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Grumpy John
3rd April 2012, 10:11 PM
Over the past couple of years I've had operations on the left hand and right arm for Carpal Tunnel and Ulnar Nerve Damage respectively and I've not done much turning in the last 12 months. Last week I spent about 5 hours at the lathe over two days to produce a small platter, which was a result of Tea Lady and prodding me to get back in to turning. Well unfortunately my right hand and to a lesser extent the left have been aching since last Thursday. I'm hoping that the pain is a result of not doing much turning, however I doubt it. I've made an appointment with my specialist for mid May and I'll wait till then before I make any rash decisions. Unfortunately I think that there's going to be a lathe, bandsaw, turning tools and quite a bit of other gear on the market in the next couple of months.

Acco
3rd April 2012, 10:13 PM
Sorry to hear this Grumpy, hope you get some good news

Groggy
3rd April 2012, 10:23 PM
:whs: Sorry to hear that John :(

Sturdee
3rd April 2012, 10:31 PM
Very sad to hear that John, hope you are wrong in your self diagnosis and that something can be done.

Peter.

cookie48
3rd April 2012, 10:52 PM
That is not a good thing to hear. Sorry about the troubles. Here is hoping your specialist might recommend some sort of wrist gaurd for you.

tea lady
3rd April 2012, 11:01 PM
:C Maybe you will have to start working with wood that is not moving? ::oo:

DavidG
3rd April 2012, 11:24 PM
Having had both carpel tunnels done and the trapezoidal bone removed from the left hand all I can suggest is exercise.

The doc made me do hand and finger exercises and things gradually improved.
Hands still ache after a turning but that is the price of getting old.

Fight through it and don't let it get you down.

_fly_
4th April 2012, 01:06 AM
Keeping my finders crossed for ya. Hoping its just from long stint after long lay off.

Old Croc
4th April 2012, 07:59 AM
Hi John,
Would you please explain for us that dont know, how your conditions happened. Can the rest of us learn from you, how to prevent these conditions happening to us.
regards,
Crocy.

bhedgesdipalo
4th April 2012, 08:34 AM
I'm very sorry to hear your bad news. Perhaps you did too much in the one day. Next time try to break down the task into smaller timeslots of turning. Maybe that way you can still enjoy what you love doing and not be in too much pain. I have a neck problem which will be operated on after June/July, which causes a lot of pain all the way down my right arm. I am restricted to turning Pens unfortunately for the timebeing. If I make too many pens in the one go I do suffer as I am suffering today. Made 5 Pens yesterday and am feeling it today. I wish you all the very best and take care of yourself. I've been learning Turning for approx 18 months and didn't get too far with larger projects but have great (Mates) support around me teaching me for when I will be able to turn a Bowl one day. One is as young as they feel. Never let anyone tell you that you are old at 60. 80 is old so you are still very young...............Looking forward to hearing good news from you.

Grumpy John
4th April 2012, 08:51 AM
Hi John,
Would you please explain for us that dont know, how your conditions happened. Can the rest of us learn from you, how to prevent these conditions happening to us.
regards,
Crocy.

