I got abused in a carpark yesterday [Archive]

Chrome

26th May 2012, 09:51 AM

I feel for you, I truly do...

Whilst I'm in reasonably good health (apart from being quite a bit overweight), my wife has a disabled badge (as they're known as in the UK). Whilst she does drive herself, occasionally I'm driving for her and we're both late 40-somethings. Outwardly she looks fine, and works through the pain often (which can be crippling on occasion). She has breast cancer (for the second time) and extensive secondary bone cancer too throughout her spine, hips, ribs, skull and pelvis, which means she is classed as terminal and it's degenerative. She's currently on a cocktail of about 26 different tablets each day, regularly has to dose on liquid morphine and is undergoing regular chemotherapy (for the third time in the last two years). Luckily this time the course has not resulted in her losing her hair. So like I said above she looks just as 'normal' as anyone. Whilst she is not a wheelchair user (yet), she can't walk too far when she's having a 'bad day' and when we visit the supermarket, she is often holding herself up using the trolly.

However, when we park in the disabled badge holder area, despite having the badge displayed we often get muttered comments from other 'older' disability badge holders about how we're obviously abusing the system. I sometimes think that they are judging us and think we have a badge because I'm a bit fat. It's also very annoying when non-badge holders have taken some of the spaces and we're forced to walk much further. I'm forced to bite my tongue as I could get very angry if I let lose.

My wife says she feels like saying to them... "You obviously want to benefit from my parking space, do you want my medical conditions too?"

We try not to let these sorts of things get us down though and generally look on the bright side of life. We still have a lot to be thankful for... We don't want to become bitter like those others who do abuse people like us.

Cheers, Chrome

opelblues

26th May 2012, 09:56 AM

Not to worry karma is a wondererful thing, I stood I front of a disabled bay last night, and wached a a man, with a name bage still on his shirt. "workplace saftey officer" park his JAG, get out an wlik in to the video store. The funny part was when he came out their was a ladie in a wheelchair waiting for him, man she could swear.

You carn't get that entertainment on TV,

tea lady

26th May 2012, 12:05 PM

not to worry karma is a wondererful thing, i stood i front of a disabled bay last night, and wached a a man, with a name bage still on his shirt. "workplace saftey officer" park his jag, get out an wlik in to the video store. The funny part was when he came out their was a ladie in a wheelchair waiting for him, man she could swear.

You carn't get that entertainment on tv,:d

bsrlee

27th May 2012, 10:59 AM

Wanna be enforcers every where. An acquaintance was abused extensively the other day by a woman for chasing his small son who was doing the usual small child in a park thing & running away. She started running around the park (major sports field) calling him a pedophile & demanding people call the Police. Maybe they need to put something in the water supply.

jimbur

27th May 2012, 05:47 PM

SAISAY

27th May 2012, 10:37 PM

Sounds as if there is something in the water already that allows these idiots to connect their brains to their mouths.
Cheers,
Jim
Actually, I believe their brains are in neutral whilst their mouth is in overdrive.
Cheers
Wolffie

damian

28th May 2012, 10:20 AM

Would never happen in Brisbane because all the disability spots are taken by cars with no permits....

I was told by a work college the other week they have actually proved that people are ruder in Brisbane now than Sydney, the long time national benchmark. I'd suspected it for some years. Don't know how it was "proved" but there you go.

The boss has chronic fatigue and a number of associated conditions. At a glance she looks just fine and doesn't like to tell people how sick and how much pain she's in, so a lot of misunderstandings ensue.

I always bristle when the yuppie socialists tell us how much better modern Australia is. The anonomyous society riddled with jack attitude.

jimbur

28th May 2012, 01:32 PM

Actually, I believe their brains are in neutral whilst their mouth is in overdrive.
Cheers
Wolffie
It was a lot easier when they just went, "Duh?":D
Cheers,
Jim

robyn2839

26th January 2013, 07:40 PM

SAISAY

26th January 2013, 08:03 PM

It never ceases to amaze how some of these people get these permits,I quite often have to park long distances from where I am going,and I see these what I call able bodied people dart out of their car s ,with a spring in their step,and toddle off to the coffee shop for a few hours ,I forgot to mention I have a permit also but I won't use it if I don't need to,see the wheelien scooters,one to a parking spot,I received my ofirst knee on Monday ,next one in three months,well that's the plan,and then I will be handing back my permit,like so many others should "..................bob

Sometimes, when I have had enough painkillers, I too can manage a "spring in my step" and sometimes I even go and have a cup of coffee.
I cannot use my walker as I cannot control it ith one hand and my left arm is lame so I use a shopping trolly.
Sometimes I even forget to put my permit up..
The new blue national permits are a helluva lot more difficult to get than the red State ones that are being phased out.
Maybe I should hand in my permit?
Lucky you that your disability is temporary, for most it is a life sentence.
Judge not that you yourself shall not be judged.

robyn2839

26th January 2013, 10:14 PM

Sometimes, when I have had enough painkillers, I too can manage a "spring in my step" and sometimes I even go and have a cup of coffee.
I cannot use my walker as I cannot control it ith one hand and my left arm is lame so I use a shopping trolly.
Sometimes I even forget to put my permit up..
The new blue national permits are a helluva lot more difficult to get than the red State ones that are being phased out.
Maybe I should hand in my permit?
Lucky you that your disability is temporary, for most it is a life sentence.
Judge not that you yourself shall not be judged.
This post was not a go at you,but you and many others know exacly what I am talking about,you see them every time you go out shopping,I don't know if they are drugged up to get a spring in their step,and there I s no suggestion that you should hand back your permit,I was just making an observation,bob

KBs PensNmore

26th January 2013, 10:55 PM

My wife says she feels like saying to them... "You obviously want to benefit from my parking space, do you want my medical conditions too?"

If it were me in that position I sure as hell would say that!!!!!!
I to have a disability, annoyed by lazy people that take a disabled spot, when they are not at all disabled, using Mum or Nan's permit as "they were in the car the other day!!!!!!!"
A note on the National Permits keep them out of the sun, they do not last long at all, they disintegrate very quickly.:((
Kryn

SAISAY

27th January 2013, 08:05 AM

I have some notes in the car saying "Where is your permit?".
I stick that under their windscreen wiper.

coffenup

31st January 2013, 09:55 AM

I am one of the ones that will be having to get a permit soon as I am half crippled most days getting harder to walk further than 100 mtrs before stopping when I have a good day I can do 500 mtrs but can not stand longer than 20 mins before my legs go numb I also have heart probs but still not allowed to get a pension need to be worse.
I always think that the shopping centres should increase the number of car parks for the disabled. As the nation ages people should be more considerite as not all disabilities are easily seen
Regards Michael

dabbler

31st January 2013, 11:10 AM

I'm a permit holder. Sometimes I need it, sometimes I don't and I generally park accordingly (I prefer shade to convenience).

And sometimes my able-bodied wife and chauffeur uses it to collect me. Readers/forum members without permits or permit-holders in the household who think that everyone displaying a permit should be visibly physically disabled need a reality check. It"s worth pointing out they are Parking Permits not driving permits.

Sure - some people abuse permits and the permit systems but they're outnumbered by others with no permit at all and no need for one but still choose to occupy a permit space when they nick into the newagent, go to the fish and chip shop or collect cash at the atm.

