Veritas honing guide

[groeneaj]

Hey,

The adjuster for the micro bevel has 4 stops. 12 o'clock is whatever angle is set in the jig, there is also a stop at 3, 6 and 9 o'clock. Could someone please confirm my suspicion that each stop adds 1 degree going in a clockwise direction. The instructions say 6 o'clock adds 1-2 degrees. So it must be yeah? Or is it for something else?

I just want to make sure I'm using it right.


Thanks
Andy

[derekcohen]

Hi Andy

I am not aware of a fourth setting, only three:

1. 12 o'clock = no extra angle added.

2. 3 o'clock = 1 degree added

3. 6 o'clock = 2 degrees added (in total, not in addition).

Regards from Perth

Derek

[wolften]

...you hit it on the head Andy.
I take 3.00 6.00 9.00 o'clock as 1...2...3 degrees.
Now that you mention this I must get my Wixey (http://www.wixey.com/anglegauge/index.html#wr365) out and measure the angle.
Shall report back

cheers

[groeneaj]

Hi Andy

I am not aware of a fourth setting, only three:

1. 12 o'clock = no extra angle added.

2. 3 o'clock = 1 degree added

3. 6 o'clock = 2 degrees added (in total, not in addition).

Regards from Perth

Derek

Hey Derek,

I just checked and there is a 9 o'clock setting (4 in total).

Andy

[Mr Brush]

It is all explained in the manual.

Lee Valley Tools - Veritas® Mk.II Honing Guide (http://www.leevalley.com/US/shopping/Instructions.aspx?p=51880)

Towards the end of the document there is a table showing the angles for all combinations of hole positions on the setting jig and the 4 positions of the angle knob (marked in the table as up, back, front, and down).

[groeneaj]

It is all explained in the manual.

Lee Valley Tools - Veritas® Mk.II Honing Guide (http://www.leevalley.com/US/shopping/Instructions.aspx?p=51880)

Towards the end of the document there is a table showing the angles for all combinations of hole positions on the setting jig and the 4 positions of the angle knob (marked in the table as up, back, front, and down).

Thanks mate. Makes sense now.

Andy

[derekcohen]

It is all explained in the manual.

Lee Valley Tools - Veritas® Mk.II Honing Guide (http://www.leevalley.com/US/shopping/Instructions.aspx?p=51880)

Towards the end of the document there is a table showing the angles for all combinations of hole positions on the setting jig and the 4 positions of the angle knob (marked in the table as up, back, front, and down).

I'm sorry, but I think you are wrong. The honing guide may have three settings, but only two of these add to the bevel angle. I'd be quite embarrassed to find out I am wrong since I have been involved with this tool from its pre-production stage.

Here is a diagram of the settings (which are as I described them to be earlier on - there is no 9 o'clock position):

http://www.veritastools.com/Content/Assets/Diagrams/EN/05M0901D.gif

Link: Veritas Tools - Sharpening - Mk.II Honing Guide (http://www.veritastools.com/products/Page.aspx?p=144)

Edit: I think that you are seeing the backbevel options, not the microbevel options.

Regards from Perth

Derek

[pmcgee]

Hmmm - I don't know the demarcation between Lee Valley and Veritas but these two links are different.

The link given by Mr Brush also links to a pdf which ends:

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The pdf link on Derek's Veritas Tools link actually points to the same document - but the pdf info is different to the web page.

The pdf definitely states eg:
Standard Angles, Hole F, Arrow -Up 25deg, -Back 25.5deg, -Front 26.4deg, -Down 26.8deg
Which to my mind translates to primary bevel 25deg, +micro bevels of +0.5, +1.4 and +1.8deg.

There is the similar info for "High Angles" and "Back-Bevel Angles" also.

I think the product development people might be ahead of the web design folk.

Paul McGee

[derekcohen]

Hi Paul

Here is another link to follow, this time for the MK I. It uses the same roller as the Mk II ...