Carpal Tunnel Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpal_tunnel_syndrome)
Extract from Wikipedia article.
"Work related
The international debate regarding the relationship between CTS and repetitive motion in work is ongoing. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupational_Safety_and_Health_Administration) (OSHA) has adopted rules and regulations regarding cumulative trauma disorders. Occupational risk factors of repetitive tasks, force, posture, and vibration have been cited. However, the American Society for Surgery of the Hand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Society_for_Surgery_of_the_Hand) (ASSH) has issued a statement claiming that the current literature does not support a causal relationship between specific work activities and the development of diseases such as CTS.<SUP id=cite_ref-25 class=reference>[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpal_tunnel_syndrome#cite_note-25)</SUP>
The relationship between work and CTS is controversial; in many locations, workers diagnosed with carpal tunnel syndrome are entitled to time off and compensation.<SUP id=cite_ref-Derebery_2006_26-0 class=reference>[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpal_tunnel_syndrome#cite_note-Derebery_2006-26)</SUP> In the USA, carpal tunnel syndrome results in an average of $30,000 in lifetime costs (medical bills and lost time from work).<SUP id=cite_ref-NINDS_2009_27-0 class=reference>[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpal_tunnel_syndrome#cite_note-NINDS_2009-27)</SUP>
Some speculate that carpal tunnel syndrome is provoked by repetitive movement and manipulating activities and that the exposure can be cumulative. It has also been stated that symptoms are commonly exacerbated by forceful and repetitive use of the hand and wrists in industrial occupations,<SUP id=cite_ref-Werner_2006_28-0 class=reference>[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpal_tunnel_syndrome#cite_note-Werner_2006-28)</SUP> but it is unclear as to whether this refers to pain (which may not be due to carpal tunnel syndrome) or the more typical numbness symptoms.<SUP id=cite_ref-Graham_2587.E2.80.932593_29-0 class=reference>[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpal_tunnel_syndrome#cite_note-Graham_2587.E2.80.932593-29)</SUP>
A review of available scientific data by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_for_Occupational_Safety_and_Health) (NIOSH) indicated that job tasks that involve highly repetitive manual acts or specific wrist postures were associated with incidents of CTS, but causation was not established, and the distinction from work-related arm pains that are not carpal tunnel syndrome was not clear. It has been proposed that repetitive use of the arm can affect the biomechanics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomechanics) of the upper limb or cause damage to tissues. It has also been proposed that postural and spinal assessment along with ergonomic assessments should be included in the overall determination of the condition. While addressing these factors has been found to improve comfort in some studies,<SUP id=cite_ref-Cole_2006_30-0 class=reference>[31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpal_tunnel_syndrome#cite_note-Cole_2006-30)</SUP>
Speculation that CTS is work-related is based on claims such as CTS being found mostly in the working adult population, though evidence is lacking for this. For instance, in one recent representative series of a consecutive experience, most patients were older and not working.<SUP id=cite_ref-31 class=reference>[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpal_tunnel_syndrome#cite_note-31)</SUP> Based on the claimed increased incidence in the workplace, arm use is implicated, but the weight of evidence suggests that this is an inherent, genetic, slowly but inevitably progressive idiopathic peripheral mononeuropathy.<SUP id=cite_ref-32 class=reference>[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpal_tunnel_syndrome#cite_note-32)"</SUP>
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Ulnar Nerve Entrapment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulnar_nerve_entrapment)
Extract from Wikipedia article.
"This problem is similar to carpal tunnel syndrome but involves a completely different nerve. Symptoms include a feeling of pins and needles in the ring and little fingers, and may progress to a burning pain in the wrist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrist_pain) and hand followed by decreased sensation in the ring and little fingers. One common cause of this syndrome is from pressure of bicycle handlebars seen with avid cyclists. Another is from hard, repetitive compression against a desk surface while using a computer mouse."

From what the specialists/surgeons have told me it is caused (in my case) by bad work practices. I was a fitter and turner for 35 years and my hands were subject to a lot of neglect. I'm guilty of being lazy, in that instead of bothering to pick up a hammer to tighten a machine vise I would use the heel of my hand and just "thump" the handle tight. A BIG no no. This and a lot of vibrating air tools has left my hands pretty well knackered. The operations have relieved the symptoms and pain, however it appears that I can no longer indulge in my woodturning as the vibrations from the tool handle cause the pain to return.
I'm 60 years old now and grew up in a time when "safe work practices" were not as prevalent as they are now. Quite a few people say that we're living in a nanny state, and to a certain extent I agree. However if I had my time over again I'd be picking up that hammer every time, I'd also be wearing my ear muffs as I'm pretty hard of hearing as well.

Anyway, as I said, I'm going to see the specialist in May and hopefully things may not be as bad as they seem :fingerscrossed:.

Cliff Rogers
4th April 2012, 09:41 AM
instead of bothering to pick up a hammer to tighten a machine vise I would use the heel of my hand and just "thump" the handle tight.
I keep a rubber mallet next to my lathe & use it on my cam lock levers.

Grumpy John
4th April 2012, 09:47 AM
I keep a rubber mallet next to my lathe & use it on my cam lock levers.

...if all you have is a rubber mallet, everything looks like a nail...

Phil Spencer
4th April 2012, 10:02 AM
Sorry to hear about your health issues, I hope you can resolve it.

steck
4th April 2012, 10:27 AM
Hi John,
I am sad to hear about your problems.
I hope the specialist has good news for you.
:fingerscrossed:

bench1holio
4th April 2012, 11:15 AM
john, you might pay to invest in some of those gel impact gloves for when your turning, they definately help lower the vibration.

Cliff Rogers
4th April 2012, 11:40 AM
...if all you have is a rubber mallet, everything looks like a ...
... cam lock lever.

