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5th September 2010, 11:52 AM #16GOLD MEMBER
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No offence taken, Ivan, we are saying the same thing. What I was after was a statement, similar to the one you linked, by someone who could state with authority: "Pfeil uses ZZZ steel, which looks different from all others because of YYY and it is preferred because XXX". Then it is up to the individual, whatever his/her level of expertise, to decide accordingly.
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5th September 2010, 01:10 PM #17
The Pfeil is Good.
Hi Again,
I just have to reply to rrser & nz carver.
I my opinion, 95% of " The Carvers " I know, all use Pfiel.
I'm talking about Ladies as well as Men who only Carve.
I go to "The Carve-In " every year, held at the Lady Northcote Recreation Camp, between Bacchus Marsh & Anakie, at Glenmore-Rowsley Area.
We have up to 52 " Serious Carvers " for a weekend in May.
Unfortunately I'm not aware of any of them who belong to these Forums, because they could write for themselves.
There is a big Group in Doncaster, People from Bendigo, Glenmore, & the Geelong Group Vic. as well, & I will swear, they all use Phiel Carving Chisels, & they all can't be wrong.
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issatree.
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5th September 2010, 01:12 PM #18Jim
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Another related question is, "how many only use one brand?" I'd be surprised if there were many who stick to one brand only.
Cheers,
Jim
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5th September 2010, 01:21 PM #19Hewer of wood
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Issatree, you might as well say that since lots of folks drive Fords they must be good. But when you take a look at their fault rates ....
The only way to properly answer 'how good?' is with comparative tests. One from AWR has been posted. Feel free to check the FWW website for my recollection but their test report may only be available to subscribers.Cheers, Ern
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5th September 2010, 06:09 PM #20GOLD MEMBER
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Yep. What you said. I am concerned for the desperation shown by your signature, though. Thanks for the quote I borrowed for mine.
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5th September 2010, 09:32 PM #21
The Pfeil is Still Good.
Hi Ern,
I think your a little rough on comparing a Chisel to a Ford that has 1000's of moving parts against a Chisel of 2 pieces. Never owned a Ford & never will.
I would rather go for " Word of Mouth " on the likes of these particular Chisels, than on Words in a Book.
You have to believe in the People who use any of these Chisels.
The People who write up these Reports, get paid to do so, where as the People who Use These Chisels don't, & are always there to help you.
F & E, if you are going to carve Totem Poles, then you have to get something different.
If you are just going to Carve Mirror Frames or Birds or Animals, then the Pfeil will see you through, Dastra if you like, & someone said 2Cherry's, or whatever.
Get into Carving & get that Pfeiling, as it is very relaxing, frustrating sometimes as well.
Regards,
issatree.
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5th September 2010, 11:46 PM #22GOLD MEMBER
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6th September 2010, 07:30 AM #23Hewer of wood
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It's not a comparison issatree, it's an analogy.
'Word of mouth' .... at one stage and place in woodturning, those words had you hollowing a bowl with a scraper.
The 'words in a book' that you choose to ignore come from expert tool users using thorough methods to test popular opinion.
Popular opinion ..... groupthink; the herd view?Cheers, Ern
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6th September 2010, 08:39 AM #24Jim
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6th September 2010, 11:51 AM #25
Curiosity got the better of me and I checked the FWW "editors" review of the Pfiel bench chisel.
Interestingly there were two reviews of the same chisel by different editors
This by Chris Gochnour in 2008
Because of its shape, the hornbeam handle is particularly easy to grasp from the end. The blade was perfectly flat with nicely softened edges, making it easy on the hands. The cutting edge held up better than average. The fine craftsmanship and high performance make this a very close runner-up for best overall among the Western chisels
And this by Rex Alexander in 1999
this chisel’s large-diameter round handle keeps the blade from touching the bench at any point. I found that the chisel was always rolling around on the bench, something that none of the other tools did. This chisel ranked below all others in the toughness test. The tool scored an “average”
Hmmm......seems not even the experts can agree
what if the hokey pokey is really what it's all about?
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6th September 2010, 01:49 PM #26Hewer of wood
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Snap. Now back at a computer with a high speed link I just did the same.
AFAIK heat treatment is a skilled business and it may be reasonable to expect some variation in batches.Cheers, Ern
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6th September 2010, 03:50 PM #28Hewer of wood
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LOL.
No, perhaps not.
But there's variation in all things.
Spice of life or burr in the sock depending on your attitude ;-}Cheers, Ern
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6th September 2010, 05:54 PM #29GOLD MEMBER
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Aha, now I understand perfectly: to maintain their good reputation they hid the crappy batches in Australia!
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6th September 2010, 06:35 PM #30Hewer of wood
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Or maybe they thought they were sending them to Austria ;-}
Cheers, Ern
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