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28th August 2006, 02:08 AM #1New Member
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Musical Instrument Finishes and cements
Hi all. Strungout pointed me over here. It's nice to know that there are others out there, closer to home.
I am in the process of building a StewMac OOO. Everything I know about wood work and luthery, I have learnt in the last five or so weeks so I might be asking more than answering. Hope you don't mind.
Can anyone suggest to me what I could use to finish an acoustic guitar. Something that is available across the country. I looked at Durobond's 851 Guitar Lacquor but it'll cost me $105.00 in freight to get it to Perth.
Also what cement are you using to put on the bindings etc?
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28th August 2006, 10:28 AM #2
I know Mirotone also makes nitro lacquer, you might want to check their webiste or local distributor.
I know a pro builder who uses cement for gluing up those small scale car models you find in hobby shops for his binding.
EDIT: Oh yeah! you also have perry ormsby in Perth who supplies guitar building stuff, you might find the real luthier stuff through him. www.ormsbyguitars.com
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28th August 2006, 10:32 AM #3
I have found the stewmac water based sanding sealer and guitar lacquer cheap and excellent. The stuff you're talking about is thinners based and is very flammable and toxic. I wouldn't get hung up on nitro finish it aint all its cracked up to be. Its got a pretty high voodoo factor.
Weldon #16 is pretty good for bindings and you can get it from Mulford plastics in keysborough [victora]. tewnac has it as well.ray c
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28th August 2006, 11:42 AM #4Senior Member
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I'm french polishing my second acoustic guitar at the moment using Ubeaut Hard shellac. Cut it 50/50 with ethanol and it works wonderfully.
That way you don't need any spray gear or fume extraction, not only is nitro cellulose toxic, it's also explosive.
You will need to learn how to french polish tho, but it's not hard to do and is fairly forgiving so if you screw it up it's easy to redo.
On my first guitar I used wattyl satin polyurethane on the neck, I just wiped on a bunch of thin coats with a rag and then rubbed it with 0000 steel wool. Nice and slick.
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28th August 2006, 11:58 AM #5Originally Posted by Paul BStupidity kills. Absolute stupidity kills absolutely.
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28th August 2006, 12:12 PM #6Originally Posted by Paul B
Thanks for the finishing info. Prior to FPing what do you use for pore filling on rosewood? (assuming youre using this on your acoustic bodies)?
Cheers MartinWhatever note you blow youre never more than a semitone away from the correct one....(Miles Davis)
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28th August 2006, 12:42 PM #7Originally Posted by TedsWhatever note you blow youre never more than a semitone away from the correct one....(Miles Davis)
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28th August 2006, 12:56 PM #8Senior Member
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Originally Posted by kiwigeo
I used CA to fill the pores on my first which was rosewood, and epoxy on my second which is tassy blackwood. Don't think I like either of them much, the CA sets up faster than the epoxy but produces lots of fumes when spread thinly over a large surface, and the epoxy is a pain in the ass to sand - gums up the sand paper. The CA shrank over time so some pores are now visible under the finish. I think I probably put too much epoxy on and then had too much to sand off, squeegeeing it on might work better. When I do another rosewood guitar I'll probably use epoxy, but I'll try to use much less.
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28th August 2006, 01:01 PM #9Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Iain
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28th August 2006, 01:47 PM #10
On my solidbody instruments I use rattlecans of Miralac semi-gloss during the cooler months and K&H acrylic when the weather's warm.
Rob
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28th August 2006, 02:26 PM #11
Hey Teds
You can get the Weldon 16 Binding Glue as sold by StewMac
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Glues,_a..._adhesive.html
from:
Mulford Plastics Pty Ltd
21 Pearson Way
Osborne Park WA 6017
Australia
Phone: +61 08 9446 9933
Fax: +61 08 9244 1240
Im going to use some Haymes Paints products on my build (300 Sanding Sealer, 880 gloss Nitrocellulose Lacquer (body & headstock) and 830 satin lacquer (neck))
I will let you all know how I go with them
Regards
dayvo
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28th August 2006, 07:09 PM #12Originally Posted by Paul Bray c
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28th August 2006, 08:34 PM #13New Member
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Dayvo - Thankyou very much for the local information, Weldon 16 it is. Thanks everyone for your prompt feedback. I am back on track after being oohh so close to using the totally wrong product. Titan Bond Plus does NOT dry clear as I was promised. Thank goodness for the test run.
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28th August 2006, 09:17 PM #14Senior Member
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Originally Posted by old_picker
You said mix into a slurry. What do you mean by this? do you water it down? That might explain something.
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28th August 2006, 11:06 PM #15
Today I received some 4F grade pumice from Lee Valley....time to get started on the FP job on the classical.
Ive glued up some Allied Luthiery opp grade Rosewood into a dummy back to practise on.
Wish me luck!!Whatever note you blow youre never more than a semitone away from the correct one....(Miles Davis)