Old Croc
4th April 2012, 11:51 AM
[QUOTE=
I'm 60 years old now and grew up in a time when "safe work practices" were not as prevalent as they are now. Quite a few people say that we're living in a nanny state, and to a certain extent I agree. However if I had my time over again I'd be picking up that hammer every time, I'd also be wearing my ear muffs as I'm pretty hard of hearing as well.

.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for all of the info John, it is interesting how these things develop. I will have to rethink hitting the camlock lever on the big metal lathe, as I do use the heel of my hand to do up and undo it repetativly. Lets hope the doctors can give you some relief. I am 58, so can mirror your bit about ear muffs, I have had both my ears repaired, but the left one has gone down over the last year, so I toddled off to a specialist, and he said he cant redo the repair, it is a one off, it is now nerve damage, so a hearing aid for me.
regards,
Crocy.

Grumpy John
4th April 2012, 12:58 PM
It's not just cam-lok levers but spanners, allen keys, banging a hubcap on with the heel of your hand. Constant use of the heel of you hand can/will over time cause damage. The thing is when we're young we think we're invincible and none of these things will affect us in later life. At work I'm always going on to the "young ones" about safety and the need to think about the consequences of your actions, I've seen too many lives ruined as a result of workplace accidents.

joevan
4th April 2012, 02:44 PM
Hello John,
Sorry to hear that and I hope that not all is lost. I know of 2 woodies in our club (Eltham) that have had CTS and had their operations and after many hours of execise are back into general wood work and turning again. Lets hope things will look better after you have seen the specialist.

Joevan.

Allan at Wallan
4th April 2012, 02:53 PM
Hi John,

Hope things improve for you shortly and you can
get "back to the front".

Best wishes.

Allan

Woodwould
4th April 2012, 03:14 PM
John, CTS surgery is a very minor affair these days requiring only one or two sutures. You'll be home again the same afternoon and recovery is very speedy. There's no reason why you can't be back turning in a week or so.

arose62
4th April 2012, 05:06 PM
I keep a rubber mallet next to my lathe & use it on my cam lock levers.

What an eye-opener! I read the post above the quote, about thumping machine vice handles with the heel of a hand, and immediately thought "Whew! I always used the big copper mallet for that", and never thought about thumping the woodlathe camlocks (which I used to do, regularly, up until about 3 seconds ago).

So, John, best wishes for your hands, and thanks to this thread (& Cliff), my hands are now a bit safer!

My Dad was a DLI safety inspector (Dept of Labour & Industry - predecessor to WorkCover), I worked at WorkCover for 4 years, I have my kids trained to grab safety glasses if there's a machine or tool running in the shed or garage when they enter, I still have all my fingers, toes & eyes, yet I never even considered that thumping camlocks could be A BAD THING. :B

Cheers,
Andrew

tea lady
4th April 2012, 05:54 PM
There are "right" spots on the heel of the hand. :cool: The meaty bumps rather than the middle of the palm. Or the side edge of the hand, like a karate chop. But it is prolly still best to have a hammer of some sort cos you really need a black belt to do it proper like. Or just do up tight not super tight. :U

Grommett
4th April 2012, 07:02 PM
Rotten news John. Let's hope for a good outcome.

Cliff Rogers
4th April 2012, 09:59 PM
...Or just do up tight not super tight. :U
I have one that slips if I don't give it a thump.

dai sensei
4th April 2012, 10:06 PM
No good Grumpy :C

You will just have to concentrate on that photography whilst on the mend and hopefully in time and a few mods will come good.

Grumpy John
5th April 2012, 10:04 AM
Thank you all for your kind thoughts and wishes. Neil, I have been concentrating on the photography lately and the slippery slope re. accessories and gadgets is just as steep as the one for wood turning :(.

tea lady
5th April 2012, 07:14 PM
Was wondering today if it was sanding that did it. If I try and sand with a little bit of paper in a clenched fist my whole arm cramps up. (from a previous injury ) I have to use a big bit and ...... :hmm: Its hard to explain. Anyway, no clenching the hand.

Paul39
7th April 2012, 01:02 PM
Was wondering today if it was sanding that did it. If I try and sand with a little bit of paper in a clenched fist my whole arm cramps up. (from a previous injury ) I have to use a big bit and ...... :hmm: Its hard to explain. Anyway, no clenching the hand.

I have that problem also, even with no injury. Make yourself some sanding paddles like a wooden spoon, rounded one side, flat on the other, with a big fat handle, get some double sided foam tape and stick on sandpaper torn to size. Use the rounded side for inside bowls, and the flat for outside.

Recently I acquired an angle drill and 1, 2, and 3 inch sanding disks and holders in grits from 80 to 320.