I'd miss my permit if I became ineligible but I'd much rather not need it at all.

The Bleeder

31st January 2013, 11:59 AM

My wife says she feels like saying to them... "You obviously want to benefit from my parking space, do you want my medical conditions too?"

I have a friend who is in the same situation.

The other week when I took her shopping the 'evil' stares just got to her and she snapped.

In a calm voice she described her condition with this statement at the end..

'My condition is terminal, so what's your disability as I'd like to swap'

There was quite a few people around when this was said and the looks on their faces said it all (stunned mullets). They had no reply to come back with.

Last sunday another one of her friends took her to the same supermarket and while he was in another aisle getting something she collapsed.

No less than 10 (previous a$%3holes) came immediately to her assistance.

So I say let'em have both barrels and ask if they want to swap.

DSEL74

31st January 2013, 04:37 PM

I don't know about other regions but most of the shopping centres around here have 30% or more bays allocated to various groups including, Disabled, Parents with Prams, and seniors. The parents with prams I think is a bit over the top. It doesn't take mush to push a pram, these could go to more deserving groups.

What I think is ridiculous is my cousin was born with one leg due to crop spraying affecting the fetus. Anyway he periodically has to update his permits etc and has to get a medical exam to prove he is still disabled…………………Since when to missing limbs suddenly grow back??? The stupidity of the bureaucracy:(( It annoys the hell out of me if he hasn't got enough to deal with.

Phil Spencer

31st January 2013, 08:28 PM

My wife has a disabled parking permit, one day at the local shopping centre I was pulling into a disabled parking bay and this old fart pulled up behind me and started dancing around like he was about to pee his pants and started raving on that he was older than me and had a permit and he needed me to move so he could have the parking spot. I calmly walked to the back of the car and opened the boot and asked if he would like to help me assemble my wife's wheelchair. I then pulled my self up to my full height looked down on him and pointed out that he had two good legs so he could F&%(#ing walk he sulked off back to his car and moved off it looked like he was trying to hide under the dash. Bystanders applauded me.

rhancock

31st January 2013, 11:02 PM

As a parent, I want my children to walk as far as possible before they go into the shops to be tempted by eye level chocolate, Wendy's donuts and the ubiquitous fast food outlets. However, I'd rather they didn't get flattened by someone else touring the car park looking for a space as close to the doors as possible.

The parent with pram spaces aren't the same as disabled spaces, they're not so parents don't have to walk as far, they're so parents don't have to try and cross multiple roadways with small children. We actively choose shopping centres with decent kids spaces, where there is a safe path from the car to the shops, and the kids complain if we go to our closest shops (Stafford City) as getting inside is like playing Frogger (http://www.classicgamesarcade.com/game/21607/frogger.html).

I will challenge people without kids who park in the kids spaces. I also use the Look on apparently able bodied people parking in wheelie spaces.

When I'm at the shops with the 6 and / or 7 year olds, we make a point of not parking in the kids space so they can practise gambling their lives with the traffic.

SAISAY

8th February 2013, 08:21 AM

I believe people overlook the fact that the pram spaces are made wider for a reason.
Try to open a rear door wide to get a child out of a child seat or even a pram and you are bound to bang your door into the car parked next to you, especially if they are parked by a driver who doesn't know how to park between the lines and not on them or even halfway across them.
My only grudge is that the shopping centres seem to provide more pram spaces than they do disabled ones.
No, I do not have any children but I have observed parents struggle with a normal sized car park.

No, there is one other grudge :U
Most outdoor parks have shade provided except for the special ones.
It seems the proprietors believe that being parked close to the doors is all we need and do not need shade as well.
They seem to forget that getting in and out of the special places take longer than it does for able bodied people and standing in the hot sun whilst getting into the car and then also have to get into a boiling hot car is not promotional to your health :oo:
Not all shopping centres have underground car parks.

Big Shed

8th February 2013, 08:33 AM

I can understand the need for wider car park spaces for people with prams, what I can't understand is why these wider spaces are invariably allocated right next to the entrance of most shopping centres.

People with children in prams are usually young and able bodied, why do these spaces have to be closer to the entrance?

damian

8th February 2013, 03:24 PM

I have a slightly different take.:rolleyes:

If the car displays a disabled sticker then it's ok to park in the disabled spot. If it doesn't (and they are usually european brands that do this where I frequent) it's not ok to park there.

As for disability wars, well first come first in IMO...

Likewise if the owners of a carpark choose to reserve spots for prams, homosexuals, funny hats that's ok too. It's their property we are on (people forget that) and their business. If I don't like a businesses policies I decline to do business with them.

The boss has no sticker. I'm not sure if she could get one, neither of us has enquired. On the days she is that hard up she stays in bed. We don't park in those spots, ever. We do however use the disabled if the other toilets are full and there is no one apparantly about needing that facility. Not ideal but neither of us hang about so any inconvenienct would be, should be, small.

And don't talk to me about parking. Here in brisbane they really break me sometimes. I really think sometimes everyone in Brisbane should have their drivers licences revoked and made to prove they can drive over again. I had occasion to drive through Sydney last october a couple of times and it was SO RELAXING after driving in Brisbane all these years.:o

rhancock

8th February 2013, 09:47 PM

I actually don't want the kids spaces closer to the entrance. What I think they need is a SAFE route from the car to the shops, as determined by someone pushing a trolley loaded up with enough food for a week, and pushing / towing 4 kids aged from 1 to 8. Toombul shopping centre has a well protected route from the door to the lower car park, with the only roadway crossed by a zebra crossing - just about as good as it gets. 253390

rustynail

19th February 2013, 06:53 PM

Its Saturday night in the local Hungry Jacks car park. The kids have gone in to get a burger. I wait in the car. The spot next to mine is disabled parking, in front of the store entrance - makes sense. Police patrol wagon pulls up in said spot, Three burlies and one girlie get out and head for the door. I wind down the window and say, "Hoy, its disabled, you cant park there." Girlie returns to "Taxi", glares at me and moves to another spot. Meanwhile, a Burly goes to the rear of my car and jots down the number.
I guess we have disabled coppers or is it disfunctional?

DSEL74

20th February 2013, 08:32 AM

Meanwhile, a Burly goes to the rear of my car and jots down the number.

I guess your on their hit list now………Just because you enforce the law doesn't mean your beyond it. Good on you for reminding them.

Northstar

20th February 2013, 09:34 AM

A few years back here in the US we had a bunch of Division 1 college basketball players steal badges and use them until they got caught. The judge gave them a slap on the wrist. I think a 6'9" 280 pound 20 year old should have been put in the nick and left there until enough blood got to his brain from his feet to engage it.

doug3030

24th February 2013, 08:40 AM

Here in brisbane they really break me sometimes. I really think sometimes everyone in Brisbane should have their drivers licences revoked and made to prove they can drive over again. I had occasion to drive through Sydney last october a couple of times and it was SO RELAXING after driving in Brisbane all these years.:o

Damien, I had a week's holiday in Brisbane last November, coming from three years of living in Melbourne.

By comparison to Melbourne, Brisbane drivers are absolute angels. I quickly realised that by force of habit from living in Melbourne, I was by far the most aggressive one on the road, and I had to tone it down considerable. Brisbane drivers GIVE you your space on the road, GIVE you right of way when it is yours. In Melbourne you have to assert yourself or they will basically force you off the road.

