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Black Ned
12th June 2012, 10:08 AM
I have a mini-lathe that has a 1" x 10 TPI thread and I wish to make some threaded wooden face plates to suit.
I don't know how to describe the thread properly and am having difficulty findind a supplier of a "tap" to suit.
I would imagine that there are quite a few woodturners out there that have faced this problem and have overcome it.
I would be grateful for some helpful advice.


regards, Ned

dabbler
12th June 2012, 12:56 PM
Google "thread chasers for wood"
You'll easily find a number of links to videos, web sites and downloadable docs describing cutting/chasing thread techniques.

I was interested until talking to other forumites at the Bris TWWS I found the slowest speed on my lathe is to fast. Pretty sure speeds of 500rpm and under are recommended. I'm sure when true practitioners read your post they'll weigh in. If not, maybe change your post/thread title to "chasing".

I've seen Sorby and Hamlet sell chasing tools in a range of tpi to name two.. Usually sold as pairs for internal and external threads. They are used in making threaded lidded boxes and shaped accordingly. I have seen techniques described for handmade and re-shaped/re-purposed tools too.

How many faceplates do you want? The $ may speak and rule out specialized tools and back to metal faceplates.

hughie
12th June 2012, 01:11 PM
You will find the 1" x 10 TPI is non standard, all 1" being BSW or UNC the 8TPI

Meredith Distribution (http://www.meredithdist.com.au/technical/tappingchart.html)

This done deliberately so as to maintain the manufacturers exclusivity on parts

you may at a pinch find it from a specialist engineering supplies but the price will be horrendous :o dont expect too much change out $200.

The way to go is to make your own thread via thread chaser. I can help you there as I make my own chasers. In fact I am making a 10tpi for a guy in Queensland next week.

Slow speeds for chasing are the way to go start around 200rpm. If your lathe wont go so slow you can get your mate to spin the chuck while you chase the thread.

RETIRED
12th June 2012, 01:14 PM
Any large engineering supply places or Ebay will carry them or can get one in.

Just ask for an 1" x 10 TPI Tap.

RETIRED
12th June 2012, 01:15 PM
Hughie beat me.

hughie
12th June 2012, 01:20 PM
]Hughie beat me


:)

try here [email protected] ([email protected]) I buy some unusal taps and dies for this guy. Hes on Ebay but you can deal direct via bank deposit and hes reliable.

Cliff Rogers
12th June 2012, 01:35 PM
I just borrowed one from Powderpost. :2tsup:

chambezio
12th June 2012, 02:25 PM
There it is again!!!!!!
That blokey spirit that lurks in this Forum :wink: :2tsup:

Tim the Timber Turner
12th June 2012, 02:37 PM
You may at a pinch find it from a specialist engineering supplies but the price will be horrendous :o dont expect too much change out $200.

I'd try McJings.

They sell a M30 tap for $22.

They may also have a 1"x10 TPI at a simular price.

Cheers

Tim:)

dogcatcher
12th June 2012, 02:56 PM
I found a couple on the US Ebay site, one is $70 USD plus shipping, the other is from the UK, approximately $45 USD with the shipping.

DORMER E536 TAP 1" - 10 BSF No3 Bottom Tap | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/DORMER-E536-TAP-1-10-BSF-No3-Bottom-Tap-/220673997568?pt=UK_BOI_Metalworking_Milling_Welding_Metalworking_Supplies_ET&hash=item336131fb00)

Black Ned
12th June 2012, 03:58 PM
Thanks Guys for all your suggestions. And Thanks to Tim for suggesting McJing.
I had looked at their online catalogue and did not see it listed but after Tim's suggestion I telephoned. They are currently out of stock but will have some in their next shipment in approximately one month from now. I will get one from McJing.

regards, Ned

turnerted
12th June 2012, 05:12 PM
It's listed in my copy of McJings catalogue .I bought an M30 3.5 tap from them a few months ago and it works fine in wood .
Ted

tea lady
12th June 2012, 10:36 PM
I got a 1" x10 TPI tap at a tool sale for $10. :shrug: :cool: Its not that unusual.

hughie
13th June 2012, 12:47 AM
They may also have a 1"x10 TPI at a simular price.



