Horizontal mill, what make is this one???

[Dave J]

Hi,
I picked up this old horizontal mill when I bought the Alba shaper a while back. I just found a picture on the computer so I thought someone might know what make it is.

It is an old line shaft model and has a MT3 taper, table is around 800 x 230mm and the machine stands about 1400mm and 1000mm deep to give you an estimate of the size. When I got it it had a electric motor mounted on a swivel plate bolted to the side of the column. So someone has converted it over at the expense of grinding away some of the casting to get the belt to fit through.

It's an imperial machine (even though I gave metric above, LOL) and the only thing on it is a Demco badge, but they sold everything.
Also as can be seen it has power table feed and the coolant pump also run off the spindle. The power feed has a 4 speed gear box as well as a range of pulley sizes on the back that feed it.

The spindle bearings are the plain type, and the outboard support has a taper bush where you tighten it up take up any wear in it ( I wish they had of done on the HM52)

http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=209165&stc=1&d=1337524730

http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=209166&stc=1&d=1337524730

http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=209167&stc=1&d=1337524730

Dave

[matthew_g]

What a cracker you have there Dave..WELL DONE.!!!!!!!!!!
I would be lost without my big horizontal mill.
Mate your shed is half the size of mine, And mine is FU*&%#@ full.
How in the lords name are you squeezing all this gear in?
Congrats on your new toy.
Matt

[aametalmaster]

I don't know but it looks like a keeper. Maybe have a look around Tony's site and if your isn't listed and you do find out what it is send him some pics...Bob
lathes (http://www.lathes.co.uk/page21.html)

[Anorak Bob]

Is the ruler hiding battle scars Dave? If not then that table appears to be in good nick. Nice looking little mill.

BT

[Dave J]

What a cracker you have there Dave..WELL DONE.!!!!!!!!!!
I would be lost without my big horizontal mill.
Mate your shed is half the size of mine, And mine is FU*&%#@ full.
How in the lords name are you squeezing all this gear in?
Congrats on your new toy.
Matt

Hi Matt,
Not a new one, I picked it up back when I bought the Alba shaper, but only just came across these few photos of it last night.

Dave

[Dave J]

Is the ruler hiding battle scars Dave? If not then that table appears to be in good nick. Nice looking little mill.

BT

I am pretty sure it's not hiding anything Bob, but that photo was I while so I will double check and take another photo of it without.

The other Bob,
Thanks for that, I did have a look when I got it, but found nothing and have never seen another one like it.

Dave

[Abratool]

Dave
Could be a Denbigh.
Not sure if the spelling is correct, but it looks like that type of Mill.
regards
Bruce

[Dave J]

Thanks Bruce, :2tsup:
They made them strong back then, cast iron coolant tank, LOL
I also like the telescopic knee screw and I am pretty sure it headed for the HM52 once I put the riser on. On the HM52 I would either run out of screw with a riser, so it's either raise the mill up to clear a longer one, or drill a hole in the concrete like some of the older horizontal mill, neither of them is happening so this screw will fit the bill just nicely.

Dave

[SurfinNev]

Looks like the one near bottom of this page. Actually come across it searching Google pics for Denbigh.

Page Title (http://www.lathes.co.uk/pallas/)

Nev

[Dave J]

Hi Nev,
You have hit the nail on the head thee, thanks.:2tsup:
A few small differences, but it looks like it's a Pallas mill (at the bottom of the page)and it states it is not British made but foreign made, which I know Demco where importers of foreign made machines.

Dave

[SurfinNev]

I kinda like the Pallas H00 mill here.

Model Steam Engineers - Pallas milling machine (http://www.unionsteammodels.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1250884394/6)

Bit like a Hercus.

Nev

[Dave J]

Is the ruler hiding battle scars Dave? If not then that table appears to be in good nick. Nice looking little mill.

BT

Hi Bob,
I checked it and no big scars, just a few very small ones that looks like something has been dropped here and there, but not in that spot where the ruler was. I think I placed it there for scale for the size of the machine.

You can see a patch on the front where I gave it a rub with a scourer to see what it was going to come up like and it also has a bit of green paint on it.
http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=209224&stc=1&d=1337593529

Dave

[Dave J]

I kinda like the Pallas H00 mill here.

Model Steam Engineers - Pallas milling machine (http://www.unionsteammodels.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1250884394/6)

Bit like a Hercus.

Nev

I have a small one like that here as well, but in pieces and has a squarer over arm. I will grab pictures latter and post them up.
It also has power table feed.

Dave

[Dave J]

Here are a few more pictures which confirms it is just like the one in the link from Nev.

This is where they ground out the casting for more clearance of the motor belt.
http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=209225&stc=1&d=1337594039

The helical back gears

http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=209226&stc=1&d=1337594039

Another shot of the butchered casting

http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=209227&stc=1&d=1337594039

The tapered bronze bush for the horizontal support, which can be adjusted to take out wear along the way.
You tighten the out board nut on it, which pulls the bushing into the taper more and closes the bushing down on the arbour sleeve.

http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=209228&stc=1&d=1337594039

Dave

[Bryan]

I also like the telescopic knee screw and I am pretty sure it headed for the HM52 once I put the riser on.

So no plans to resurrect the old girl Dave?

[.RC.]

Looks a bit like my old Pallas, but my Pallas was different slightly..

[Dave J]

Hi Bryan,
At this stage I really don't know. When I bought the shaper the guy said he had a milling machine for $200, and after looking at it I bought it as well.
So it really owes me near nothing, and when you look at buying a table for a shaper off ebay it will cost you that or more for one.

I have no plans to pull it down any time soon, I only posted because I found the photos, so it will just sit there while I decide.
If I pull the screw and thats it, I will put another back in it the same pitch and then probably sell it on, not sure as yet.

Dave

[Dave J]

Looks a bit like my old Pallas, but my Pallas was different slightly..

A lot of similarities between them, but I think yours has a bigger table and it looks like it swivels as well?

Dave

[Greg Q]

Dave, my 1948 Deckel had a Demco badge, but it looks much newer than your badge, which makes me think pre-war. (As if the line shaft wasn't clue enough)

Greg

[Dave J]

Demco seemed to sell a mix of machines from what I have seen, it would go well in Phil's shop with the line shaft set up.

If I do eventually sell it, I will have to mod the flat belt into a V belt like in the link from Nev, thanks again for that Nev.:2tsup:

Dave

[Steamwhisperer]

Demco seemed to sell a mix of machines from what I have seen, it would go well in Phil's shop with the line shaft set up.

If I do eventually sell it, I will have to mod the flat belt into a V belt like in the link from Nev, thanks again for that Nev.:2tsup:

Dave

If it was pre 1912 Dave I would be all over you like a rash. Ya gotta love line shafting.

Phil