I can now go from a split 1/2 log to ready to finish in 2 hours. Assuming an 8 to 10 inch bowl.

I think you recently also discovered power sanding.

ticklingmedusa
7th April 2012, 03:17 PM
Ahhh man, sorry to hear it.
Hurts like hell. CT hit me at age 40, like an electric shock.
Pain is a terrible distraction when turning.
I haven't opted for the surgical repair because of the downtime involved.
I pound mine constantly using the chair...
rolling at the beach for exercise and the daily stuff just moving about.
I'm using a handcycle more than the chair now for exercise.
I'd probably need the repair again in a fairly short time.
It doesn't stay fixed if you keep doing the damage.
I've wrapped my gouge handles hoping to absorb some of the impact
& my Thompsons are in oversized handles.
On the quill lock I've pulled a piece of vinyl tubing over the metal to soften
the impact. I keep a vinyl coated dead blow mallet within reach .
I'm still turning 15 years later but I plan on hurting the next day
and there is tylenol in the toolbox all the time now.
I know of two turners that are 90 years old here in the states...
they must be doing something right.
If you are young try to take care of your body the same way
you take care of the rest of your tools.
"The human hand is the finest tool ever created but it is weak and fallible."
Note to self: use mallet , not hand! :doh:

Old Croc
7th April 2012, 09:33 PM
Since Grumpy John raised this thread and Cliff added the comment about using a mallett on the camlocks, I have been watching how I do things. Over the last 3 days I have done a fair bit of work on the metal lathe, and guess what, I hit the main camlock on the tool post, the camlock on the quick change toolholders and the camlock on the tailstoc about 100 times over the 3 days.:o Holy Crap, what damage have I already done. 45 years of doing this is hard to break, but I have adjusted to using 2 different soft faced hammers, and it is starting to become natural.
Grumpy John, lets hope you do recover and are able to continue with some woodturning,
regards,
Crocy.

TTIT
7th April 2012, 11:26 PM
Odd as it might seem to those who know how I work, the only safety tip that ever sunk in when I was doing my apprenticeship in the 70's was 'DON'T belt the screwdriver handle with your palm' to start wood-screws in the meter boards. The old timer that told me had already stuffed his hand and to this day I hesitate, weigh up how much pressure is needed, and find another way if I think it will damage me.

Don't sell the farm yet GJ - there has to be some sort of treatment that will work for you or some other way of achieving the same result at the lathe - we've all seen people painting with their teeth right! - think "Beaver" :;

Grumpy John
8th April 2012, 08:28 AM
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Over the last 3 days I have done a fair bit of work on the metal lathe, and guess what, I hit the main camlock on the tool post, the camlock on the quick change toolholders and the camlock on the tailstoc about 100 times over the 3 days.
..................................................
regards,
Crocy.


Odd as it might seem to those who know how I work, the only safety tip that ever sunk in when I was doing my apprenticeship in the 70's was 'DON'T belt the screwdriver handle with your palm' to start wood-screws in the meter boards. The old timer that told me had already stuffed his hand and to this day I hesitate, weigh up how much pressure is needed, and find another way if I think it will damage me.
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As I stated in an earlier post, it's not just camlocks, but any hand tool that can get you into trouble. As Vern said it can be a little thing like starting a wood screw, or chiselling out a pocket for a hinge to sit in. Think about the last time you undid a really tight bolt, did you reach for a hammer, or did you give it a thump with your palm. There is also the vibration coming off the tool when roughing out big blanks that causes problems. Maybe I gould start turning pen blanks :no:.

sanhui
9th April 2012, 02:12 PM
I'm sorry hear that,best wishes to you

dogcatcher
10th April 2012, 02:10 PM
In 2000 I had a compression of the spinal cord, I lost most of the feeling and use of both legs, Along with surgery and about 6 months of rehab I went from a wheelchair to a walker and now use a cane or walker. At first my woodworking was on hold, I couldn't stand and I had no balance. I did get rid of my table saw, joiner and some of the other tools.

I kept my lathe, and the tools I needed to use it. I have a stool to sit on, and the lathe is set lower than normal. It took a some time to build up my strength, at first I would only spend a short time in the shop. It took almost 2 years to get where I could spend the better part of day in the shop. Even today I still have problems if I try to over work the old body. It took time, and common sense to keep my shop time, but if I try to over work myself, I get to stay inside for a while because it will be to painful to try to make anything.

