. In this case, overkill = a good thing.

Thanks for the nudge.

As an alternative, what about a stop that is wall mounted?

I wish it was that simple; he doesn't want the doors swinging to the walls, they'll be stopped at just past 90° open.

Originally Posted by Auld Basson

As an alternative, what about a stop that is wall mounted?

Could they each be stopped at the very top with a decorative little jobbie that doubles as a shelf for twig pots etc.?

I'd say that you've got the only solution, short of installing a door closer that holds in the open position. Why is it so important that the door doesn't swing back past perpendicular? If you mounted that door stop horizontally on the wall the way it's supposed to be installed, then I'm sure you could get the door to stop at about 135 degrees, or even less if you put it closer to the hinge. Of course the closer that you put it, the more it pushes sideways on the stop.

editAlternatelly, use one of these
http://www.safeandsecurity.com/Html/ives/images/442.jpg
http://www.safeandsecurity.com/Html/ives/images/448.jpg

Lockwood make a door stop with a triangular base that is 50mm high.If you are only 1.5inches off the flloor then that would be suitable.There is also another brand that makes a stop that also has proprietary packers for situations such as yours,but I can't think of what it is at the moment.I think the lockwoo d one is called a lockwood 250.You could also make a discrete packer to fit under it to lift it up.

Tools

Easy Skew... rip down to the local tyre place & gets a couple of 'used' ones that are gunna get chucked out, wizz over to the job, stand them up behind the door & wang a 3" roofing screw down through the tread from the inside.

Problem solved.

Tell them it is a work of art & charge them $1300.

Originally Posted by Tankstand

Could they each be stopped at the very top with a decorative little jobbie that doubles as a shelf for twig pots etc.?

Something like that might be happening with the back doors, which are glass, as I'm not a great fan of bottom-only stoppers for glass. The owner doesn't want 'em, but I'm fairly confident that the first time his li'l 'uns dash onto the back deck... SLAM! Crack! ...and I'll be getting phone-call.

Originally Posted by pawnhead

Why is it so important that the door doesn't swing back past perpendicular?

'Cos the customer wants it so.

Do you know of a supplier of those stops? Couldn't find any references to anything but safes on the rest of the site you cited. Also, they need to be gold finish (Same reason as above.) and the bottom of the rubbers at least 2" off the floor..

Originally Posted by Tools

Lockwood make a door stop with a triangular base that is 50mm high.If you are only 1.5inches off the flloor then that would be suitable.

Yes, I tried the Lockwood 250. It looked good and is a nice stop, but just scraped under. I did make a packer to go under it, but because the fasteners had to be long enough to go through the packer as well, the stop tended to "crab" sideways. Thicker screws would've fixed that, but would've meant drilling out the base of the stop, weakening that instead. I also trialed fastening the packer to the floor first and then seperately fastening the stop to the packer but all the extra holes in the packer made it prone to splitting...

Nothing's ever simple, eh? I don't get paid enough for this!

Skew,
:eek: He lay the bearers on their sides?:eek: What sort of sorry excuse for a tradesman was he? I bitch and moan sometimes about the licensing system we've got in Qld as mostly they're just a revenue raiser, but with people like that around it does raise a strong case for a stricter licensing regime.

If I was fitting an extended stop to the floor I'd be bolting through a large joist offcut, say a 150 x 150 square 50mm thick, or as others have suggested, a large steel compensating plate. I do think though that a commercial doorcloser that can be set to lock open at around 100 degrees might be a more elegant solution (and wouldn't neccesitate crawling around in the dirt )

In my experience jobs like these can be great or a nightmare, depending on the client. On some jobs they think you're marvellous because you manage to salvage a really messy situation (ie, it's not perfect, but it's miles better than it was). In other cases you're just a bastard tradie because the finished result isn't perfect (ie, you haven't been able to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear ) Sounds like you've gotten some good customers there.

Mick

Originally Posted by Skew ChiDAMN!!

Do you know of a supplier of those stops? Couldn't find any references to anything but safes on the rest of the site you cited. Also, they need to be gold finish (Same reason as above.) and the bottom of the rubbers at least 2" off the floor..

No idea. I just found it googling around.
Here's one that's similar to the one you've made up, but it's got a flange around the base which would give it more stability. http://www.style.net.au/products.har...roductID=20580 You'd still probably have to replace the screw with a bolt and get a big washer for the bottom, or reinforce the floor from underneath before bolting it on.
A couple more that might do the trick
http://www.bellevueimports.com.au/sh...ID=606&catID=8
http://www.style.net.au/products.har...roductID=20541
I like Cliff Roger's suggestion as well.
Good luck with it.

Skew just a thought could you fit a stop block close to the door hinges stopping them from opening past 90 deg , perhaps with magnetic face and matching on the door to hold them open


Rgds

Originally Posted by Ashore

Skew just a thought could you fit a stop block close to the door hinges stopping them from opening past 90 deg , perhaps with magnetic face and matching on the door to hold them open


Rgds

There would be too much leverage,and the door would be ripped from its hinges !

Tools

Skew, instead of a doorstop, could you use an extended flush-mount bolt that bolts into the floor. Or if you can't find one with a bolt long enough, a normal length one bolted into a fancy turned disc like you described earlier