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In my unit complex, a professional project manager has specified 2-pac paint on garage doors that are currently exterior vinyl. (I think it's a dumb idea to paint them at all, but I was out-voted...

Welcome to the deck slaves club. :no:

I am no longer a member of that club, having sold my house ~2 yrs ago. But I will never again buy a place that has an exterior timber deck.

Presumably...

...what Soundman said. :2tsup:

Even ultra-expensive 2-pack marine-grade polyurethanes (which require maybe 5-10 coats) are unlikely to last more than few years, depending on degree of exposure....

1) Abandon all hope of finding an exterior (natural-looking) timber finish that will last a long time (although if you keep it covered with something totally opaque when not in use the lifetime...

But have you actually done the experiment? I.e., apply Cutek to a piece of decking offcut as per manufacturer's instructions with 1+ weeks between coats, then wait another couple of weeks, then cut...

Sounds like you're in the same area of Sydney as me. I have a tiny amount of Cutek left over if you want to come take a look. (PM me if so.)

Bristol, Mona Vale still didn't stock Cutek last time I...

Steer clear, imho. (BTW, all "exterior" products come with half-truths and deceptions, so I've found.)

Most of the decking oils that you can easily find in hardware stores won't last very long....

(Sigh.) Didn't see this thread until now....

What a waste of all that tender loving care and effort. There simply is no long-lasting exterior timber finish. I never cease to be amazed at the...

Not any more... :no:

Yeah, I found that out the hard way: I filled some holes in recycled hardwood with builder's bog (polyester), and although I painted them thoroughly with many coats of...

There's 2 different cases:

1) A handrail of curved profile. This I sand by hand using a long narrow block. 60g and 80g paper (haven't got any 40g at the moment). I've tried rhynalox, silicon...

Recently, I've been filling quite a lot of exterior timber with marine fibreglass resin + sawdust. But the sanding is difficult. All types of sandpaper I've tried seem to start off ok, but then go...

Nah, that's fine -- my knowledge of metal work is rather minimal.


All I did was clean it with steel wool and sugar soap. Sounds like I should try prep'ing it a bit more seriously before bitching...

Thanks. That's an interesting thread.

I only have a small quantity to do, so I won't be sandblasting. Maybe I'll go the vinegar+ZC mentioned later in thread as a 2nd-best approach. If I can find a...

Thanks for the replies everyone.

One last question (pardon my ignorance).... why is steel wool bad for cleaning aluminium? And with other methods, like scotchbrite, how do you know when it's clean...

I sprayed some Anchorbond etch primer on aluminium (after cleaning thoroughly with steel wool, etc). 2 coats a few hours apart, like it says on the can. Then I left it for a day or two.

I wanted...

"Snow"?? What's that? :D

OK, that's closer to what I would have expected. Fine above ground, but lucky to last more than a few decades in-ground in a wet climate.

Ah, thanks for telling me that! It explains a lot.

I just did a bit more reading on it, here:

Epoxy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Which epoxy adhesive do you think is best for...

Thanks for the extra detail.

Yeah, that's why I like to use recycled timber for exterior use when the thickness must exceed 45mm. OTOH, I found out the hard way that epoxy filler (Builder's Bog) is not long-term durable for...

Red-gum posts in-ground for >100 years?? I would have expected the bottoms to have rotted significantly before that.


Great signature line! Sometimes I get the feeling that most other people in...

Ah. Thanks.

I guess that would also partly explain why even stainless steel screws tend to snap if you try to withdraw them from an old deck. (?)

Thanks everyone for your answers...





Thanks guys. That gives me the clue. I guess what you're saying is related to this:

Cytorrhysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anyone who has worked with a fresh piece of KD blackbutt or ironbark, and then worked with some 100-yr old recycled pieces of the same species knows how much harder and challenging the latter can be....

As a result of bad experiences, I never use acryllic primers anymore for exterior use. Even Zinsser exterior (turps cleanup) fast-drying primer disappointed me.

