Suspend a ceiling in Shed

[WazOz]

Hi ppl, have a 30x20 Colorbong shed, and it's a mess:((, kids (adults) stuff and just yrs of hoarding, would like to get it off the floor and out of the way, nope tried getting the Kids up off the floor and out of the way, and they just keep coming back lol, anwyay how hard is it? two roller doors, no other ventialtion as of yet, needs a cpl of windows, has anyone done a suspended ceiling?, have a cpl of things I need to make, small table for Grand daughter, kitchen table, and on an opposite end of the scale, have to remove Rust, and repair my Hilux 4x4 roof, lots of panel work, so I do need some room:2tsup:.
Cheers
Waz
Mandurah
WA

[Dave J]

Hi Waz,
I thought all the stuff would already be high in a colorbong shed :rofl:

Seriously though if you shed is the type that has the C section following the roof line, you could tie the top of the wall posts together across the shed to make it into a truss and it would hold a lot of weight. You could then attach your ceiling to that. Steel would be the strongest over 20ft.
Dave

[WazOz]

Cheers Dave, will have a go, it is a C section Shed

[Dave J]

100x50 or 150x50 RHS would be good. Try your local metat yard, they somtimes have seconds that are alot cheaper and perfect for this job.
Dave

[WazOz]

Cheers Dave, know what to get, will make the back half suspended, somewhere for the Spiders to hang out, heaps of them here and Redbacks:oo:, not too fussed on those, been bitten a few times.
Cheers for the advice:2tsup:, it sure makes life easier for a wannabe DIY type.
Waz

[Strom]

Hi Waz,
I thought all the stuff would already be high in a colorbong shed :rofl:

Seriously though if you shed is the type that has the C section following the roof line, you could tie the top of the wall posts together across the shed to make it into a truss and it would hold a lot of weight. You could then attach your ceiling to that. Steel would be the strongest over 20ft.
Dave

I would hate to be the bearer of bad news but..
I believe you will need engineering approval to do this.
You would not want this ceiling coming down on top of you or worse yet on top of your grandkids especially considering you want to use it for storage !!! :no:

[Dave J]

Hi Strom,
If the shed is up and approved, theres nothing stopping him to put a up some shelves in his shed.As long as he dosn't alter the building. I don't think there would be a bloke on here that has hired an engineer to do it, and most of us have stuff overhead in our sheds. Common sense is all thats needed. It's not like your storing engine blocks up there.
Dave

[Strom]

Hi Strom,
If the shed is up and approved, theres nothing stopping him to put a up some shelves in his shed.As long as he dosn't alter the building. I don't think there would be a bloke on here that has hired an engineer to do it, and most of us have stuff overhead in our sheds. Common sense is all thats needed. It's not like your storing engine blocks up there.
Dave

Hi Dave..
I totally agree with you on putting up "Shelves"
But when you start talking about welding across the apex of the garage which is spanning 6M and wanting to create a "suspended ceiling" it sounds to me more like a mezzanine floor than basic shelving. :?

I wasn't trying to rain on anyones parade I was just advising caution !!!

Goodluck..

[WazOz]

Thanks guys for the input, shouldn't need any approval, except the wifes, not going to be stroring heavy stuff up there:2tsup:, just a Bar fridge, Weight set, the naah just kidding, will be making sure it is safe, solidly bolted into the concrete Floor, have to cut through the wooden floor, (ex Dojo of mine) also will go with as suggested, it will even hold my SIL and thats saying something:oo:, intend to only do half as I will be restoring my Hilux, after my spinal Fusion in Apri:(l, had one before and recovered quite well.
Am in no hurry as we know haste makes accidents happen, wanna keep all my fingers Toes and Head in one piece, ain't worried about the Brain, that was damaged a long time ago:club::sigh:
Waz

[Dave J]

No problem Storm,
Not sure if your familiar with those type of sheds. They don't have much room up there above the height of the walls. I wouldn't recommend welding it (not sure were that come from) as it would be gal and is best bolted to save it rusting. You wouldn't be able to have a full mezzanine floor as you wouldn't be able to get from one end to the other unless you were on your hands and knees. As he said above he is only talking about bikes and stuff, that are on the floor and in the way, more like a big shelf.
A true suspended ceiling is light weight and usually has 1200 x 300 -600 panels that sit into steel or aluminum frame, like in super markets, offices etc. They will not take much weight as they are usually hanging by chains, strips of gal flat bar or something.
Wazoz
I hope your operation goes well and sounds as if it will.:2tsup:
The doctors and specialist told me I had the spine of an 80 year old when I was 38. My back reads like a map C1 has this wrong C2 has that wrong etc,all the way down
The last operation was on a broken disk in my neck that was squashing a nerve between the disk and my spine. They operated and ground away my spine to relieve it. I was worse after the operation as the scar tissue from the operation was pushing on the other side of it.They said the would re operate but didn't advise it as it would leave more scar tissue. No way I'm going back.:no:
Regards Dave

[WazOz]

Thanks Dave, no-one can understand how bad it is to have spinal problems unless they too have similar issues, Hallelujah I don't have scar tissue involvement, pain can become unbearable, why I am going under the knife again, plus could become paralysed grom waist down, vertebrae have slipped fwd and unless they are fused, one bad knock and bingo, couldn't stand being in a wheelchair, literraly I guess.
Got too much to do here at home, Hilux needs a new roof, inside kitchen and dining room bench top need replacing, which I want to do, still a learner in regards to woodwork, but it is amzing the ideas that pop into the head at what can be done around the home.
Cheers
Waz

[Yonnee]

Hey Waz, how's the trailer going?

I did a bit of a Mezzanine floor / Shelf in my first shed (20' x 24'). It spanned across the 20' but was only about 4' deep. Three of the sides bordered the walls of the shed, and the 20' span I made up a steel truss; 75x50mm RHS beam with a 25mm sq. RHS rail 300mm above it, separated by a zig-zag of more 25mm. Similar to below...
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The two ends of the beam weren't near the shed columns, so I fixed two hardwood studs to the purlins and the steel truss sat on, and were fixed these. This meant all the weight is directly on the timber rather than relying on the shear strength of any bolts.

[WazOz]

Thanks Yonee, the trailer is going great, all thanks to you of course:2tsup:.
Many thanks for info on how you did your Shed, once fully recovered, will put the ceiling in.
Cheers
Waz