RF 40 Help Please

[whitey56]

Hi Guys

My old Autolux drill press has been on the long list of tools to replace [waiting for a cheap Waldown to come along] anyway i was at the local tips Trash & Treasure last week and there was a Herless rf40 drill and tapping machine there for $400, I went home and did the sums [new 1 ph motor etc] and thought it is a good deal, so i went back checked the quill for runout [ 5thou over surface rust] offered them $200 and they said yes.
I,ve stripped her down and apart from broken switch box,1 broken handle,little knobs bent,slightly bent table rack, the outside is reasonable.
Internally there are the 2 clutch keys[$30 each US] that engage the Power Down Feed are stripped, and in the PDF gearbox something is not right there, i'm not going inside the main g/box as you can select all gears and the oil was clean, If you guys could help me with these questions i would be most grateful.

[1] Parts, does anybody know a Aust. Co. who stocks RongFu parts the few i tried
said they would have to come from o/s
Has anyone dealt with Ereplacement Parts in the US this drill is a Jet GHD 20PFT
over there and they have all the parts.[good website]
[2] Motor, Ebay have 2hp1ph motors but they have 24 mm shafts, the1hp they have
19mm shafts the same as my 415v motor , do you think 1hp would be enough
power for a drill this size or could i use a vfd on the 415v 4pole motor [3 wires]
which i read i would need to change the wiring to 6 wires for Delta if so can you
recomend a motor winder in Brisbane and how much if you have had it done.
P.S. If you own a machine with a direct drive motor like this i would pull the
motor of every couple of years and grease the slip coupling it took me 2 hrs to
get this one apart.

Thank you

[morrisman]

You landed on your feet with that bargain :2tsup: MIKE

[Stustoys]

Hi whitey56,
Do you have some pictures, googling comes up with a few different hits for RF 40(maybe just different models over the years)

A new motor will likely cost more than a VSD. First thing to check is if your motor has the star point bought out. On the terminal block where the wires go into the motor is there 6 terminals or only 3?

Stuart

[whitey56]

Hi Stuart
Sorry mate she in bits i'll post photo's when back together if you Google worldwide Jet GHD20PFT you can see it , she's a drll and tap machine with the flat table. The Jet has more bling on it and a 2spd motor giving it 12 ratio's'
The motor has 3 terminals and 3 black wires from the motor, it's 1-5hp 1400 rpm. I can get a 1hp1ph chinese motor that will bolt on for $200 and i need a new switch so a vfd is viable
Had a win today i pulled the downfeed box apart there's slight damage to the worm gear for the fine feed, a few burrs around the selector shaft, buy 1x6202 brg and it will be good
enough for the little work i'll give it.

Thanks for your interest
Whitey

[Greg Q]

I would definitely pull or (have a sparky pull) the wiring point out for 240v 3phase. Your VFD would give you a much wider speed range than the 2-speed current model anyway...say from 20 Hz (or lower) up to 100 or so if you need that high. A sensorless vector VFD will give you better low rpm torque than a basic v/Hz model.

Nice drill press!

[whitey56]

Hi GregQ
Just searched the net on those Vector VFD's would i be right to say the cost would be around $400 delivered + the motor winder the cost will get out of hand, I've just been on the Rong FU website there's 2 drills like mine with 1hp 1ph and 1-5hp 3ph so i'm thinking go the ebay 1hp1ph motor and hope for the best, i want to buy a bit of milling gear for it so i'm watching the cost other wise i should have bought a M/D for 2k
Thanks for your help Greg
Whitey56

[Greg Q]

Well, I have always bought my VFD's used (and cheap) on ebay. A small drive like that shouldn't be much. I recommended a vector drive because it follows that slow speed will be used for turning larger bits, and you'll want some torque for that. If you just use the gearbox for that then no worries...a standard drive should do.

There are instructions online for doing the windings yourself. Your personal comfort level may not go that far however.

Greg

[whitey56]

Thanks Greg
Your right about the comfort level [a 3 din plug is my limit] I've got a sparky down the road, he's time poor and doesn't know vfd's so i thought i would do the chasing around, get what's needed and say here fit these. Back to the 1hp 1ph motor my spindle speeds are 60 to 1500 rpm over 6 gears i could always go down 1 gear to pickup torque, my biggest drill is about 1-1/4 inch which i don't think i've used.
Do you think the reversing switch would still work on 240v it's a barrel type with a black box behind it, a contactor i think their called
Thanks Mate
Whitey

[Greg Q]

Hi Whitey...Um, I'm going to plead ignorance on single phase motors. I do know that some of them can be reversed but I don't think that's always the case.

Greg

[RayG]

Thanks Greg

Do you think the reversing switch would still work on 240v it's a barrel type with a black box behind it, a contactor i think their called
Thanks Mate
Whitey

Hi Whitey,

Sorry, the reversing switch won't work for single phase, at least as it's wired, it could be re-wired to work as a reversing switch for a single phase motor, but that would require a bit of work by an electrician, I gather that's not your area of expertise.

I'd recommend you pull the motor out, take it to a motor re-winder and ask them to bring out the star point so you can run it in delta. While it's there ask them to give it a once over, check insulation etc.. It's generally a 10 minute job for a good motor rewinder.


Regards
Ray

[whitey56]

Thank you Ray, Greg and Stuart for your help, I'll look for a motor winder next week if anybody is open.

Thanks Again
Whitey 56