If it were my handrail, I'd sand...

Kekemo, I've arrived late to this party but I just want to clarify something...

In your original post it sounded like your steps are for exterior use?
Is that right? If so, what filler and finish...

I considered that 6 years ago when I started. But there is far too much work (still) to be done on my house (i.e., renovating most of the interior). I thought the 2-pack would last longer than it...

I know what you mean -- but I've noticed that tints can fade outside when subjected to endless UV rays.

My primary concern though is whether the resin filler would get forced out over time in a...

Ummm,.... but did the eventual use involve heavy foot traffic in an exterior environment?

I'm wondering about timber expansion/shrinking in the exterior environment, and whether this could push...

Thanks. I had a feeling that would be the case.

I must weigh up the time and frustration of stripping 11m of this stuff versus the cost of simply having some replacement rails re-milled -- for...

I have some exterior hardwood timber steps. They looked really good when I first installed them, and finished with Spa-n-Deck.

18 months later, there is now (of course) considerable surface...

OK, so I'm totally over the whole thing about having a beautifully finished timber handrail on my (fully exposed) balcony... :((

It was finished with endless coats of International's "Perfection"...

DEFINITELY wait for the show. And make sure you take some nontrivial pieces of different types of timber to try out on both machines. A lot of the superior features of the kapex won't be obvious...

Yeah, my thoughts exactly.

Thanks. Hadn't thought of that. I'll give it a try.

BTW, I was down at Northern Abrasives at Brookvale recently and
took the opportunity to have a much closer look at the Festool 10".
(They have...

I need to fill a lot of cracks, some wide, some tiny, in about
100 blackbutt ballusters for exterior use. They'll eventually
be painted, so I don't need to make the filler look pretty.
It just...

I offered some rantings about this subject in this thread:

best finish for spotted gum/ironbark - Woodwork Forums

Since you're doing it as an order for a (probably unsuspecting) client,
the...

I've been using Mont Mater artist brushes made from ultra-fine "taklon"
fibre to get a very smooth finish on small pieces. I'd like to buy some
larger taklon brushes but I can't seem to find enough...

Thanks for the rapid reply! I'll do as you suggest.

In a recent accident, one tooth of the aluminium cutting blade on my
SCMS got bent slightly sideways. I hammered it gently back into alignment
but I was surprised how easily the bent tooth went...

I must now correct one thing in my original post...



After taking a much more careful look at my aluminium cutting blade
I noticed the one tooth was bent slightly sideways, probably from the...

Hmm, yes, in hindsight I should have pursued this option.
But I wanted to continue the task right away, and ordering parts
usually takes time. The Makita LS1016 sounded like a significant...

Wow. OK, that's definitely worse than my story.

But why were they docking the hammer handle in the first place?
Some stupid joke?

I paid $976, which is a tradie's price at my local Mitre-10.
I knew that I could get it a bit cheaper at (say) Sydney Tools,
where it's listed online for $929:

SYDNEY TOOLS - Makita 260mm Dual...

Continuing the story...

Having mangled my trusty Makita LS1013 SCMS, I spend a morning
on the Internet trying to decide what to buy as a replacement.

I decide to stick with 10" SCMS because...

I don't own a digital camera. (Sad, huh?)
I'll ask the guy next door when I see him...

Fighting back considerable embarrassment and shame, I post this story
as a warning for others...

In another thread, someone remarked that you can't kill a Makita SCMS.
I agree -- but I found out...

Interesting. BTW, I just checked the label on my tin and it says "Everdure", not "Epidure". Are we talking about the same thing?
...

I just wanted to second Pellcorp's caution about the 1017/1018.
Definitely check back through some older threads on this subject,
say around may-june 2010. I remember that the 1018 was intended
as...

Hmmm. I only have the Makita LS1013, but it sounds like you feel
the Bosch is superior? In what way(s) ?