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  1. #181
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    Well , they are welcome to post here , if they are involved in wooden boat building.
    Rob J.

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    and they are quite right to be against forestry as it was being mis-practiced.
    The clear-fell/monoculture method is pretty harsh on everything except the
    Big Boyz shareholders.
    On the other hand, tossing baby out with bath water ain't clever, as appears
    to be the case here.

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    AJ , I have a problem blaming Gunns.
    Sure , they seemed to have got big and powerful , but they were also regulated , they were supposed to answer to the Government departments , charged with the forest management.
    If things did go awry , whose fault is it ?.
    The Government of the day , and the public service are supposed to be running the state , NOT , a public company , and not a few scatterbrain , lawless greenies .
    Its going to have to start at grass roots level , you are going to have to demand the truth from Politicians , and make a judgement at election time , on what is best for the state.
    And make sure they display a bit of backbone , and do what has to be done.The experience and knowledge is there , they just need a strong leader with integrity
    Otherwise , the disaster will be complete.
    Regards Rob J.

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    But that is just the problem, Gunns are running the industry with the local governments full backing and they are devastating the landscape. They have taken out more trees in the past twenty years or so than in the entire history of forestry in Tasmania and, put heaps of loggers out of work, And they turn good wood into pulp. They are also responsible for poisoning waterways with their defoliant and quite possibly responsible for the facial tumours that the devils are suffering from. If they were shut down tommorrow, sanity would return, more jobs would open up in forestry and there would be enough timber to supply Australian needs (not Japanese pulp mills).

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    WRB , I'll repeat what I said.
    Its up to governmemt to run the state , not a company , not fool greenies either.
    That is what Governments are elected to do !.
    Shutting down Gunns isn't going to help , in fact it will just make things worse.
    The industry needs to be managed , properly , so that it is sustainable , and profitable.
    Shutting down Gunns , closing up the forests is just plain idiotic , it would be bad news for Tasmanians , and bad news for the forests .
    Yes , things have been done that make all of us shudder , but do you think going to a plantation industry is going to help ?.
    Let me tell you from the experience here , it just gets a whole lot worse.
    Management is the key , starting with a strong government , with integrity.
    Unfortunately , we don't have that at state (Tasmanian) level , or federally.
    Hopefully that will change .
    Regards Rob J.

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    WRB , in regard to herbicides etc , I am a Biodynamic farmer , primary because of what I saw was the result of spraying agent orange in SVN , and immediately after , the use of 245T around my home town , at the time.
    And because of that , I'm acutely aware of the abuse or misuse of these chemicals .
    There are regulations as to their use however , and they can be used.
    I reported and got a conviction on a neighbour who was using 245T illegally , I've also changed the practises of the local council , on how they use their chemicals.
    Yes , I know of lots of incidents reported in the media , of cover ups and inaction , I've also seen lots of other incidents that weren't reported.
    But the answer is in Government regulation , and prosecution of offenders.
    If I had my way , these chemicals would be banned completely , but thats not going to happen.
    Just stay diligent , and use the system.
    Regards Rob J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dopeydriver View Post
    WRB , in regard to herbicides etc , I am a Biodynamic farmer , primary because of what I saw was the result of spraying agent orange in SVN , and immediately after , the use of 245T around my home town , at the time.
    And because of that , I'm acutely aware of the abuse or misuse of these chemicals .
    There are regulations as to their use however , and they can be used.
    I reported and got a conviction on a neighbour who was using 245T illegally , I've also changed the practises of the local council , on how they use their chemicals.
    Yes , I know of lots of incidents reported in the media , of cover ups and inaction , I've also seen lots of other incidents that weren't reported.
    But the answer is in Government regulation , and prosecution of offenders.
    If I had my way , these chemicals would be banned completely , but thats not going to happen.
    Just stay diligent , and use the system.
    Regards Rob J.
    I actually contacted Peter garret about this very issue and got a form letter back stating that it was the former government that put the legislation in place so their is nothing that they can do about it.
    More than useless - seems he has a very "Short memory"....

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    Its sad really , that such an incompetent person can get in to such a position.
    Hopefully , these last few months will really stir up the voters , and they will start asking questions , and demanding forthright answers from our Politicians , of both sides of the fence.
    Regards Rob J.

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    Here it is again , the timber industry is to be replaced by tourism.
    Well , I don't think so.
    I had 27 years in the airline industry , sent a lot of people to Tassie over the years , and saw them come back.
    And the industry managed to screw up a lot of people too , over the years , with unions flexing their muscles , as they are doing now , and will in to the future.
    And the ferries continue to gauge , in the high season.
    We have a wedding party and guests thrown in to disarray by the current union actions , coming from all points of Australia , they have to put up with a highly unreliable service to Tasmania.
    If it wasn't a wedding , we would all stay home , for sure.We are paying a lot of money to get there , only to be screwed around.
    And I can't help recalling comments from ex Tasmanians on this thread , "get up and goer's' , that "got up and went".
    And also the observation of the Tasmanian Upper house , that a lot of people , and capital , are leaving Tasmania.
    Tourism ?.
    Yes , its a beautiful part of the world , but there are some glorious areas , forests , in the rest of Australia too , that are much easier , and cheaper , to access.
    They talk of heavy investment in tourism infrastructure , but what about the education and health system ?.