All of this has taught me to look at different and better ways to get things done. I also quit the hurry up factor, taking my time may take take longer, but it also keeps my body parts working better and with less pain. I still have my "stupid" days, but after I get up the next day, I know better than to do it very often.

Grumpy John
16th April 2012, 10:33 PM
I'm really hoping that I don't have to give up the turning and have been looking on the net for some possible solutions and think that either or both of these products may help, gloves (http://www.aerotechdesigns.com/gloves.htm) and/or tape (http://www.active.com/cycling/Articles/Ready-for-the-Rough-Handlebar-Gels-and-Tapes.htm). It could get expensive if I have to tape all my chisel handles. Apparently cyclists can suffer similar nerve damage caused by vibrations off the road being transmitted through the handlebars. Anyway, I'll mention these products to my specialst and see what she has to say.

TTIT
16th April 2012, 11:02 PM
Those gloves have gotta be worth a shot - anything so you can keep turning :2tsup: - but I reckon you'd have to get a pair of those shorts on the right to complete the outfit :rofl:

dai sensei
16th April 2012, 11:31 PM
I bought a set of gel-filled gloves from http://www.otbproducts.com.au/store/index.php?cPath=1_11, but also with steel wrist supports (http://www.otbproducts.com.au/store/product_info.php?cPath=1_11&products_id=24), for when I am chainsawing. Certainly helps my arthritis.

rsser
17th April 2012, 09:11 AM
Can I suggest some post-surgery rehab at the hands (cough!) of a specialist? It works like any rehab from ortho surgery, where possible to reactivate the nerve pathways and muscles that've gone on holiday leaving other, wrong ones, to make up the gap.

Look for a qualified hand therapist. They are occupational or physiotherapists who have done further training in hand/arm/shoulder work.

I have a lax thumb from an old injury that fires up under static load but a specific soft splint, a custom hard splint and exercises prescribed by the therapist allow me mostly to do what I want to without pain.

I also had the start of CTS in the left hand two years ago and started therapy for that but it all went away when the right wrist was broken and the left hand had to do everything for several months. That surprised the therapist and is obviously not going to make it to the list of Medicare rebatable treatments but it shows that changing the pattern of use can have benefits.

Will PM you some more info GJ.

Paul39
17th April 2012, 11:32 AM
I'm really hoping that I don't have to give up the turning and have been looking on the net for some possible solutions and think that either or both of these products may help, gloves (http://www.aerotechdesigns.com/gloves.htm) and/or tape (http://www.active.com/cycling/Articles/Ready-for-the-Rough-Handlebar-Gels-and-Tapes.htm). It could get expensive if I have to tape all my chisel handles.

Bike shops assume bikers all ride $3000 custom made bikes and have budget for accessories to match.

Have a look for padded mechanics gloves.

One could get a sheet of closed cell foam that back packers use for sleeping on the ground. Cut into a strip and wind in a spiral around a a gouge or chisel. Then wrap with duct tape or your favorite cloth tape.

There is also foam pipe insulation in various sizes that can be warmed and slipped over the tool handles. Some of them are quite thick and absorb a lot of vibration.

There is a black foam rubber used for insulating air conditioning pipes that is quite "dead". Whack it against a table top and it goes thud, with almost no rebound.

The gel stuff is nice, but other things may do just as well for much less $$.

I have found that If I do certain activities for a short while then something else, I do not have as much trouble with pain or cramping.

I will cut up wood for the boiler, start a fire, go turn a bit, add to the fire, cut up some wood, turn a bit more, add to fire, put a bowl on and sand a bit, cut up wood, final sand and apply a coat of rubbed in Tung oil. Wash up and go to bed.

At the lathe I will rough an outside, put that aside, put on another bowl, sand a while, put on another and add a coat of Tung oil, etc.

I try to use a different set of muscles every 15 to 30 minutes.

Years ago when first turning I would go on for hours, completely absorbed. Later I would have terrible hand cramps, back ache, sore arms, etc.

I'm 72, and have parts of me that are almost used up, so I try all sorts of work arounds in order to keep turning and doing all the other things that amuse me.

rsser
17th April 2012, 11:46 AM
+1 to varying the way the hand is used.

And if you get a flare-up, the RICE routine can help. Taping, a snug neoprene glove or soft splint helps with the Compression part. But they may help or hinder the biomechanics of the hand.