If they drive even nicer in Sydney then it has changed a lot since the last time I drove there.

In Brisbane I was also surprised about the politeness of the pedestrians and commuters. People on trains and busses were giving up their seats for others, even when there was already vacant seats on the vehicle. They would give them up because they were closer to the door so the old lady did not have to walk along half a carriage. This happened a few times in the week. In Melbourne I witness daily people with walking frames and walking sticks and even guide dogs just being ignored and left to stand.

To me, when it comes to rudeness, Melbourne is the undisputed world capital.

Doug :((

damian

24th February 2013, 10:56 AM

No no no. Your missing the point. Half the drivers in Brisbane are from melbourne, as you say looking for someone to kill. The other half are locals who drive around in a coma. The reason they give each other so much room is to avoid even more crashes than we already have here.

In melbourne you have a mono culture of aggression, here you've got a pack of rabid dogs mixed in with comatose bunnies ... :)

My partner keeps getting upset as we drive across town but I've just accepted any trip you make in brisbane where you don't get hit is a win.

Sydney drivers are all focused on the job at hand. Yeah they expect you to only need an inch front and back to merge, but at least they are predictable and have a basic competence controlling the car.

I literally see people barely able to stay on the bitumen along straight flat roads in good weather. They just pull up in the middle of an arterial road for no reason, pause for a while then drive off, and don't even get me started on merging or pausing when the lights go green or....100 other stupid things they do.

Big Shed

24th February 2013, 11:52 AM

Doug and Damian, I can see neither of you have driven much in Adelaide:no:

Until you do you don't know the meaning of aggression on the road.

I lived in Adelaide most of my live and visit there quite a few times a year and every time I come back I am blown away by the behaviour on Adelaide roads, not helped by having 3 lanes at most traffic lights that merge in to 2 straight after the intersection.
I don't think I have ever seen as many traffic lights in any other city, Adelaide roads are just packed with traffic lights and I am sure that contributes to people's impatience on the roads there.

Even though I live in Bendigo I visit Melbourne very often and I never experience real aggression on Melbourne roads, if I indicate to change lanes in Melbourne 99% of drivers let me in, in Adelaide that signal is a prompt for someone to block me out.

doug3030

24th February 2013, 12:13 PM

The reason they give each other so much room is to avoid even more crashes than we already have here.

Funny you should mention crashes - on our last day in Brisbane I commented to my girlfriend that in the whole week we had not seen a crash or even been held up in a traffic snarl created by a crash. In Melbourne they seem to replay the same crashes at the same locations with different cars about the same time every second day and the traffic banks up for hours.

I have driven in Jakarta, where the traffic is bumper to bumper literally 24/7, yet they are very courteous and you only have to flick your indicator once to have a space open in the lane next to you, because they know that it might be them who want to change next. I had no trouble changing lanes in Brisbane either, but in Melbourne you soon learn that if there is a gap in the traffic DO NOT INDICATE, just change, because as soon as you do indicate the rude idiots will deliberately close the gap as soon as you indicate that you want it.

Damien, if you find driving in Brisbane to be scary, come to Melbourne and be prepared to be terrified. I was driving a friend's car in Brisbane. I would not take the chance of driving a friend's car in Melbourne. I would not lend out my car to my best friend to drive in Melbourne. The risks are too great. Brisbane is still just like an oversized country town.

Doug

doug3030

24th February 2013, 12:47 PM

Doug and Damian, I can see neither of you have driven much in Adelaide:no:

Until you do you don't know the meaning of aggression on the road.

I have spent quite a bit of time in Adelaide. I was posted there for four years when I was in the army. That was late 70's and early 80's. It was pretty good back then, far better than sydney or Melbourne but not as good as Brisbane. I visited Adelaide a couple of times about 3 years ago and the conditions are pretty terrible. The road system was substantially the same as it was in the early 80's but the volume of traffic was probably double, compacted on the same road system. I did not find the drivers anywhere near as aggressive or inconsiderate as they are in Melbourne. they are just frustrated, not aggressive. :no:

rustynail

24th February 2013, 06:00 PM

I have spent quite a bit of time in Adelaide. I was posted there for four years when I was in the army. That was late 70's and early 80's. It was pretty good back then, far better than sydney or Melbourne but not as good as Brisbane. I visited Adelaide a couple of times about 3 years ago and the conditions are pretty terrible. The road system was substantially the same as it was in the early 80's but the volume of traffic was probably double, compacted on the same road system. I did not find the drivers anywhere near as aggressive or inconsiderate as they are in Melbourne. they are just frustrated, not aggressive. :no:

You must have been driving an APC.

damian

5th March 2013, 01:23 PM

I was thinking about this the other day. I occurred to me I am less scared on a motorcycle in Sydney than I am in a car in Brisbane.

I can only imagine you've been really lucky. When we have a ig crash here, say on the pacific which is south east of the city, the whole city gridlocks, that is the roads north and west also stop. That doesn't happen in Sydney.

Personally I don't find Sydney drivers aggressive but maybe I'm used to them. It's the unpredictability of Brisbane drivers that scares me so. They will literally do anything at any time. It is rare that I go anywhere more than a few kilometers without a near miss.

I also saw more crashes happen in front of me the first 12 months in Brisbane than I'd seen in 30 years in Sydney. One was a double fatality.

Anyway, I just wish you all good luck and safety wherever you drive.

A Duke

5th March 2013, 02:41 PM

If you want aggression, just drive in any of those places with an ACT number plate.
Regards

Mutawintji

5th March 2013, 02:55 PM

dabbler

5th March 2013, 04:16 PM

Ahhhh ....... The disabled car park .... That fabled oasis in the vast thirsty desolate car park desert.

I pulled in at Aspley Shopping centre a few years back. I was in a hurry, a delivery. All the disabled spots were empty.

I parked in one, a disabled person parked beside me ... gave me a dirty look ... but not to worry I was off and running.

I got back to the station wagon, 5 minutes, fully loaded .. only to find he had placed two tek-screws in the valve stems of the rear tyres .. both were flat .. and he was no where to be seen.

Ok ... ok .. OK !!! ... but why was he carrying tek-screws ? Did he know I was coming ??

cool bananas ... greg
Can't comment on why someone would have tek-screws in their vehicle. Presumably because they have uses for them.

As to this particular use of tek-screws ? Well, you were warned and another driver - quite possibly another person running a delivery - knew just how useful tek-screws could be and besides that never even charged you for them.

Some of us who have permits, choose to use nearby parking spaces when they are available just so PERMIT spots are available to other PERMIT-HOLDERS. Even when we are in a hurry.

My excuse officer ? I was in a hurry and....

Just sayin'.

Mutawintji

5th March 2013, 04:34 PM

I'm not complainin .... tho a few murderous thoughts crossed my mind with havin to buy a battery compressor in the shopping centre that day as well as runnin late ... !!!!!

But later, sanity returned ... do the crime, do the time ... :peace2: ... I even admired his courage later on because it was a brave act regardless. I could have returned at any moment. He was an old fella and disabled, and anyone could lose it if they found someone letting their tyres down.

cool bananas ... Greg

rustynail

6th March 2013, 01:02 PM

So if you had returned and found an old fella letting your tyres down, what would you have done that would have labelled him as brave? Shorely you wouldnt stoop to knocking the s##t out of a disabled old bloke, as well as park in disabled parking?
As a certain singer once said, "Why are people so unkind?"

