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14th July 2016, 06:15 PM #1SENIOR MEMBER
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Documrent Box ... Design wont work ... HELP
I have a problem ... you may have the solution
My daughter and I designed a box for documents ... hods A4 papers flat .... so the outside is 300mm x 400mm
Here is the box so far ..IMG_2943.jpgIMG_2942.jpg
The legs are not yet attached because I fink there is a problem ...
The legs taper from 45mm to to 7mm at the top ... and the top of the leg is flush with the top of the box on both sides of the corner.
PROBLEM ... So when the lid is opened it will foul on the top of the leg at the rear of the box.
The pis below show the legs at the rear of the box (hinge side) and how the lid will foul the top of the leg
Any ideas on a fix ... please? Hinges that might work .. design fix ... etc.
Regards
Rob
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14th July 2016, 07:28 PM #2
Rob, I would use a broad butt hinge, the pivot of the hinge to align with the outside of the leg. John.
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14th July 2016, 07:50 PM #3
Perhaps you should look at making some cantilever hinges? Like on the outside of the old style "folding" mechanics toolboxes, except internal. By making the rear lever shorter than the front, the lid will tilt back as it opens, rather than staying flat.
However, if a sheet of A4 just fits within the internal dimensions, then they're probably not a good choice either...
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14th July 2016, 09:04 PM #4
What about a strap hinge where the knuckle of the hinge would be set just to the rear of the leg?
Dave
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15th July 2016, 07:43 AM #5SENIOR MEMBER
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15th July 2016, 04:13 PM #6GOLD MEMBER
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It may not suit the aesthetics you have in mind but antique boxes that had such an issue simply chamfered away the parts that would bind. Since those are at the rear of the box it was not considered a problem.
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15th July 2016, 06:03 PM #7GOLD MEMBER
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Split the back lid rail. The outer piece remains stationary while the rest of he lid opens.
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15th July 2016, 06:40 PM #8
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15th July 2016, 07:19 PM #9
From a completely different perspective you could also put a lip on the underside of the lid so it's a snug fit with the box and a handle on top - then you can do away with the hinges altogether.
Edit: If you stay with hinges I like the Nine Fingers option for effectiveness and simplicity while retaining the original external look.Cheers, Bob the labrat
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15th July 2016, 10:03 PM #10Senior Member
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Really like the design and the wood that you have used for this box ! Huon pine is a bit of favourite.
Depending on how important the look of the box is from the back, you could glue a "filler" strip to the back top rail (same wood as the rail) that fits between, and butts against, the legs. The "strip" could also be chamfered to match the taper of the legs. You may then be able to set the hinges back a small amount to give clearance against the back edge of the lid when it is open. Alternatively, a small chamfer on the back of the lid may also give enough clearance to get the lid to around a 98 degrees open angle and act as a natural stop.
Does the lid need to pivot on hinges or could it be modified to be a lift off lid ? May not be practical with a box of this size, but could be a simple solution if the design allows.
Looking forward to the final answer.Last edited by jaksam; 15th July 2016 at 10:04 PM. Reason: Spelling
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15th July 2016, 11:14 PM #11SENIOR MEMBER
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Hi Ian,
Well, I had a piece of huon pine from my last trip to Tassie and some other woods from the "wood pile"
Lauren, wanted something oblique ... not straight sided and big enough to hold her documents ... a couple of sketches later and she signed off.
The wood are huon pine and PNG Rosewood. The legs are hard maple
As for the hinges ... in the end I went with an idea posted above and put in some wide hinges so that they overhung the edge of the box and gave an offset that was the 7mm top of the leg.
The last picture shows the offset .. the barrel of the hinge is far enough back so the top doesnt foul the leg ... I mounted the hinge on the face of the lid ... I really wanted to inset it but the knobs on the ends of the hinge put paid to that idea as I didn't want to carve out the outline of the ends .. and a simple channel would have looked unfinished ...
I have still to finish the shellacing ... first coat only for now
Here is the full scale design and the finished product
Thanks all for your suggestions .... gotta love this forum and the wisdom of the members.
Regards
Rob
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16th July 2016, 04:57 PM #12SENIOR MEMBER
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Thanks WP .. I just had a look at them on EBay ... I think they are just a bit too big for the boxes I make though
I can imagine that the arm length and pivot points are dependancies ... thanks though
Nice to hear the cash is rolling in for you ...
Regards
Rob
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Those hinges look great! Traditionally, document boxes were robust constructions since they were designed to carry and store important documents so the robust and attractive hinges are very much in keeping. It's a lovely box, congratulations.
David
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