Veritas Tools - Sharpening - Sharpening System (http://www.veritastools.com/Products/Page.aspx?p=119)

Regards from Perth

... and Merry Christmas ...

Derek

[Mr Brush]

pmcgee - that's exactly what I think (sorry Derek....)

The table covers intermediate angles on all three scales of the setting guide, standard angles, high angles, and backbevel angles.

I've used these settings when I wanted an angle not covered by the fixed settings marked by pin holes - just troll through the tables until you find the figure closest to what you are after, then adjust the setting guide and roller wheel accordingly. Whether it is supposed to work or not, I'm afraid it does.....:D

I'd say Lee Valley are far too efficient to have incorrect instructions up on their webpage !

Merry Crudmas to one and all :2tsup:

[groeneaj]

The pdf definitely states eg:
Standard Angles, Hole F, Arrow -Up 25deg, -Back 25.5deg, -Front 26.4deg, -Down 26.8deg
Which to my mind translates to primary bevel 25deg, +micro bevels of +0.5, +1.4 and +1.8deg.

There is the similar info for "High Angles" and "Back-Bevel Angles" also.

I think the product development people might be ahead of the web design folk.

Paul McGee

This is what is puzzling me now. As I have 4 settings on mine as per the instructions. There seems to be two different instructions, one with +1 degree and one with the increments you mentioned above.


Thanks and Merry Christmas

Andy

[NCArcher]

Here is a diagram of the settings (which are as I described them to be earlier on - there is no 9 o'clock position):

http://www.veritastools.com/Content/Assets/Diagrams/EN/05M0901D.gif



Sorry Derek, I just checked on mine and there are definately four positions on the eccentric roller. Those instructions are out of date.

[Vann]

I have to agree with others. There are four settings on the roller and each gives a slightly different angle, and the differences vary depending on the basic angle.

e.g.if you want a basic angle of 30° :

Using Standard Angles (hole H) 12 o'clock will give 30.0°; 9 o'clock = 30.4°; 3 o'clock = 31.7° & 6 o'clock = 32.1°

Using High Angles (hole E) 12 o'clock = 30.0°; 9 o'clock = 30.4°; 3 o'clock = 31.4° & 6 o'clock = 31.8°

All according to Lee Valley data (refer Table 1 of the user manual).

Sorry Derek.

Cheers, Vann.

[derekcohen]

I have to agree with others. There are four settings on the roller and each gives a slightly different angle, and the differences vary depending on the basic angle.

e.g.if you want a basic angle of 30° :

Using Standard Angles (hole H) 12 o'clock will give 30.0°; 9 o'clock = 30.4°; 3 o'clock = 31.7° & 6 o'clock = 32.1°

Using High Angles (hole E) 12 o'clock = 30.0°; 9 o'clock = 30.4°; 3 o'clock = 31.4° & 6 o'clock = 31.8°

All according to Lee Valley data (refer Table 1 of the user manual).

Sorry Derek.

Cheers, Vann.

Hi Vann

If a secondary microbevel is defined as a small bevel (the micro part) at a greater angle than the preceding angle (the secondary part), then the 9 o'clock setting is not adding anything significant (at least 1 degree) over the 12 o'clock setting (according to the figures above).

Sorry guys. Still not convinced :)

Merry Christmas and ..

Regards from Perth

Derek

[Vann]

If a secondary microbevel is defined as a small bevel (the micro part) at a greater angle than the preceding angle (the secondary part), then the 9 o'clock setting is not adding anything significant (at least 1 degree) over the 12 o'clock setting (according to the figures above).

Sorry guys. Still not convinced :)Agreed, none of the figures given in Table 1 for 9 o'clock give more than a half degree increase over the 12 o'clock figures. Mind you, some of the 3 o'clock figures are also less than a 1 degree increase, while others are 2 degrees or more.

We're not saying all four positions are necessarily useful, just that they do exist, that Lee Valley have include them in the table, and that they're not necessarily 1 degree steps.

But I'm being pedantic....:B

Have a good Christmas.

Cheers from NZ, Vann.