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Thread: Beginners Planes - what to get?
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23rd November 2009, 08:41 AM #1
Beginners Planes - what to get?
Hi,
I am admittedly mostly a power tools kind of guy at the moment. However for glue ups I am very much aware that a couple of good planes will increase the quality of my output. What I would like to know is what would be a good and economical collection of planes to get to smooth panels / remove any glue.
I am thinking I need a block plane and a #4 smoothing plane. Will those two do the job? If so can anyone recommend where I might purchase such planes?
I really don't want to have to spend more than $300 for the block plane and smoother plane together. (Thus the Irwin combo below fits quite nicely)
I have heard some good and not so good things about Groz
Groz No. 4 & 5 Smoothing Planes : CARBA-TEC
What about the Irwin #4
Irwin #4 Smoothing Plane : CARBA-TEC
And the Irwin block plane?
Irwin Block Plane : CARBA-TEC
If there are posts I have missed on this subject I apologise before hand
Thanks
Jason
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23rd November 2009, 09:08 AM #2
Hi,
I am wondering if a used stanley from toolexchange would be good buy?
Stanley Bench Planes and old tools
For $75 I can get this stanley #4:
http://www.toolexchange.com.au/image...anley42702.jpg
And block planes are available here too.
OLD TOOLS & Stanley Block Planes
Any idea what to look for on this site to get a good couple of planes?
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23rd November 2009, 09:15 AM #3
Jason
My view is that you are more likely to get a good quality plane which you can use by buying an old Stanley/Record or if you are feeling patriotic Turner/Carter/Falcon. Just make sure that if it is a Stanley it is from pre 1950, if it is a Record, it is pre 1970 - the manufacturing quality went downhill after that time.
You will have to tune it, but there are lots of good articles on this (as well as Bob Rozaieski's recent video podcast) and frankly you are going to have to do the same for a Groz or Irwin (modern name of Record) and the basic materials used in the old planes were much better, and unless the plane has been abused or is incomplete, you shouldn't find it too hard at all.
Have a look at The Tool Exchange to get an idea of what the second hand prices are like - you shouldn't pay more than that!Cheers
Jeremy
If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done quickly
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23rd November 2009, 09:50 AM #4
Jason,
Jeremy has some good advice for you.
Luban White sells great planes at very good prices.
See:
Handmade and vintage tools
For example he has a very nice number 4 for $65 AND a lovely Millers Falls 75 Block plane for $70.
If you buy from Luban, you will be getting a quality product with no hidden faults.
Those are my pick if I was in your shoes.
Cheers
SG.... some old things are lovely
Warm still with the life of forgotten men who made them ........................D.H. Lawrence
https://thevillagewoodworker.blogspot.com/
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23rd November 2009, 10:09 AM #5
I forgot Luban (who is also a Forum member). Those are likely to be good planes at a good price
Cheers
Jeremy
If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done quickly
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23rd November 2009, 06:52 PM #6
Jason,
What the others have said. Old stanleys are the better way to go. If you cant get hold of any good old ones then the choice between Groz and Irwyn hardly matters. They will get you started.
Keep an eye on ebay,garage sales and markets for old planes too and remember hunting old tools can be habit forming.
Regards
John
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23rd November 2009, 07:58 PM #7
Hi,
Sorry I guess I was not very clear. The first task I wanted to be able to do is clear away excess glue squeeze out. But then I would need to be able to clean up any imperfections in my panels, its all very new to me but my understanding is, its quite rare to get a completely flush panel after glue up, a little hand work is going to be necessary.
Thanks for the info so far. I can see the value in both the card scrapers and a old second hand #4 stanley and a #9 block plane or equivalent.
Will keep looking
Cheers
Jason
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23rd November 2009, 09:38 PM #8
Except for NYWS all the online podcasts and videos I have watched suggest this is exactly what you should not do as you can spread the glue into the pores of the wood and make it more difficult to stain. The suggestion is to wait until it skins over and scrape off with a putty knife. But either way once you have the clamps on there will be some parts you can't get to with either a knife or a cloth.
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23rd November 2009, 11:37 PM #9
Jason
there's a number of resources out there that discuss how to get a glued-up panel flat using hand planes.
If flattening a panel is one of the things you want to use the planes for, I suggest you may want something a bit longer than a #4, maybe something as long as a #6.regards from Alberta, Canada
ian
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24th November 2009, 12:37 AM #10
Is there a resource which describes what a #4 is vs a #6? Hopefully it has some logical meaning....
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24th November 2009, 05:56 AM #11Skwair2rownd
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24th November 2009, 09:37 AM #12
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24th November 2009, 09:54 AM #13
See here:
The Superior Works - Patrick's Blood & Gore: Preface
and settle down to some interesting reading
SG.... some old things are lovely
Warm still with the life of forgotten men who made them ........................D.H. Lawrence
https://thevillagewoodworker.blogspot.com/
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24th November 2009, 10:01 AM #14
For a less idiocynctratic view Hans Brunner also has a listing on the Stanley numbers
Cheers
Jeremy
If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done quickly
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24th November 2009, 08:28 PM #15
Jason
this thread https://www.woodworkforums.com/f152/f...e-book-108546/
might be useful
I've had Hack's book for several years and find it useful
but Christopher Schwarz's new Hand Plane Essentials woodworking books from Popular Woodworking - BOOK: Handplane Essentials - Woodworker's BookShop - Save on woodworking magazines, books, projects and downloads
is probably more useful initiallyregards from Alberta, Canada
ian
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