Mutawintji

6th March 2013, 10:17 PM

doug3030

6th March 2013, 11:03 PM

What would you have done to teach me a lesson ? What would you decree as suitable punishment ?

cool bananas ... Greg

The punishment should be determined by the law, not some self-styled, old, disabled vigilante with a pocket-full of tek screws.

I am sure Mutawintji believed that it was a calculated risk to park in the disabled spot, and one taken in the knowledge that there were six spots vacant so no disabled person would be disadvantaged. While what he did was technically wrong, who is the victim of his actions? Nobody was inconvenienced but him.

Even if he had taken the last spot, it is wrong for someone to take the law into their own hands and disable his vehicle. In fact you have to wonder about the mentality of the person who was so offended that he had parked in one of many vacant spots that they disabled his vehicle, thereby preventing him from vacating the valuable resource for a considerably longer period of time.

Doug

Mutawintji

7th March 2013, 07:35 AM

The punishment should be determined by the law, not some self-styled, old, disabled vigilante with a pocket-full of tek screws.

I am sure Mutawintji believed that it was a calculated risk to park in the disabled spot, and one taken in the knowledge that there were six spots vacant so no disabled person would be disadvantaged. While what he did was technically wrong, who is the victim of his actions? Nobody was inconvenienced but him.

Even if he had taken the last spot, it is wrong for someone to take the law into their own hands and disable his vehicle. In fact you have to wonder about the mentality of the person who was so offended that he had parked in one of many vacant spots that they disabled his vehicle, thereby preventing him from vacating the valuable resource for a considerably longer period of time.

Doug

Man !! .... I don't know why, can't quite put my finger on it, but for some reason I like this post. The phrase 'A Solomon comes to judgment' springs to mind.

As you point out, this guy did not have a problem with me, or the carpark, but a problem with the world, whom he held responsible for his problems. Hence, he went about 'armed' looking for revenge. He had seriously inconvenienced himself and his wife as well, as they could not do their shopping in that center that day as planned. He had not learnt, for all his years, to live at peace within himself.

The author, Thomas Mann, a German, whose books were burnt by the Nazis, in 1900 published a very short story, a few pages long called, 'The Road to the Churchyard' about a 'disabled' guy called Praisegod Piepsam.

Its a good read, and deals exactly with this issue, if you can find it. Very hard to find.

I'm autistic, but for me this is a bonus feature, not a disorder (Haahaa)

From me, live life without regret, its all good ... Greg

Sturdee

7th March 2013, 09:00 AM

While what he did was technically wrong, who is the victim of his actions? Nobody was inconvenienced but him.

Doug

The victim of this crime is society. Laws are made to be obeyed not broken at will.

Next you'll argue that you can speed provided that no accident occurred or double park in a street because it's a quiet street.:((

I agree taking the law in his own hand is wrong, I would have taken some photos with my phone camera and gone to the police or council and insist that they fine him accordingly.

Peter.

doug3030

7th March 2013, 02:49 PM

The victim of this crime is society. Laws are made to be obeyed not broken at will.

Peter.

"Laws are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools."
(Solon, the Lawmaker of Athens, d. 559 BC)

I think there is a huge difference between "borrowing" one of a number of vacant disabled car parks for a short time and potentially life-threatening behaviours like double-parking in front of schools and speeding.

Doug

Mutawintji

7th March 2013, 03:06 PM

I said Solomon ... perhaps I should have said Solon.

Wow ... You have kept your old grade 3, 4, 5 school readers like me. I'm 58 and still have my readers, still read them. HaaHaa

cool bananas ... greg

Sturdee

7th March 2013, 04:14 PM

"Laws are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools."
(Solon, the Lawmaker of Athens, d. 559 BC)

I think there is a huge difference between "borrowing" one of a number of vacant disabled car parks for a short time and potentially life-threatening behaviours like double-parking in front of schools and speeding.

Doug

Doug, your quote is claptrap and a red herring trying to confuse the issue rather then justify this situation.

Breaking the law is breaking the law.

Whilst there are differences in degree of one crime to another, and then the punishment is different, illegally parking is still illegally parking, whatever spin you try to put on it.

Peter.

Mutawintji

7th March 2013, 04:30 PM

Whilst there are differences in degree of one crime to another, and then the punishment is different, illegally parking is still illegally parking, whatever spin you try to put on it.
Peter.

There are two crimes aren't there ?

Illegally Parking and Wilful Damage.

Which do you see as the greater ? You have already given your judgement on one, your honour.

I would have taken some photos with my phone camera and gone to the police or council and insist that they fine him accordingly.

Fine $35.00 to $60.00 ... Fair ?

So now, your honour, whats your decision on the next. Wilful Damage which you have recorded with your camera, because you were there. Now you have gone to the Police and you are insisting they fine him accordingly. (this crime carries a possible jail sentence)

Because, after all ......

Laws are made to be obeyed not broken at will..... there are differences in degree of one crime to another, and then the punishment is different, whatever spin you try to put on it.

Your sentence, your honour ?

cool bananas ... Greg :roll:

doug3030

7th March 2013, 04:35 PM

Doug, your quote is claptrap and a red herring trying to confuse the issue rather then justify this situation.

Breaking the law is breaking the law.

Whilst there are differences in degree of one crime to another, and then the punishment is different, illegally parking is still illegally parking, whatever spin you try to put on it.

Peter.

Hi Peter.

I did not say that it was right. I just said that it was wrong to compare an offence that at the worst causes someone some inconvenience to potentially life-threatening behavior like speeding and double parking. Making that comparison is the only "claptrap" or "red herring" in this thread. Who, other than yourself, have even alluded to the suggestion that someone might be looking to use this as a justification for speeding or double-parking? Personally I cannot see any sensible comparison between the two.

Peter, there is a whole spectrum of colours out there; not everything is black and white. Lighten up! And thats it for me, I'm out of this thread, before it gets any more ridiculous.

Doug :2tsup:

Sturdee

7th March 2013, 04:39 PM

One crime only, and that is the illegal parking.

As to the inadequately of the fine incurred that is another matter, personally I think it should be dealt with the same as under the hoon legislation, confiscation for one month for the first offence. Doubt that a second offence will ever occur again.

My taking photos of the crime from the outside of the car, without touching it, is not a crime. Reporting same to the appropriate authority is a citizens duty according to law.

Peter.

Mutawintji

7th March 2013, 04:48 PM

I'm gone too.

Thanks Sturdee ... Carpe Diem

cool bananas ... Greg

rustynail

8th March 2013, 07:38 AM

No ... Of course not ... But he didn't know that ? So .. Thats courageous, to place yourself at risk when the outcome is unknown.

There were about six of these spaces ... All vacant. Still vacant when I returned, including the one he had parked in. His wife was in the car. It just seemed to me a bit over the top ... Two tyres ? I only have one spare, wouldn't one have been enough to teach me a lesson ? My own mission was urgent, for others, not myself.

We all have our own problems ... I hadn't actually set fire to an orphanage, or stolen from the Salvation Army fund in order to laze on a tropical island paradise ?

I was just in a hurry.