Panadol Osteo is a slow release anti-inflammatory with no side effects in most people and is a pharmacy medicine (paracetamol). Taking that half an hour before you start work may help.

barney2804
21st April 2012, 03:45 PM
hi, I'm new to this forum stuff, but to help me at work i use raquet grips on my tools. it helps too make them padded and non slip as well. It's cheap readly available. Hope your specialist has good news.:)

Paul39
22nd April 2012, 11:19 AM
hi, I'm new to this forum stuff, but to help me at work i use raquet grips on my tools. it helps too make them padded and non slip as well. It's cheap readly available. Hope your specialist has good news.:)

Good idea, thanks. I have been looking for bicycle handle bar tape at discount stores but have not found any. At bicycle shops the stuff is priced as gold plated.

rodent
23rd April 2012, 12:53 AM
Sorry to hear that john :(, when i was a shop steward ( STUPID ) i went through a health and safety course . I couldn't get many to apply safety measures to the way they did things . I used ear muffs and can still hear a pin drop . But moved the wrong way once and tore my back up . I am now teaching a 9 year old to turn , he hasn't got much strength so it's up to the mallet to tighten some things . Not bang your hands on leavers etc . His projects so far are 3 egg cups i dibbler , 2 tool handles , 1 top , 3 pens . Next is a heavier mallet , we are making the handles and tools too suit him so the turning is enjoyable and safe for him now and in the future .

Grumpy John
8th May 2012, 12:37 PM
Things are looking positive. I did about 3 hours solid turning last Saturday, no fancy gel glove or soft tape on chisel handles, I just modified my grip on the handle (i.e. not a death grip). I also visited the wet grinder more frequently to keep a sharp edge on the tool, it's amazing how much difference these two simple changes have made. There has been absolutely no pain in my hand since Saturday and I have cancelled my appointment with the specialist. Thank you everyone for all the support and kind words, it meant a lot to me as the thought if giving up a hobby I greatly enjoy was getting me down.

Paul39
8th May 2012, 12:46 PM
JOY AND HAPPINESS!! I hope it continues. :hpydans:

steck
8th May 2012, 12:50 PM
:woot::wave::hapy::clap3::clap::thewave:

_fly_
8th May 2012, 12:51 PM
Yay, Glad it worked out. And saved a fortune on specialist fees.

Mulgabill
8th May 2012, 01:47 PM
Sounds very promising GJ:2tsup: I hope it keeps going in that direction.

ticklingmedusa
8th May 2012, 02:19 PM
Adapt and overcome :2tsup:

rsser
8th May 2012, 05:28 PM
Good news GJ.

Acco
8th May 2012, 06:55 PM
Woohoo, great news :2tsup:

TTIT
8th May 2012, 07:56 PM
A positive attitude can overcome more obstacles than your GP ever will! :2tsup::2tsup:

munruben
9th May 2012, 07:49 AM
Gee! and I already had your lathe at the top of my list..:) Great news GJ Keep on keeping on mate. :2tsup::2tsup:

Old Croc
9th May 2012, 02:16 PM
Adapt and overcome :2tsup:
GJ, nice to hear of your improvements. :2tsup:Thanks to you starting this thread, and the info you freely offered, I have followed TM's advice and adapted and overcome. I now have mallets and softfaced hammers on ALL my machines to do the hitting,
Regards,
Crocy.

rsser
9th May 2012, 05:07 PM
Among all of us with ailments that I know about TM is the most qualified to speak.

Adjustment and self-management made it onto a WHO declaration on the meaning of health.

Course it's PITA for those of us who still think we're 25 y.o.

rodent
9th May 2012, 11:48 PM
And riding motor bikes .Then really the statement below qualifies i think .But we all do things we shouldn't but we pay for it afterward , then come's the nagging from everyone that we were stupid :doh: . All i can usually say is yes but it seemed a good idea at the time .:D

Robomanic
15th May 2012, 12:59 PM
That's great news GJ

bobsreturn2003
21st May 2012, 04:23 PM
had the same thing and used a bowen therapist to effect a cure , took about 3 visits . well worth a try if you can find one . as the medical fix is protracted, best regards Bob

nz_carver
21st May 2012, 06:27 PM
That's grat GJ!!!
I think that bungy jumping must have helped
In getting the body back in to shape :U

Ruddy
21st May 2012, 06:59 PM
Grumpy John.....so good to hear that you are getting on top of this. Go out into the shed and make the most of it.

Grumpy John
21st May 2012, 09:12 PM
Grumpy John.....so good to hear that you are getting on top of this. Go out into the shed and make the most of it.

I've been giving the shed a good clean up in anticipation of making making a hell of a mess with shavings :D. I've got a small bowl on the go at the moment.

springwater
21st May 2012, 10:00 PM
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