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5th December 2013, 05:07 PM #121SENIOR MEMBER
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Thomas Tyzack Saw
Today, I received a Thomas Tyzack saw that was purchased on the UK's eBay site. I tried to do a bit of research on the net as to the date of manufacture. I also looked for handles of similar design as it will need a new handle.
Now, I'm not sure as there were so many Tyzacks making tools in the 19thC, but I'm guessing this saw was made around the middle of the 1800's. According to this source (http://www.tyzack.net/chap15.pdf) Thomas Tyzack started making saws with his brother William in 1812 and founded a company Thomas and William Tyzack in 1817. I do not know if there are saws stamped "Thomas and William Tyzack." Later (and the date is not specified) Thomas Tyzack and Sons is formed. I couldn't get onto the list of saw makers on backsaw.net to check when Thomas Tyzack and Sons was operating- perhaps the website is being backed up. Thomas Tyzack died in 1864 and his son Thomas (one of the sons in Thomas Tyzack and Sons) in 1865.
In the next chapter (http://www.tyzack.net/chap16.pdf) the author describes the separation of William from the business Thomas and William Tyzack in the early to mid 1820's. This William Tyzack founds the business that becomes W. Tyzack and Sons and Turner. Turner was the son in law of William, being made a partner in 1870. The author does indicate that before 1870, W. Tyzack and Sons had been split into several companies as parts of the original company were inherited: the benefactors wanting to own and operate separate enterprises.
As to the handle shape - I couldn't find an exact match on the net. It appears to be most similar to those found on older Spear and Jackson back saws (http://tgiag.com/saw-handle-scans.html). It has a little triangle at the bases of both the bottom and top horns. The S&J having the little triangle only at the base of the top horn on the example I found.
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5th December 2013, 07:44 PM #122
Hi Paul. Good find with the Tyzack pdfs! I've read the website before but didn't know about a book.
I threw backsaw.net into the Wayback Machine and got the list as of 11-may-2012.
Checklist of British Saw Makers
... but we're only getting the first 50. Doh.
Paul
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6th December 2013, 10:46 AM #123SENIOR MEMBER
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Saw makers
I still can't access the list of makers from backsaw.net - let's hope Ray posts soon.
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31st December 2013, 09:54 PM #124SENIOR MEMBER
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The long-delayed saw vice...
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It took me a little while to get around to finishing this and testing it out. It works a treat! Holds the saw nice and tight. Not much in the way of vibration. It's a simpler design than originally envisaged, but it works
Craig
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11th January 2014, 06:34 PM #125SENIOR MEMBER
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Starting work shortly...
Thanks to Lightwood, I now have a fantastic piece of bubinga to use to restore an old 7ppi S&J crosscut saw that belonged to my father-in-law's father or grandfather. The handle of the saw is in bad shape. I can still use it as a template, but I can't save it, so a new handle it will be
S&J 8PPI Crosscut 01.jpg
You can't see the rot on the other side, which makes this a bad prospect of salvaging much of the original wood, but at least I can still trace around it I'll also need to track down a couple more appropriate saw nuts.
Craig
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12th January 2014, 07:56 AM #126
From a link below ... a Simonds and a S&J ...
I can photograph (possibly scan) similar handles if you need ...
Cheers,
Paul
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12th January 2014, 11:20 AM #127SENIOR MEMBER
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Thanks!
Paul,
Thanks very much!
That S&J looks very similar to the one I am working on. Last night I soaked the blade in industrial cleaning vinegar and with a light sand discovered an etch with "179" on it. I've identified this saw as a "Sovereign 179". Pictures to follow soon. I am going to use my "Google-fu" to see if I can find out anything about it and some good pictures or references.
If I find anything helpful, I'll share it here.
Craig
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12th January 2014, 12:43 PM #128Originally Posted by Morbius
Good choice, that will make a very nice handle, looking forwards to seeing pictures. Nice looking saw vise too..
Hi homesy, My memory is failing, did I get around to answering your PM about that question? Anyway, that checklist problem was fixed a while back.
Ray
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Progress...
The industrial vinegar and soft sanding blocks have done wonders.
Went from this (last night):
8ppi S&J Crosscut 03.jpg
To this, an hour ago:
8ppi S&J Crosscut 04.jpg
I still have to clean up around where the holes are, as I don't want any future rust there to have a head start.
Craig
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12th January 2014, 05:06 PM #130SENIOR MEMBER
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pamphlet
The Sovereign is mentioned in this 1961 publication of S&J. Available as a download from Toolerama Press:
Mfg. - Spear & Jackson Saw Makers - Toolemera.com
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12th January 2014, 05:09 PM #131SENIOR MEMBER
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13th January 2014, 03:32 AM #133
Paul - I think that pdf has a "Spearior" only. Anything in the 1915 catalogue? I need to remember to order that book.
Craig - I attempted/started a thread to reference the scattered info on S&Js ... https://www.woodworkforums.com/f152/s...-saw-s-155352/
I'll add a bit more to that soon.
This might be of interest to you ...
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Thanks again!
Gents,
Thanks for the references. As far as I can tell (without access to a catalogue and the net hasn't yielded one via my Google-fu) this S&J 179 Sovereign was produced about the 1960s (from the shape of the handle). That would mean that the saw was probably used to make my father-in-law's house I'll have to check the construction photos next time we go over there!
I am going to look into ways to restore the etch, once I sort out the handle. I may as well go whole-hog on bringing this saw back as well as I can
Craig
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13th January 2014, 12:49 PM #135SENIOR MEMBER
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Gentlemen,
From the 1915 catalogue, the Sovereign is designated as No60 (formerly 1902).
Also, from the 1915 catalogue S&J made several named saws. The brand names, steel and prices (for 26" long, in shillings/dozen) among the straight back saws are as follows:
Double Mermaid - vanadium alloy steel - 124/-
Mermaid - silver steel, warranted London spring - 88/-
Leapfrog - best warranted cast steel - 68/-
Technical - best warranted cast steel - 56/-
Lloyd Davies - warranted cast steel - 42/-
Sovereign - warranted cast steel - 42/-
Aetna - cast steel - 32/-
Goblin - cast steel - 28/6
Universal - cast steel - 26/-
In some cases each "brand" is sold under several "model" numbers. For example, the Aetna the model numbers are 66, 70 and 95. Nos 70 and 95 being supplied with 1 or 2 metal side plates (on handle cheeks) respectively.
To confound the situation metal side plates were available as options for other S&J brands and models of handsaws.
The list above is not complete. There are other "brands" or types of saw listed with specific uses (miners saw, metal cutting saw, etc). The saws in the list are those likely to be encountered in secondhand markets.
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