What would you have done to teach me a lesson ? What would you decree as suitable punishment ?

cool bananas ... Greg

I drive a minibus ,on occasions, for the local old peoples home. Once a week they go on a "shopping spree." Our local shopping centre, to their credit, has placed several disabled parking spaces, side by side, which affords enough room for the bus while leaving two extra spaces for cars. Unfortunately, the larger than usual number of spaces often leads to non permit bearing vehicles availing themselves of a space, usually in the middle, so I am unable to park.
Your punishment? He should have screwed the tekscrews in each side of your head, to let the dirty water run out.

Phil Spencer

8th March 2013, 10:35 AM

No ...

What would you have done to teach me a lesson ? What would you decree as suitable punishment ?

cool bananas ... Greg

shove the car up your .... lets say where the sun don't shine

AliS

12th March 2013, 12:20 PM

Its amazing how angry people get about parking. Just talking about parking is making people angry in this thread!

I don't like feeling angry so about 5 years ago I started getting all my supermarket groceries delivered to my house instead of having to drive to the supermarket and find a park. The supermarket people do all the packing and its delivered to my house with a smile :). I know people reading this will try to pick holes in my solution by saying that sometimes you just need to buy a couple of things and don't want to do a whole order. Sure I get that sometimes, and I always notice how much more stressed and tired I feel on the days I have stop into the supermarket or malls for just a few things. One angry confrontation can stick in people's minds for years, even decades. That's why I pay the extra $10 for delivery and save myself years worth of accummulated anger :)

SAISAY

13th March 2013, 05:45 PM

I would love to have home deliveries but, unfortunately, they only exist in the cities.
For us it is a 45 km round trip to buy anything at all so, when we get there and some idjit thinks he/she is above the law and parks in the reserved spaces, it ticks me off big time.

jdp

20th March 2013, 05:56 PM

I saw what I thought was a young chick with huge sunglasses on, pull into a disabled spot and no visible disabled badge. I looked at her and then tapped the large disabled sign shaking my head in disgust. I then walked into Coles, looking back over my shoulder I saw a very old and obviously disabled woman clamber out of her car with difficulty. I scurried off and tried to hide in the fruit & veg, but she had seen me and gradually made her way to my hiding spot where she politely, but firmly explained to me that she was 82 and had had a double hip replacement operation the year before and that she was legally entitled to park there. Looking down at my feet I sheepishly apologised. On the way out I checked and there was a disabled badge there, I had just missed it. A lesson to be learned!

souwester

2nd April 2013, 11:20 PM

Yes JDP, can be embarrassing for some...

I have been in and out of a wheelchair for the past 26 years...

At the moment I am just walking, last 6 years I have had a good run using a painkiller that makes my muscles relax enough to walk but! thats a big butt now, I am suffering more every day, even tho I still walk but thats because I am very stubborn and my wheel chair is not motorised so if I have to use it, i'll be buggered altogether(I have no strength in my arms to push it anywhere)..

I have found Disabled parking bays are rarely used by people that are not disabled in some way, but not all display there permit.

I have people look at me as if I dont deserve a permit as I get out and walk away from my car.. They don't know that I can walk a small distance with no problems then I have to get back to my car(and yes I quite often go too far away)..

Its deceiving about some injuries, and noit knowing a person makes you the fool rather than the consciencous(silly word) person if you speak too soon..

We can all get a lesson in understanding by just giving others a chance rather than being too quick at judging them.. Maybe one day they will be the one that gives you a hand up when you need it..

Ok I have had my 2 bobs worth, i'll go back to my rock now:;

doug3030

3rd April 2013, 08:24 PM

Its deceiving about some injuries, and not knowing a person makes you the fool rather than the consciencous(silly word) person if you speak too soon..

We can all get a lesson in understanding by just giving others a chance rather than being too quick at judging them.. Maybe one day they will be the one that gives you a hand up when you need it..

Ok I have had my 2 bobs worth, i'll go back to my rock now:;

Yes, some injuries and disabilities are not readily obvious to the casual observer/cetin whose business it is not anyway. I have a bad back. Some days I can do almost anything I ever could. Some days I can barely make it out of bed. I do not have a disabled parking permit but some time ago I bought an ebony walking stick blank to make a mobility aid for myself on the bad days when I could use a bit of support. I have not made the walking stick yet and over the last few days my back has been absolutely terrible as a result of three nights on an air mattress while camping out with friends over Easter. So today I spent $29.95 and bought an adjustable aluminium walking stick to use while my back heals. This walking stick is definitely not ornamental. It looks 100% medical, not at all a fashion accessory. You would not be seen dead carrying this stick unless you needed it.

So I bought the stick at the chemist shop and then walked, with far better mobility than I walked into the centre, into the supermarket next door. Walking slowly and in considerable pain and getting used to walking with the stick, I set out to collect a few items from the supermarket. Within my first 10 minutes of using a mobility aid I was knocked flat by a woman with a shopping trolley, who swept the stick out from under my hand when I was just about to put my full weight on it and then rammed the front corner of the trolley into my hip as I was falling.

I managed to grab the side of the trolley and basically fell into it, saving myself from hitting the floor, but the pain in my back and hip were excruciating! Was this woman sorry? Well - NO, NOT AT ALL. She started screaming at me to let go of her Fv{<!ng trolley and making a huge scene. I learned some new words and some new ways to use some words I already knew. She was amazing.

Even more amazing was that she had her own walking stick in the trolley.

If that is the sympathy and understanding you can expect from others who are in a similar situation to the one you are in, I suppose it is no wonder that you get no sympathy from the able-bodied either. Since I live in Melbourne, the rudeness capital of the world, I hope that I do not need the walking stick for too long. Instead of looking at you as someone who may need a bit more consideration, they seem to look at you as a soft target that is easily knocked over. The incident mentioned above is merely the worst of the incidents I experienced today, My first day with walking stick. We live in a very disappointing society here in Melbourne.

Doug

KBs PensNmore

4th April 2013, 04:04 PM

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3rd May 2013, 06:40 AM

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But I am glad I was bought up decent and my sisters are bringing up their kids the same way

damian

6th May 2013, 08:51 AM

We live in a very disappointing society here in Melbourne.
Not only Melbourne but everywhere, no-one cares about anyone but themselves. There are the Baby Boomer Generation, X generation, Y Generation and now we have the ME generation!!! Glad I won't be here in 30years time.
Kryn

I don't know about that. I've argued for a long time that we specifically notice bad behaviour because it IS abnormal.

The thing is 99% of the people around us do the right thing every day. Every time someone does not cut infront of you in the supermarket line or traffic, every time someone gives you the right change or a smile in passing.

It's just that it's so common we don't notice it, until someone does the wrong thing then we get cranky.

It's important to realise this, because forgetting it allows us to justify bad behaviour as "everyone's doing it" and to do it ourselves.

I was in Sydney a couple of weeks ago. I lived there for 30 years and it's a notoriously hostile place, yet surprisingly everyone I encountered this time was remarkably friendly and polite. It was quite odd actually.

I hate to harp on about the driving thing but I have to say I spent 4 days running up and down King Georges Road and around the city visiting people and was quite relaxed (apart from when I was stuck in traffic and needed the bathroom but that's another story), I hadn't even made it back into Brisbane proper before I was yelling abuse at people through the car window. In Sydney if you leave a car length gap head someone will take it, yep they are awfully aggressive, but they all know what they are doing. In Brisbane half are like that and the rest seem asleep at the wheel. Scary and frustrating.