    Anyway , the article.
    "Forest industry stakeholders have been told it could take 20 years to build a ecotourism industry strong enough to take the place of forestry.
    More than 100 people met in Hobart last night to hear what opportunities are likely to flow from the forestry peace deal.
    The meeting was addressed by Federal Environment Minister Tony Burke, Deputy Premier Bryan Green and Greens leader Nick McKim.
    A key message was the need for compromise but Mr Green said continuing forest protests were frustrating.
    He said it had caused some, including the unions, to feel like they were being disadvantaged.
    "We're in this for the long haul. I've said that and I mean it."
    "But everybody has to be in the same position and that is why we need to take the conflict out of this.
    "It is about compromise and it's about getting an outcome that we can all be proud of.
    "This next few months are vital in terms of getting that trust and ownership if we are to go forward. We need to take the conflict out of this," he said.
    Mr McKim said the protests were understandable.
    "There are protests still going on in our forests but so is the logging in the 430,000 hectares that the IGA (inter-governmental agreement) said would immediately be protected."
    International ecotourism expert Tony Charters told the meeting ecotourism was one way ahead but there were hurdles.
    "Tourism can't deliver miracles it needs support, it needs dollars to do it, it needs heavy investment, it needs access."
    "The forestry and logging industry has been around for 100, 120 years; it's had a lot of support over those years.
    "The tourism industry is barely a quarter of a century old. In reality, it's very young and immature and it needs the sort of support to make a difference to make a difference to drive those transitional economies and the future of tourism," he said.
    He warned that while Tasmania was in a prime position to cash in on the growth of ecotourism, it needed to invest heavily in infrastructure and industry development.
    "Our most successful nature destination came off the back of conservation battles and so the publicity and the media of these conservation battles actually generated the destination values that we now market so it's a great opportunity to build.""


    I'd suggest they would be better off dealing with the real world , and look to hold and develop real jobs.
    FWIW.
    Rob J.

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    Hi Rob.

    My family moved to Nubeena in 1962. Nubeena is 6 miles (in old money) from Port Arthur.
    In 1962 the definition of a tourist was, someone who visited with a clean shirt and a pound note and left without changing either.
    The only difference today is that pound is probably $50.00.
    Also Port Arthur is now a government run project.
    We have the worst roads in the state, despite the fact, Port Arthur is still considered the premier tourist attraction for Tasmania.
    Worth to the community, ? Minimal at best.

    If you live in Sydney, (according to a friend of mine) it is cheaper to get a package deal to New Zealand, than it is to come to Tas.

    I am all for well managed forestry.
    I do not believe in the "old growth" cry of conservation, as I have seen what old eucalyptus are really worth.
    I do believe there is not enough attention paid to the minor species when the land is cleared.
    These minor species have huge value not only to boat building, but also furniture and wood turning and other specialist applications, which have a very high value, end product.

    Just my 2c worth as usual.

    Paul.
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    Paul , when we do get to Tassie , we will be doing a bit of touring with my son , daughter in law , and grand-daughter.
    My daughter in law is very high up in the tourism department of another state , and will be in a good position to pass judgement.
    We have just cruised up through Vic , NSW , and QLD , staying in all states .
    We weren't impressed , so many , in fact all the places we stayed at didn't give us what they promised.
    Our stays in the past in Tassie , going back to the early 80's were good , it said more about the old style Australian /Tasmanian hospitality than anything else .
    But I noticed a different trend the last stay , about 4 years ago , the same stingy penny pinching we experienced on the mainland.
    If thats what we get this time , well it won't auger well for Tasmanian tourisms future.
    Why pay thousands to get a family stuffed around ?.
    And yes , MANAGED forestry , is the way to go.
    Regards Rob J.

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    Rob,

    That "penny pinching" you speak of, is because Tassie is not offering our tourists what they might expect, from all the "green" advertising.
    Tasmania, simply cannot compete on the world tourism market,simply because we do not have a defining feature to draw people here in large numbers.
    We can encourage, high end users, i.e. fly fishermen, game fishermen, etc, etc. Including some very limited wood turners or craftsmen furniture makers.

    Tasmania is a truly beautiful place, but it does not have anything really special top offer the world, unless you want to live here.

    Tourism in Tas is only one small part of what Tasmanian economy is about.
    Tasmania could be the vegetable garden of Australia.
    Tasmania could supply most of Australia with hard wood timbers.
    Tasmania already has a big export market for prime beef.
    Some of the best wool in the world comes from Tas.
    I could go on, but I get sick of the, lock it up and throw away the key attitude of the "green" movement.
    One of my biggest objections to the "green" movement, is that these people/individuals put nothing into the community.

    End of rant. Dinner time.

    Paul.
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    Paul , the "penny pinching" is where the heating element in air conditioners doesn't work , or the electric blanket advertised only covers half of the double bed , or the meal bearing no relation to that which was ordered .
    THATS penny pinching !.
    But I remember staying at Bicheno in the early 80's , with 4 very young kids , and the people there really looked after us.
    Yes , we did want to move to Tassie , to an old farm at Deloraine , to be precise.
    But the removal costs were way too high .
    Of course I did have horse and bullock teams , ploughs and wagons and harness , all that sort of clobber.
    Yes , there is no need to develop new industries , you have already listed plenty that are top class now.
    You forgot the cottage cheese industry !.
    I'm also hoping to see "my" sort of Tasmanian boats down there , including a 27footer at Dover !!.
    Regards Rob J.

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    Hi Paul, you didn't mention "Do" town on your list of attractions, or have the greenies demolshied that too. From memory it was pretty close to a beach.
    Ian L

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    Hi Ian.

    Yes "DO TOWN" still exists. It is less prominent now due to the huge number of other hoses and shacks that have been built in the area.
    You are quite right it is directly on the big beach at Eagle Hawk Neck.

    Paul.
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