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20th April 2009, 07:08 PM #1
someone to teach me to sharpen a handsaw.
so iv got a saw set and 6 old handsaws about to go intot eh electrolisis bath.
now all i need is some files and someone to teach me how to do it.
so anyone in brisbane that will teach them to sharpen up a handsaw.
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20th April 2009, 07:12 PM #2
Come to Sydney, I'll show ya.
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20th April 2009, 07:14 PM #3
its a bit of a drive
and i dont fly
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20th April 2009, 07:30 PM #4
Hi Weisyboy
If I'm not too late I'd like to try and talk you out of using electrolysis on your saws.
I'm a big fan of the leccy bath for some badly rusted tools but I have never had any luck with saws. It takes the rust off fine but it leaves them gray and dull and you'll never be able to polish them up to get a reflection.
the reflection of the board on the side of your saw is what keeps your cut straight and square... cutting straight with a shiny saw is 10x easier
Backed saws can be a bit of a pain unless you knock the back of them but panel and rip saws are easy, if you take the handle off them and lay them out on a nice flat surface you can hit them with a random orbital, outside if possible (really messy)
For a pretty rusty saw I start 120 and work up to about 400.. dont worry about the teeth, you'll be jointing and re cutting the tips anyway.
a quick lick with a buffing wheel and blue wax is all they need.
The spring steel in old hand saws is tough you'll be surprised how much punishment they can take.. I first leaned this when I asked a well known collector how he cleans his saws so nicely and he showed me the nastiest roughest looking wire wheel you have ever seen on a grinder.. looked like it would eat the steel in seconds, I'd never have tried something that full on without seeing his results first. The random orbital I feel just gives a more reflective and uniform finish.
I must admit that I'd only ever do this to users.. collectors saws get a different treatment.
I'll leave the sharpening advice to somebody else.. my particular style of sharpening saws probably shouldn't be promoted or replicatedBest regards, Luban
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20th April 2009, 07:38 PM #5
kk thanks mate
ill do tehm like you say
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Mobile Sawmilling & Logging Service
8" & 10" Lucas Mills, bobcat, 4wd tractor, 12 ton dozer, stihl saws.
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20th April 2009, 09:01 PM #6
Carl,
Its not that hard really. The trick is to make up a frame that supports the saw up close to the teeth. Get yourself some triangular files and make sure you have a good comfortable handle on them. You will see why by the time you get to the end.
Start by doing every second tooth and concentrate on the side that is going away from you. Make sure you look at he angle that is on the existing tooth. They will not be 90 degrees. Usually only one or two passes of the file on each tooth is required.
Then turn the saw around by 180 degrees and do the rest.
After you do a few teeth you will get a feel for it.
Now if the saw is quite bad you need to run a flat file along the tips to make the tops even. This is when you need to take more off each tooth to get it right.
You may need to use a saw set to put more set on the teeth. Usually if the saw is hard to push to cut it is either blunt or needs more set.
Have a practice on a lesser saw before you try a good one.
Some saws are extremely hard and these are more difficult to sharpen. The Sandviks come to mind.
It is very rewarding when you do the job and can tell the difference it makes.
Cheers,
Russ
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20th April 2009, 09:19 PM #7
so normal triangular files or do i need saw files? where do i get them.
how mutch set do i put on diferent saws?
the set iv got just has numbers 1 - 9 1 being finest and 9 beign corsest.
do i just gues?
iv got some old $5 handsaws i can practise on.
www.carlweiss.com.au
Mobile Sawmilling & Logging Service
8" & 10" Lucas Mills, bobcat, 4wd tractor, 12 ton dozer, stihl saws.
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20th April 2009, 09:21 PM #8
G'Day Carl
Have a read here may help http://www.vintagesaws.com/library/primer/sharp.html
Cheers
Bernie
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20th April 2009, 09:27 PM #9
G'Day Again Carl
Also if you need to make a vise to hold the saws look here http://norsewoodsmith.com/content/ja...ooden-saw-vise
Cheers
Bernie
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20th April 2009, 09:29 PM #10
Bernie,
That is a jolly good article. Describes it better than I can.
Cheers,
Russ
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21st April 2009, 04:08 PM #12
Carl,
If you are interested let's try to organize a saw sharpening day. I am sure that there would be some more learners like me and you out there. All we would need now is an instructor or two to offer advise and help.
The beauty of a saw sharpening day I would think is that no great infrastructure or space is needed I would not think.
Are there any potential instructors out there, either in Brisbane or on the Gold Coast.
Peter.
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21st April 2009, 05:30 PM #13Senior Member
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Gday
This is a great video to watch.
http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworki....aspx?id=24976
Underneath the video is a link to another short vid on what tools you need.
I got my files from the Lie Neilsen ozzie website. http://www.lie-nielsen.com.au/catalog.php?sku=files
And then I built this saw vice.
http://www.norsewoodsmith.com/conten...ooden-saw-vise
I just jumped in and had a go. Used an old gents saw i had laying about to practice on. And while I'm no expert, my saws are cutting fast, straight and with a thin kerf.
Filing for rip is easiest, but i'm going to do crosscut soon and am not feeling too phased by it.
Good luck.
Tom
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21st April 2009, 09:22 PM #14
Bunnings sell the slim taper files need for saw sharpening .That's where I got mine
A normal metal working three square file is not the one to use."Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend ,inside a dog it's too dark to read"
Groucho Marx
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21st April 2009, 09:27 PM #15
where abouts would i find them in the tools section?
there is no point in asking any of teh staff ythat duck and run when they see u coming.
www.carlweiss.com.au
Mobile Sawmilling & Logging Service
8" & 10" Lucas Mills, bobcat, 4wd tractor, 12 ton dozer, stihl saws.
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