FenceFurniture

14th May 2013, 02:11 PM

Meanwhile, a Burly goes to the rear of my car and jots down the number.
I'd have jumped out and written down his number (his personal ID number), and made sure he saw me do it. What he was doing smacks of intimidation.

FenceFurniture

14th May 2013, 03:39 PM

I got back to the station wagon, 5 minutes, fully loaded .. only to find he had placed two tek-screws in the valve stems of the rear tyres .. both were flat .. and he was no where to be seen.
Without commenting on whether or not it was ok to park there:
This person's reaction is way way out of proportion, and somewhat self defeating. What if the other disabled spaces suddenly filled up (as they sure can) and your car is now anchored there for quite some time, which will clearly inconvenience (at the very least) the next disabled driver to come along (and possibly 2 or 3 after that, depending upon how long it takes to get the tyres re-inflated.

I should think a simple note under the windscreen wiper would suffice.

In this thread there have been numerous mentions of illegal parking being a crime. It is no such thing, and I'm not even sure if it's a misdemeanor. If you contest a parking fine, you do not go to the Criminal Court, you go to a Local Court. To describe it as a crime is, well, it's another out-of-perspective overreaction. For people to get so upset about this, when just discussing it, makes me wonder how they would actually react when they saw the "crime" happening, or worse - when they were a victim of it.

I can draw a very valid parking analogy, and in no way does it belittle or diminsh the difficulties of being disabled (which are variable, of course, depending on the disability). In my photographer days I mostly had a station wagon which was registered for commercial use. This entitled me to park in loading zones, and these are usually 15 minutes, AIR, and sometimes they are marked with different time limits.

I would use a loading zone to be able to unload my pile of gear to be taken into the location and then move my car to longer term parking, and reverse the procedure at the end of the day.

Well, the number of times a non-eligible vehicle was parked in the loading zone was ridiculous, particularly in the City (Sydney). This often caused me to have to lump the gear incredible distances (relative to the weight and bulk of the gear), and over a number of trips.

Never did I put Tek screws into the tyres, notes under windscreens, or anything else. However, if I happened to spot the person then you can bet that I more than likely had something to say.

I have no doubt that there were station wagons parked in loading zones that did not have commercial registration (the equivalent of a disabled sticker for the purposes of this discussion). Did I check the rego stickers? Of course not, couldn't be bothered.:no: Did I get uptight about sedans parked in them? Not particularly. Sh_t happens, especially when you live in a big city. There are more important things to get on with.

I see this situation as almost identical to disabled parking, and have difficulty seeing why people are so uptight - it's bad for your health. Frustrating at the time - yes, absolutely. Worth the aggravation of getting so wound up - I don't think so. Best not to add an apoplexy to the problems.

Have I parked in disabled spots? Yes. On a couple of occasions when I had a fearsome bad back and could barely walk I had no hesitation - my point here is that regardless of having a formal permit, I had a great need not to walk, and I believe any fair minded person, disabled or not, would be understanding of that (it's a bit like having a marriage certificate or living de-facto - either is valid these days, but only one carries a piece of paper).

On some other occasions when the were numerous available and my errand was a 2-3 minute jobbie (with no regular spots available within cooee) - the point being that there was no way I was going to inconvenience anyone in the time that it took to grab a loaf of bread from the first shop in the Centre. On no occasion did I return to the car to find all the other spots taken. There was one occasion when a sanctimonious old git actually started pushing me around (physically) - same situation though - other spots available, nobody inconvenienced. Maybe he'd not had his meds, I don't know, but he sure was a hostile character. Life is too short, and full of too many other difficulties to get so upset about nothing at all (in his case, and some others).

It is a completely different story if an abled bodied person takes the last or second last spot.

To complete my argument: let's take it to an extreme. It's Good Friday, and I'm up there to post a letter. The nearest space to park is a disabled space. The rest of the carpark is deserted. Perhaps a couple of cars way over yonder for some reason.

A disabled person shows up and happens to want to post a letter at the same time. Is it reasonable for them to have a go at me? My engine is running, and I'm out of the car for perhaps 15 seconds. Technically illegal (but not criminal :roll:).

It's a judgement call, with numerous shades of grey.

Time for a chill-pill.

My $2 worth.:U

doug3030

14th May 2013, 09:01 PM

In this thread there have been numerous mentions of illegal parking being a crime. It is no such thing, and I'm not even sure if it's a misdemeanor.....

....There was one occasion when a sanctimonious old git actually started pushing me around (physically) - same situation though - other spots available, nobody inconvenienced. Maybe he'd not had his meds, I don't know, but he sure was a hostile character.

quite true, parking infringements are not criminal offences, but assault is. If you had lost your footing and fell over and hit your head, the "sanctimonious old git" could have been facing serious criminal charges.

the case would go like this:

Judge: "you are charged with aggravated assault causing grevious bodily harm. How do you plead?"

Sanctimonious old git: "Not guilty your honour, he was parked in a disabled car park."

Judge: "Oh I see, that's different then, Case dismissed."

or not!

Doug

rustynail

20th May 2013, 02:04 PM

I'd have jumped out and written down his number (his personal ID number), and made sure he saw me do it. What he was doing smacks of intimidation.
They have their name badges now. I think its in case they forget who they are.
To be honest it was really a matter of who was intimidating who. Some words were exchanged and we were both less than polite. No blows were thrown, so I am improving. And they did move the car.

rustynail

20th May 2013, 07:12 PM

This has been an interesting thread, as it has bought out quite different points of view on a topic that may, to many, seem mundane. One thing that is lacking in society today is respect. Respect for others and even self respect. This quality deficit seems to have been replaced with self importance, a quality that benefits nobody. Mutual respect is what makes for happy campers. Be it in business, friendship, relationship or marriage, the one underlying quality that forms the bond is mutual respect.
Respect is not parking in disabled parking.
Not screwing self tappers into anothers tires.
Refraining from pushing someone in the chest and bellowing at them.
Not telling lazy coppers what you think of them, even though they deserved it.

As my dad used to say,"Go quietly, but carry a big stick."

Lazy Harry

27th July 2014, 02:12 PM

Personally I would advise all non sticker, badge or rubber suction thing which dies under the Aussie sun to advertise in the local media when you next expect to park in a specific disabled parking place.

When my wife and I were able to actually go anywhere. We created an instant side show whenever we parked a such a zone. My wife has both legs partially amputated and massive lump of metal inserted, and I gave 13 pieces of Titanium literally holding my spine together. To wach us trying to extricate ourselves from our car was better than any TV show, we should have sold tickets. My wife attempting to maneuver both legs from behind a steering wheel, under the steering column and out past the door frame was the drawcard with the backup act of myself trying to fall out the passenger's side door without twisting my torso.

It took me some time to figure out how it's done and I must admit the attempts must have appeared as part of a Vaudeville show. Thankfully I no longer have to endure the feat a I'm now unable to even get to the car to fall into it. Sadly my wife had to return to have further surgery and her act is now worthy of a ticket price increase owing to the fact it runs for twice the time. Not once has she seen that Knight in Shining armor we learned about as kids.Nobody has offered to carry her bags for her or offer assistance in any way. Opening a door for spritely young ladies as well a elderly un-spritely elderly women was a must in my younger days. Today it's almost classed as a crime to do so. Or is it due to those automatically sometimes opening doors.

