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artme
20th August 2009, 10:49 AM
Looks like my chances of buying a lathe here that is even half decent are ziltch.

Building one will be too expensive.

Looks like I might have to import. :(

Beginning search now.

Ed Reiss
20th August 2009, 12:20 PM
...pay my expenses and I'll throw one in my pick-up and drive it down to you :cool:

hughie
20th August 2009, 12:28 PM
Looks like my chances of buying a lathe here that is even half decent are ziltch.
Building one will be too expensive.
Looks like I might have to import. :(


What exactly are you after? Importation will involve additional costs of freight GST and duty. The GST and duty will be around 15% unless you buy it from a country we have an agreement of free trade with.
Lets say you bought a Oneway 2436 2hp it wieghs in at 850lbs or 386kgs plus packing case. Cost around $6200USD or $7400AUD Duty etc if payable would be $1110 total of $8500AUD
Then you have freight costs, which could run to $500-1000, you can be your own agent but be prepared to spend several hours down at the customs get it sorted out.

Now your up to $9000AUD and One way don't actually ship to Australia

A Hegner VB36 would even be more costly but they will ship to Oz. But they are around 7000 pounds sterling...$14000AUD + freight+GST+freight Forwarder or Customs agent

I could probably build you one tailored to your specifications including freight for a better price than imported.

But you could still get a off the shelf Vicmarc or Stubby etc for a better price.

Calm
20th August 2009, 01:01 PM
Have a look at the new Stubby - well made and swivel head - get it with the bed made to your own length - takes 250 mm over the bed.

Cheers

Pat
20th August 2009, 01:13 PM
Hughie and David, Arthur is currently in Brazil . . . Not really known for the Lathes there:U

hughie
20th August 2009, 01:34 PM
Hughie and David, Arthur is currently in Brazil . . . Not really known for the Lathes there


:sorry2: My apologies Arthur, musta left my brains on the kitchen side board this

morning with the coffee :sigh:

Have a look at Eduardo's lathe in Peru would not be to hard to duplicate in Brazil

http://www.esarmiento.250x.com/shopen.htm

skot
20th August 2009, 05:50 PM
Is this link any use

http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/WL1200-Wood-Lathe/EN/index.htm


Rigid Distributor

R. Marie Sieglinde (I assume Marie Sieglinde Road)
Guarulhos
(Near San Paulo)

artme
21st August 2009, 03:20 AM
Thanks fellas.

I did look up Eduardos lathe as I had remembered it. Trouble here is finding a good machinist and getting Morse tapers done. My nephew, who is good at ferreting out stuphph, is of little help because he doesnīt mix with the likes of we scavengers.

Thanks for the link Skot. They donīt sell lathes here but I will email them and see what goes. The lathes they have listed in the States only have a #2 Morse Taper, but I coul live with that.

Very kind offer Ed.Already had a long list of people offering to be my porter before we left home. Be more appropriate to bring anything down to me in a fair dinkum ute.:D:D

RETIRED
21st August 2009, 09:20 AM
The lathes they have listed in the States only have a #2 Morse Taper, but I coul live with that. ?

bobsreturn2003
21st August 2009, 10:09 AM
easy just buy a morse taper adaptor can easily go to 4morse from 2 ! cheers bob

Big Shed
21st August 2009, 11:03 AM
Wouldn't have thought that there are too many wood lathes with a bigger Morse Taper than a #2.

As for going from a MT2 to a MT4, I was under the impression that it was possible to get adapters to down from #4 to #2, but not up?

Big Shed
21st August 2009, 11:24 AM
Well I stand corrected. Just looked up McJing and they sell Morse Taper Extension Sockets that fron MT2 to MT4.

So the MT2 goes in the headstock and the MT4 part sticks out in front.

Not sure I would want to use something like that, accuracy/run out would be a potential problem, as well as you insert a MT4 attachment and the whole thing hangs a long way out the front.

Pat
21st August 2009, 12:05 PM
Well as well as you insert a MT4 attachment and the whole thing hangs a long way out the front.


Only for the brave or the desparate!

bobsreturn2003
21st August 2009, 05:49 PM
I have a wood lathe 3 mt in tail stock and use 4 morse taper drills with adaptor , very usefull , to blow shaving out as hollow drills . cheers Bob

NeilS
21st August 2009, 08:06 PM
Arthur - guess you have seen this odd assortment.


http://www.casacoelho.com.br/produtos_produto.php?prod_key=466&lay_key=2

http://www.fobrasa.com.br/procprod1.asp?familia=113&tipo=md&status=N

http://www.rrmaquinas.com.br/canais/produtos/detalhes.asp?codLoja=865

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-102256278-torno-para-madeira-placa-de-3-castanhas-raridade-goivas-_JM

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-99784446-torno-para-madeira-c-copiador-profissional-so-aqui-vende--_JM

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-101775429-torno-para-medeiras-com-motor-_JM

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-101071652-torno-eletrico-pmadeira-370wts-lancamento-preco-imbativel-_JM


Neil

artme
24th August 2009, 07:28 AM
:doh::doh::doh:

My mistake!!