Hah BSF :doh: shoulda thought of that myself, mind you its been along time since have any use for BSF

Paul39
13th June 2012, 01:26 AM
You might see what 1" x10 TPI nuts sell for. Turn a hole in a block of stout wood that is a press fit on the edges of the hex on the nut, put some good scratches on the nut with 60 or 80 grit, scrub with water and dishwashing detergent to remove any oil, dry and slather epoxy on the inside of the wood and outside of the nut and use the tailstock of the lathe to press the block of wood on to the nut threaded on to the well oiled spindle.

Turn the spindle by hand to see if the disk wobbles and tap gently to get it running more or less true. Face it off after the epoxy sets.

Here in North Carolina, USA, 1 X 8 TPI nuts are cheap as dirt, 1 1/4 X 8 a bit more, 33mm X 3.5 metric are an arm, a leg, and one's first born child. I recall 3 for about $21.

I have bought all sizes and have done the above for making disk sanders and hand wheels, as well as welding on steel plates for a faceplate.

Ashore
13th June 2012, 03:11 AM
1" BSF , try blackwoods hannell st wickham :D

Black Ned
13th June 2012, 09:41 AM
Thanks Ashore, I have decided to wait for McJing as they are very easy and obliging to deal with (as many on the forum have indicated) and the Tap will cost between $20 - $30.
regards, Ned

Tim the Timber Turner
13th June 2012, 10:44 AM
Thanks Guys for all your suggestions. And Thanks to Tim for suggesting McJing.
regards, Ned

No problems Ned.

A couple of tips

1: Start tapping the hole with the tap held in the tailstock, this will help to get a square thread. True up the faceplate the before use.

2: After tapping the thread give it a good drink of thin CA. When dry run the tap through again. This will toughen up the thread.

I have been using a MDF sanding disk for many years and it has been screwed on and off hundreds of times.

Cheers

Tim:)

jimbur
13th June 2012, 11:16 AM
No problems Ned.

2: After tapping the thread give it a good drink of thin CA. When dry run the tap through again. This will toughen up the thread.

I have been using a MDF sanding disk for many years and it has been screwed on and off hundreds of times.

Cheers

Tim:)
Tim, that answers a query I was going to make.:)
Cheers,
Jim

nalmo
13th June 2012, 11:11 PM
Two good videos from Beall Tools on how to use their spindle tap



Part 1 Spindle Tap How To Part 1 You Tube - YouTube
Part 2 Spindle Tap How To Part 2 You Tube - YouTube

Black Ned
14th June 2012, 09:55 AM
Thankyou NALMO.

Very good videos showing how to make a wooden chuck.

I would be interested to find out how many different purpose chucks have been made using a wooden base and threaded by forum members.

regards, Ned

bowl-basher
14th June 2012, 10:11 AM
If all else fails Lee Bros. in Dunlop street North parramatta (aka The Nut House )
will certainly have it in stock. and nuts as well
Regards
Bowl-Basher

Sawdust Maker
14th June 2012, 03:08 PM
Hughie beat me.

Is there a video - I'm sure we'd all like to see it! :o

nalmo
16th June 2012, 09:21 AM
So far I've made a couple of vacuum chucks. Tried ordinary rubber & EPDM for the seals, but found they both left dark marks on pale colored timbers which I had to hand sand off. Any suggestions?

Tim the Timber Turner
16th June 2012, 10:19 AM
Neoprene closed cell foam, as used in wetsuits.

Or a neoprene O ring.

Cheers

Tim:)

turnerted
16th June 2012, 04:57 PM
I use 1mm white closed cell foam as a seal . Some years ago I put down a floating floor and this was supplied as an underlay so I surpose you can still buy it from flooring suppliers .