Have you ever walked towards one of those doors and as you get nearer you start to wonder if the darned hing is actually going to open or not? I've often semi stopped just in case it didn't see me, but after that not quite a stop but more a stumble tit decides to open. I'm almost convinced some clown is sitting in a little room somewhere making one of those Candid Camera shows as he flicks a stop/start switch on those doors.

Please don't do as one of our local chappie in a wheelchair does. If he happens to spot a perfectly able person using a disabled spot (a good name for a 3 legged dog) he lines his wheelchair up with the side of the offending vehicle and revs up,drops the clutch and roars past at 6 kph and disengages the arm rest on his chair and leave a nasty gash down the side of the car. Something I don't personally agree with, but he did tell us he only does it when he knows the person in question doesn't happen to be picking up a disabled person. It does certainly keep others from illegally parking though.320614

acmegridley

30th July 2014, 10:46 PM

doug3030

30th July 2014, 11:15 PM

The thing that I am finding more and more disturbing the longer this thread gets is just how many people feel that it is justified to resort to acts of vandalism and vigilantism against those who park in disabled spots.

Yes the people who park in these spots are breaking the law, but not as badly as those who take the law into their own hands and damage their property or threaten them.

They then come on here and claim the moral high ground after vandalising someone else's property.

I have a small pointed screwdriver which is used to good effect down the side of their car,this maybe regarded as anti social behaviour but its the price they pay for parking there.

I hope that the owners of any luxury cars with scratches down the side in Canning Vale WA take appropriate legal action against you for your confession here. What you are doing is very wrong.

Doug

tea lady

31st July 2014, 12:17 AM

I got sent an infringement notice today for parking in a disabled car park at the airport. But I haven't been to the airport. And no one else drives my car. Needless to say I rang and asked for the photo to be checked. Dunno how I prove I wasn't there if its only the word of a parking inspector. $170 tank you very much.

burraboy

31st July 2014, 04:42 AM

Saw a sign that I liked just the other day; "LAZYNESS IS NOT A HANDICAP. PLEASE BE CONSIDERATE.''

Handyjack

2nd August 2014, 09:54 AM

Occasionally I use a work car to go and get supplies. Just about every vehicle has a disabled sticker as we are a medical facility. While it would be handy to park closer to the door, I do not use the disabled spaces despite having the sticker.

Not all disabilities are visible. For a while I dated a female with cerebral palsy, and walked with a type of crutch. She did not have a disabled sticker and I always parked in a normal spot, but as close as I could, to where ever we were going.

Automated doors are great when they work but a real pain when they do not.

And some people just do not care about anyone else, it is all about them.

Old farmer

2nd August 2014, 10:48 AM

tea lady, good morning. I may have missed your post/s but I have not seen you here for a year or more. Great to see you back.

BobL

2nd August 2014, 12:12 PM

My wife has a disabled sticker and the number of times you see young able bodied people get out of cars with disabilty stickers is unreal,the stickers are supposed to be shown where the rego sticker used to be ,but the number of times you see them on the wrong side or just tossed on the dashboard is adead giveaway that it is not their sticker.If I see a beemer or mercedes parked in a disability spot without a sticker I have a small pointed screwdriver which is used to good effect down the side of their car,this maybe regarded as anti social behaviour but its the price they pay for parking there.
My wife has great difficulty walking as well as cancer,so I say bug..r them .:((:((:((:((:((

Before you do this again just be think about the following situation.

89 year old MIL drives a Red Subaru Imprezza with a legitimate ACROD sticker which she also does not attach to her vehicle. Here experience is she cannot guarantee that she will find a handicapped bay or she needs to go to places like the air port, so I sometimes drop her off and then pick her up. If the handicapped bay is free I use that as a safe drop point and then help her to where ever she needs to. At places like the airport it can be some time before I return to the car.. This means when I return to the car alone I must look like someone you would stupidly target. I have never been challenged about this but if a scratch appears on my MIL vehicle I will know who to target first up.

stuffy

2nd August 2014, 12:48 PM

I've been abused after helping a friend with C.P. get to the shops.
Plenty of empty disabled bays at the time so no one was inconvenienced.
Maybe rudeness and arrogance was their disability.

:(

acmegridley

2nd August 2014, 07:30 PM

BobL, you will have to find me first,though I may not be hard to spot I drive a British racing green Lamborgini,
The older I get, the less tolerant I am of fools and idiots and brain dead people.:((:((:((

FenceFurniture

2nd August 2014, 07:54 PM

... I drive a British racing green LamborginiWould that be the one with the scratches down the side, made by a hastily acting, possibly under-informed vigilante?

The older I get, the less tolerant I am of fools and idiots and brain dead people.:((:((:((That would appear to be obvious.

acmegridley

2nd August 2014, 08:10 PM

[QUOTE=acmegridley;1795647],
The older I get, the less tolerant I am of fools and idiots,(I give lessons on how to be a cranky old b.....d), and brain dead people,and bogans,door to door salesmen,Seventh Day adventists,Housos etc,etc,etc
But I love Tony Abbott ,just what this country needs!!!!!

FenceFurniture

2nd August 2014, 08:48 PM

Your politics is your business, and has nothing to do with this conversation. However, let me pose a very possible hyperthetical situation to you.

I have a broken foot or toe and there is no food in the house. It is my left foot and my car (a quite new Beamer or Benz) is an automatic, so I can drive to the shops without too much difficulty. The break only occurred yesterday, and if I am eligible for a temporary disabled sticker, there has not been enough time for one to be issued.

I park in a disabled spot and lurch into the shops with a crutch.

Upon my return I see Mr Gridley moving down the side of my vehicle, and upon closer inspection I see that he has used his pointy screwdriver to what he regards as good effect down the side of my car, and has caused what would appear to be a $3000-$4000 respray job. Inconvenienced and temporarily disabled as I am, I manage to take a photograph of his presence at my car.

I observe the car that he returns to (and photograph him there as well), as it is also in the disabled zone, and therefore not too far away. I record his number plate and car details (verbally and pictorially, in my phone) and note that there on the ground where his car has moved away from is a little spiral of paint just like the paint on my car. I photograph the spiral on the ground, and then retrieve it (causing me great pain in my foot).

Back at my car I find I also have an envelope containing a fine for parking is a disabled space without a permit. I decide upon two things: one, that I am going to protest the fine, and go to court if necessary, and two, that I am going to pursue Mr Gridley for the vandalisation of my car.

As it turns out, I do not even have to go to court to fight the fine - my medical evidence in association with my letter is enough for the powers that be to waive the fine. And when I finally get Mr Gridley into court I present that outcome in evidence, as well as the photographs.

Mr Gridley is given a $500 fine, and now my insurance company can sue him for the damages that he has caused, and of course his insurance company won't cover him (I don't believe insurance for belligerence and vigilantism is available). On top of his $3500-4500 loss, he now has to pay $7 for his first ten visits to the Doctor every year and increased prescription charges. He can no longer afford this because he has to pay the Insurance company $20 per fortnight as well as $5 per fortnight towards his $500 fine, and his health deteriorates markedly

Is Mr Gridley still satisfied that his actions were ok, or would he perhaps take a more tolerant view from now on? The Parking Fine Mob were satisfied that there were extenuating circumstances - is Mr Gridley?

