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Thread: Drop A????
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23rd June 2009, 08:56 PM #1
Drop A????
Got a client who wants me to retro his RG 321 hardtail to a drop A
This kid really has no idea, I think...
I have retro'd a 25.5 scale down to a drop C before with pretty reasonable success, but it had a .060" string on the bottom.
I am going to suggest that he doesn't go any lower than drop C and we should be able to use some Zack Wylde GHS boomers which go down to a massive 0.070 bass string.
Anyone gone that low before???Cheers!Mongrel
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Besides being a guitar player, I'm a big fan of the guitar. I love that damn instrument. -Steve Vai"Save me Jeebus!" -Homer Simpson
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23rd June 2009, 09:08 PM #2Apprentice
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wonder what sort of amp he is playing through ?
might be a problem if amp is not suitably capable of big low end reproduction?!Looking for
1. fiddleback mulga - 1" thick, 3"wide, 26" long
PM if you have for sale!
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23rd June 2009, 10:05 PM #3
i dont think iv ever heard of anyone going that low
i think when you get to that you will have issues with the bass tring/s fitting through the ferrules/machine head.......
tell him i'll build him an 8 string with 4 bass machine heads/ferrules, and 4 guitar machine heads/ferrules for the price of hardware lol
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23rd June 2009, 10:11 PM #4Apprentice
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there is also the seven string guitar option with the bottom string going to low A...
so it is not unheard of i supposeLooking for
1. fiddleback mulga - 1" thick, 3"wide, 26" long
PM if you have for sale!
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23rd June 2009, 10:13 PM #5
I've done a few guitars to drop B, drop C. But a guy I work with has done the big drop A. Good luck getting a nice low action + NO buzz!
It's normally the problem, a young guy who wants to be tougher then Zack Wyldd.Deano
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23rd June 2009, 10:41 PM #6
I mean this guy is tryig to do a lower than baritone tuning on a 25.5
Naw, I don't like to send anything out that I don't agree with. I mean it will be impossible to intonate, and deano's right: action will be able to drive a truch thru. I suspect that this kid (I haven't heard him play but I have my suspicions) is trying to dig the tuff sound out of his guitar by detuning rather than by playing.
Anyhow I think I'll fix it up to drop C with Zack Wylde Boomers and he can detune it as he likes. It needs replacement saddles, a new nut, fret job and - no doubt - a good trussrod adjustment. It'll cost him $250 with graphtech saddles and nut - assuming it doesn't need anything else. That should sober his aspirations to dropping to A.
Then I'll talk him into commissioning a 28.5 " baritone, or a 7 string... he he he aint I evil...Cheers!Mongrel
Some inspirational words:
"Talent is cheaper than table salt. What separates the talented individual from the successful one is a lot of hard work." -Stephen King.
Besides being a guitar player, I'm a big fan of the guitar. I love that damn instrument. -Steve Vai"Save me Jeebus!" -Homer Simpson
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23rd June 2009, 11:47 PM #7
Does he want the Heavy gauge strings? You can get away with the Boomers 11-50 in drop C. I often do this setup.
Looks like he's in for the works.
Maybe a little tute on how you do your setups? Im always interested in how people go about setting up guitars. Just food for thought :PDeano
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23rd June 2009, 11:56 PM #8
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24th June 2009, 12:07 AM #9
I prefer to get the tension as close to normal as possible, so I tend to try and use the D'addario string tension guide to find the right size and gauge for the tuning. I can probably come back a bit as its a wizard 2 neck and it will flex a little more readily. If I set up with heavy gauge strings he can downtune to his hearts content and wear the crappy action and the buzz. I dont like things to leave me in less than playable condition.
Undoubtedly this will constitute me "not knowin' nuthin'" but I will stick to my guns. He probably wants to play Meshuggah or something of that ilk.
Artreu (or how ever you spell it) tune to drop C apparently and I figure that will be my justification.Cheers!Mongrel
Some inspirational words:
"Talent is cheaper than table salt. What separates the talented individual from the successful one is a lot of hard work." -Stephen King.
Besides being a guitar player, I'm a big fan of the guitar. I love that damn instrument. -Steve Vai"Save me Jeebus!" -Homer Simpson
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24th June 2009, 02:21 AM #10Member
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I suggest some rope with barbed wire around it for that real genuine cutting sound.!!!!
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24th June 2009, 06:20 PM #11GOLD MEMBER
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I play my rg in dropped c.. it has gone to drop a and sounded OK....not great but playable..my strings are ernie balls..12 to 58 i think.. action is great and no buzz at all
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24th June 2009, 06:41 PM #12
I just worry about the intonation, as the string gets larger, the longer the intonation. The longer the intonation, the greater the variation in tuning in each fret.
Still, if my suspicions are correct this kid probably wouldn't notice the difference anyway. I don't know.
I gotta ring him tomorrow (axe came to me thru the local music shop) and I'll see if he's on the ball or not
I have enough trouble with standard tuning without throwing alternative tunings into the mix......Cheers!Mongrel
Some inspirational words:
"Talent is cheaper than table salt. What separates the talented individual from the successful one is a lot of hard work." -Stephen King.
Besides being a guitar player, I'm a big fan of the guitar. I love that damn instrument. -Steve Vai"Save me Jeebus!" -Homer Simpson
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24th June 2009, 08:00 PM #13Retired
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Drop A????
Go for it Mongrel, you could become Famous.
Cheers Bob,
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24th June 2009, 10:22 PM #14
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25th June 2009, 12:24 AM #15
gotta be nice to the paying clients, they always know WAY more than I do - I guess thats why they send their guitars to me...now hold on a minute, how does that work again....
Cheers!Mongrel
Some inspirational words:
"Talent is cheaper than table salt. What separates the talented individual from the successful one is a lot of hard work." -Stephen King.
Besides being a guitar player, I'm a big fan of the guitar. I love that damn instrument. -Steve Vai"Save me Jeebus!" -Homer Simpson
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