The Rikon only has a #1 morse Taper. I could - at a pinch - live with that.

artme
24th August 2009, 07:40 AM
Thanks for those sites NeilS. I had actually checked most of them out.

One of my problems is that tha I refuse to pay for less sophistication than we can get for less money on superior quality machines in Australia.

alathe listed here at R$ 1 800 plus is the equvalent ot A$ 1 200. No hollow tail or headstock, a very poor range of speeds and often poor quality assembly. I have actually looked at a couple.

Am thinking Import still.

Ed Reiss
24th August 2009, 12:07 PM
...check out the black market stuff, you know, that crate that just happen to drop off the skid all by itself and parked in your back yard:;

Edwards
26th August 2009, 04:45 PM
Thanks fellas.

I did look up Eduardos lathe as I had remembered it. Trouble here is finding a good machinist and getting Morse tapers done. My nephew, who is good at ferreting out stuphph, is of little help because he doesnīt mix with the likes of we scavengers.

Thanks for the link Skot. They donīt sell lathes here but I will email them and see what goes. The lathes they have listed in the States only have a #2 Morse Taper, but I coul live with that.

Very kind offer Ed.Already had a long list of people offering to be my porter before we left home. Be more appropriate to bring anything down to me in a fair dinkum ute.:D:D


Maybe I have been missing something all these years.
Why do you want number 4 morse taper ?
B------all fittings available and using adaptors just creates more inaccuracy.
Surely with all the good chucks on the market, they are the way to go.

Cheers
Edwards :no:

NeilS
27th August 2009, 12:19 PM
Maybe I have been missing something all these years.
Why do you want number 4 morse taper ?


Me too.

That's why I ruled out the VB36 (http://hegner.co.uk/pages/VB36_Lathes/vb36_lathes.html) ( nothing to do with the price...:B...) when I bought my last lathe, as it only had MT3...:U

The EBO Bowl Elephant (http://www.eboinc.net/index.html) comes with both MT2 and MT3, but is perhaps a bit light on if you really need MT4 holding power. I guess they have some very big trees in Brazil!

Arthur, looks like you are going to have to build your own lathe if you need to go beyond the VB36 and EBO, and MT3.

But, if Woodfast, Vicmarc and Stubby don't see the need to go to MT3 or 4, then perhaps most work can be done with MT2.

Unless you are really going big time like , a threaded drive dog will do most jobs on the headstock end if an MT2 won't hold. And, an MT2 live centre in the tailstock end will cope with a fair load. Clean MT2 tapers and sharp boring bits will also do most boring jobs.

And, as Edwards points out, most readily available off-the-shelf accessories are MT2.

Or am I missing something, too?

Neil

RETIRED
27th August 2009, 01:12 PM
Me too.

That's why I ruled out the VB36 (http://hegner.co.uk/pages/VB36_Lathes/vb36_lathes.html) ( nothing to do with the price...:B...) when I bought my last lathe, as it only had MT3...:U

The EBO Bowl Elephant (http://www.eboinc.net/index.html) comes with both MT2 and MT3, but is perhaps a bit light on if you really need MT4 holding power. I guess they have some very big trees in Brazil!

Arthur, looks like you are going to have to build your own lathe if you need to go beyond the VB36 and EBO, and MT3.

But, if Woodfast, Vicmarc and Stubby don't see the need to go to MT3 or 4, then perhaps most work can be done with MT2.

Unless you are really going big time like , a threaded drive dog will do most jobs on the headstock end On our big lathe the shaft has no Morse Taper but is just threaded. The tail stock is No3 MT because that is the way it came but we have also bent No 2's. Can't expect much more when spinning 4 tonne of timber. :Dif an MT2 won't hold. And, an MT2 live centre in the tailstock end will cope with a fair load. Clean MT2 tapers and sharp boring bits will also do most boring jobs.

And, as Edwards points out, most readily available off-the-shelf accessories are MT2.

Or am I missing something, too?

NeilIt probably would not be hard to get a shaft made in Australia and shipped over. Then fabricate the rest there. I have found on all my home builts that the biggest problem is making a good tailstock hence I use them from junked metal turning lathes.

If you are doing nothing but bowls it is not a problem.

hughie
27th August 2009, 01:59 PM
I
t probably would not be hard to get a shaft made in Australia and shipped over. Then fabricate the rest there. I have found on all my home builts that the biggest problem is making a good tailstock hence I use them from junked metal turning lathes.
I agree the headstock is a very easy to make, any reasonably good machinist can turn out a very good Headstock shaft.





If you are doing nothing but bowls it is not a problem.Yup thats about it.


The elephant lathe looks a bit complicated for a home build. In fact it looks a very complicated lathe, period.

The idea we need to go above MT2 on a wood lathe is a bit of over kill. Its the standard and it works fine. Machine shops go to MT4 and beyond but the forces involved here are massive by comparison.
In many instances bigger is not always better, but it will be more expensive