Me? Foot's better thanks, and the repairer did a miraculous job on the respray.

A Duke

2nd August 2014, 09:24 PM

doug3030

2nd August 2014, 09:40 PM

The older I get, the less tolerant I am of fools and idiots and brain dead people.:((:((:((

Low self esteem? :harhar:

tea lady

3rd August 2014, 12:22 AM

tea lady, good morning. I may have missed your post/s but I have not seen you here for a year or more. Great to see you back.I guess I have been an infrequent visitor. :)

Chesand

3rd August 2014, 08:05 AM

I think it is time this thread was closed. :(

doug3030

3rd August 2014, 12:51 PM

A Duke

3rd August 2014, 01:00 PM

And of course one of the excitements of life is 'Which Idiot decides which Idiot is an Idiot'
:?

acmegridley

4th August 2014, 07:26 PM

Mr fence furniture:You must have two pri..ks you could not be so stupid playing with one surely?What a scenario, dream on!!
My son is a barrister and will work pro bono for me.

doug3030

4th August 2014, 09:17 PM

My son is a barrister and will work pro bono for me.

Even axe murderers and pedophiles can get a lawyer, but there seems to be an awful lot of them in jail all the same.

In fact everyone in jail have two things in common - they all proclaim their innocence, and they were all represented by a lawyer.

Cheers

Doug

Opelblues2

4th August 2014, 10:38 PM

my two cents worth, to make mistakes is human, to judge a fellow person due to looks or ability is arrogant.

anyway in my case I have been classed with 35% reduction in spinal movement (stainless steel plates from L1 too L6) , lower body strength loss, stainless pin in left wrist. I could be on a pension but I'm not I love going to work every day.
And every day I see young and old park in disabled zones, but I have found over the years instead, I don't go off at them any more at the inconsiderate person, I offer them a hand if they need it(put you grocery's in the boot for you, can I help you out/into the car) things like that. I have fun at there expense.

now today was a perfect example of inconsiderate people, I drive two different trucks, one is a Vac truck - 8 tonne, and the other is a skip bin truck - 18 tonne loaded 8mt3 bin, well Mondays I pick up skip bin from behind shops in the main street, witch requires me to park in the loading zone the walk down the ally place out the bollards and put the chain across the second entrance, this to prevent drivers running in to the back of me when I reverse down the ally. now back at the loading zone this lady (I did meet Her) has parked right behind me, can't go forward or back, made a phone call. then I go to the coffee Shop 30mt away and ask if anybody owns the JEEP and please move it. nobody owns it. back to the truck and I start to lower the lifting arm over the top of the JEEP, well out of the shop she runs, swearing " ill sue you if you touch my car " I was smiling by this time because i knew who was standing on the other side of the truck out of view, two traffic infringement notices just to make her day.

"O happy days for me"

acmegridley

11th August 2014, 03:39 PM

Got a good one yesterday down at Bunnings big hairy ar.. tradie, new Triton ute.:((:((

FenceFurniture

11th August 2014, 03:54 PM

Got a good one yesterday down at Bunnings big hairy ar.. tradie, new Triton ute.:((:((When you say you "got" a good one, do you mean that you used your pointy thing "to good effect"?

Sawdust Maker

11th August 2014, 06:06 PM

about 16 odd years ago I parked in the local westfield carpark in a 'parents with prams' spot
as I got out of the car a woman scathingly growled to me "you don't have a baby"
her expression was priceless as I proceeded to remove pram thing from the boot and place baby son in it
She also didn't approve of my wink as I wheeled him off.

lubbing5cherubs

16th August 2014, 11:41 PM

She bagged me out and when I finally was able to get out the car I used more walking apparatus than her. She just wanted a closer park. Wish they stop judging us it not like we choose to have those parks. I know I love to have. My old body back we do enough judgement of ourselves without strangers putting in their two cents worth. They make me mad.

nrb

18th August 2014, 10:39 AM

I have come to this post only lately,MY GOD,HAVE SOME OF YOUR BRAIN PARTS BEEN DISABLEd AS WELL???
Damage to cars and all that other stuff just leaves me to think it must have happened!!!!!:no::no::no:

mikesmith

2nd November 2014, 10:08 PM

I am waithing for a shoulder replacement, legally blind (tunnel vision) and no distance vision.
All of which are not immediately obvious except that I always need a driver whose back happens to be worn out and cannot be fixed.

So this woman was mouthing off about how easy it is to get a disability permit.

I was very good, said nothing just sent her "THE LOOK" but inside I was spitting chips.

It is so sad that so many are getting away with abusing the system and we, who are legitimate permit holders get abused.

Wolffie

Hay man, that's her problem, not yours. I have found many people think that a dis sticker is a free ride ticket. I tell them how lucky THEY are they don't have to have one.

robyn2839

6th November 2014, 11:03 PM

Got a good one yesterday down at Bunnings big hairy ar.. tradie, new Triton ute.:((:((
what a sad little excuse for a person you are,i hope someone gets hold of you and belts the bejesus out of you,its people like you that create this gap between handicapped and not handicapped,and blame the world for their problems,hope someone trashes your car,you are a sad little man
.......bob

rob streeper

7th November 2014, 03:28 AM

Pity how sour, churlish and rude some are.

I've found that no matter who you are, what you can or can't do, what you have or lack, what you think or how you look it never fails that some miserable soul will take issue with you for it.

Some people just need somebody to hate.

Sawdust Maker

7th November 2014, 09:36 PM

...

Some people just need somebody to hate.

I thought that's what politicians were for!

A Duke

7th November 2014, 10:30 PM

We are all put here for a reason, even if it is just to be a bad example.

doug3030

22nd April 2015, 10:03 PM

I had another good one today.

There I was, walking down the right side of the the lane in the supermarket carpark, as you are supposed to to face the oncoming traffic. Stupidbitch comes around the corner on the wrong side of the lane and nearly cleaned me up from behind. I stepped over further to the right to avoid the otherwise inevitable collision.

Next thing I know as I continued walking, when she had her front door level with me, she turned straight across my path to turn into a car park space, and had I not been able to step further to the right and rear, I would have been knocked right off my walking stick and probably seriously injured.

In the heat of the moment I shouted "$h!t, watch where you are going." I got a great response: "F*<k off idiot, I didn't even see you."

For the net couple of minutes I pointed out that she had almost run me over twice and yet she claimed she had not seen me, that she had been driving on the wrong side of the road and failed to give way to a pedestrian when turning, among other things.

Then her knight in shining armor comes along and parks his car next to hers and gets out and tells me he saw the whole thing and I was in the wrong because it is a car park and and I should have considered that she would be turning into the car space I was walking past and gotten out of the way, lack of appropriate indication of intention, walking stick and reduced mobility notwithstanding.

He made a big show of giving his contact details to the Stupidbitch so that he could be her witness (interestingly I had given no indication that I was taking any action at which a witness would be useful). I told him that I really did not care what he thought and asked for his contact details too because if he really had seen what had happened then if push came to shove he would be a more useful witness to me than to her. He refused so I took a picture of him, his car and a closeup of his numberplate. He jumped back in his car and backed out as soon as I started taking pictures, go figure.

They never cease to amaze me.

Cheers

Doug