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Sheets

12th January 2010, 11:30 AM

I was hoping for a tie, but genno wins.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii152/Sheets_album/PICT1754.jpg?t=1263255043
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii152/Sheets_album/PICT1757.jpg?t=1263255068
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii152/Sheets_album/PICT1758.jpg?t=1263255090

I was doing pretty well with the ura-dashi in spite of the metal not moving and I had to keep at it until I missed:doh: I feel so ...hollow:rolleyes:

Now I have to grind about 2 mm to get past that chip AND do the ura-dashi again:((

Anyway, before I hit the smiley limit, here's pics of a WIP:
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii152/Sheets_album/PICT1759.jpg?t=1263255832
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii152/Sheets_album/PICT1762.jpg?t=1263255884
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii152/Sheets_album/PICT1763.jpg?t=1263255931 (notice the blood stain?)

I may need help with this, I plug it in but nothing happens:?

NeilS

12th January 2010, 07:47 PM

Ouch.... it sure hurts when you have to remove another 2mm of hard steel, especially if the ura is already eclipsed.

Nice WIP there, Steve.

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yojimbo

13th January 2010, 05:38 AM

Aw, Steve.. . there's no sad face on the list of smilies, but I'm sending you one... ya just can't see it.

Des.K.

13th January 2010, 06:29 AM

Commiserations Steve. That would really hurt. Still, I don't think you'll make the same miss again, so the experience won't be wasted.

Nice clean lines on the lamp. Well done:2tsup:

Des

Sheets

13th January 2010, 07:01 AM

:thanx:: everybody.

The blade was a rehab candidate from ebay (cheap, so a good one to learn on). Although, when I got it I didn't expect it to need the ura-dashi (nor quite so dull an edge). What makes me feel worse though, was last night I was sitting around and felt the need to do something more productive, so spied this kanna on top of a couple of others and thought I'd start "improving" it. My mind wasn't really in the right place for something so delicate, so should have known better. 'Course, I would probably have buggered it up even with the right state of mind, eh? Kanna say for sure:U

Des, that cabinet you posted pics for (here, in case you other guys didn't see it:
http://www.woodworkforums.com/f40/asa-no-ha-variation-daughter-111252/)
is a great work of art. I know I already complimented you on it, but such fine and careful work is really inspiring. I've yet to try it on even a small panel, but your cabinet is on a grand scale. No matter what you say, it can't be easy.

Anyway, nice (as always) talking to you guys. Now that were into the new year, hopefully we can keep the topics a little more lively than last.

Steve

NeilS

13th January 2010, 10:44 AM

Des, that cabinet you posted pics for (here, in case you other guys didn't see it:
http://www.woodworkforums.com/f40/asa-no-ha-variation-daughter-111252/)
is a great work of art. I know I already complimented you on it, but such fine and careful work is really inspiring. I've yet to try it on even a small panel, but your cabinet is on a grand scale. No matter what you say, it can't be easy.

Yes, exquisite work, Des. Lucky daughter!

BTW, for any forum members who are not yet familiar with it, Huon Pine is the queen of Australian cabinet/craft timbers (Australian Red Cedar, being the king). Huon Pine (http://www.huonpiner.com/facts.htm) is quite rare and expensive now and only gets to be used in feature work the way Des is using it. A bit like ebony, only yellow....:U

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Sheets

13th January 2010, 11:01 AM

Thanks for that link Neil. I'd never really heard of this wood - certainly none around these parts.

NeilS

13th January 2010, 03:29 PM

Thanks for that link Neil. I'd never really heard of this wood - certainly none around these parts.

Although you do have the Bristlecone Pine, the oldest living tree, growing further south on your continent. At about 3,000 years, the Huon Pine is a relative youngster... :U

PS - noticed your new avatar, Steve. Is there a story to that?

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Sheets

14th January 2010, 03:49 AM

NeilS

14th January 2010, 11:54 AM

My avatar is from the button lock I put on this box: http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii152/Sheets_album/PICT1494.jpg?t=1255459387
a close-up:
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii152/Sheets_album/PICT1486.jpg?t=1263400156

The mechanism comes from Lee Valley, but I scalloped the edges and made the bezel. All parts are brass, so I took a torch and gave it the pseudo aged look (I didn't fancy the shiny new look).

I remember the bureau and that lock button now. Nice enhancement with the scallops, Steve.

About the Bristlecone Pine, yes, I'm on a waiting list for the next one that dies so I can get some wood:D

:U.... yeah, such trees sure put things into perspective. And, if it weren't for the fact that Huon Pine doesn't decay after lying around dead in a remote wilderness river for a few hundred years (the only legal source of it now), nobody would get to use any of that either.

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Sheets

14th January 2010, 12:34 PM

"May Kodama (the spirit of the trees) be with you." (and, in the case of the Huon or Bristlecone pines, with your great, great, grandchildren too)

Anyway, here's my lamp with a temporary shade ($15 at Canadian Tire). I want to start work on an interior door before the winter is over, so I'll put off making a proper shade.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii152/Sheets_album/DSCF2029.jpg?t=1263431751

Steve

NeilS

14th January 2010, 02:45 PM

"May Kodama (the spirit of the trees) be with you." (and, in the case of the Huon or Bristlecone pines, with your great, great, grandchildren too)

.....:U

Anyway, here's my lamp with a temporary shade ($15 at Canadian Tire). I want to start work on an interior door before the winter is over, so I'll put off making a proper shade.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii152/Sheets_album/DSCF2029.jpg?t=1263431751

Very wabi-sabi, Steve.

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Sheets

25th March 2010, 02:04 PM

Its been raining for the last couple of days, so I've paused work on the door (got spoiled being able to work outside). I'm finally getting around to working on this blade since the chip episode. I bought a used honing guide on ebay so I could just grunt away on a coarse stone and not have to concentrate on keeping the bevel flat.
I took pics of the edge after 97% of the chip was gone on a man-made 220 grit stone, followed by an omura (natural coarse stone) just to compare the edge from each. Not a huge difference - the man-made stone works slightly faster. There is one pic of the edge showing how far into the hollow its gone.

I did some ura-dashi again (carefully) and have just managed to produce the thinnest thread of a flat (ito-ura). It won't take much re-sharpening before this disappears too, but I'll enjoy it while its there (assuming I get around to making a dai for it - ah, the list goes on).

I use a mild steel kanaban with Lee Valley's green honing compound to flatten the back (ura-oshi). I do have some carborundum powder somewhere in the garage, but can't seem to find it. So for now I have a one-step ura-oshi process.

I've finished sharpening with an 800 grit stone (no pics - not all that exciting). I have a couple of other kanna that need work on the stones above the 800, so when I feel like doing them all, I'll continue.