Cincinnati pedal power

[tongleh]

While in H&F's Dandenong store last week, I stumbled across an old foot operated Cincinnati, of course I couldn't resist, so I gave it a few pumps, boy did this thing take off and so easy to operate as well. Has anyone ever used one of these, or does anyone own one (Cincinnati or other)? I'd put it on top of my list if I was a collector.

[GSRocket]

I was captivated by this Colchester ... If I ever see one I think I'll have to acquire it and it would seem quite practical too.
http://www.woodworkforums.com/f65/old-information-industry-manufacturing-england-161123/

http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/thumb/3/32/Im1924EnV138-p386b.jpg/606px-Im1924EnV138-p386b.jpg

[Ueee]

Pics PLEASE!!!

[tongleh]

Very nice indeed. The one I saw looked a lot lighter build and the drive system, while still operated by pedal, had an ecentric drive bush mounted on the flywheel axle and was connected to the pedal system via a duplex chain. Interestingly, when pedaled, there was no sticking point (as on most rod connected systems like Singer) and it didn't want to go in reverse if pedaled on the wrong stroke, very smooth operation. Didn't have my camera at the time, but I'm sure a google search should pick up a picture.

[tongleh]

Just looking at GSRocket's picture again, the Cincinnati in H&F's showroroom had a very narrow flywheel/pulley, certainly not wide enough for a flat belt pulley. It also had half a dozen gears on the headstock, I'm just wondering if it was a mongrel, either converted to V belts, or a geared head. No luck with google, anyone have any ideas.

[Gerbilsquasher]

I'm on the H&F mailing list and the arrival of their new flyer allows me to give the boss an 'excuse' to go and get the pin punches we needed for the workstation upgrades.... I might go later today, complete with camera.

Recently (last 12 months or so) H&F dropped the 'used machines' section from their website.... which is good and bad.... good because you can't be tempted to go and have a look at something which will result in a purchase, and bad because when you visit you might make a rash decision that will result in a purchase :D

(Don't worry, I'm not in a position to buy any new toys ATM.... )

[franco]

Just looking at GSRocket's picture again, the Cincinnati in H&F's showroroom had a very narrow flywheel/pulley, certainly not wide enough for a flat belt pulley. It also had half a dozen gears on the headstock, I'm just wondering if it was a mongrel, either converted to V belts, or a geared head. No luck with google, anyone have any ideas.

If the lathe you saw had grooved pulleys it was probably made for round leather belts. These used a slightly different shaped pulley groove from a V belt groove, and were quite common up to about half inch diameter. My father had a 1/2" electric motor driven drill press of about 1946 vintage which still used a 3/8" round leather belt drive.

A variation of these was used on some early motor bikes, often called a "bootlace" belt. These were a long leather strip twisted into a round belt, with the ends joined by "little meat hooks". If the weather was fine and the road dusty they were said to glaze and slip. If the weather was wet, they would stretch and slip. Although this was annoying, the cure was easy. The joint would be unhooked and a piece cut off the belt, then the joiner hook refitted. If you accidently overdid it and cut too much off, the belt could be lengthened again by untwisting it until it became long enough to refit the fastener. Though this was inconvenient, many early riders preferred them to the other available belt types then in use because problems, though frequently recurring, were so easily fixed on the roadside. Don't think this would have been a problem with machinery drive belts though!

Frank.

[Gerbilsquasher]

As promised, went to H&F and sought out the pedal lathe... turns out that it is a Colchester. Was a bit hard to find.... it was kind a puny among some of the other monsters (Chinese made monstrosities that is:D) and had evidence of a fair amount of abuse and 'dodgification'... As mentioned, I do not presently have the money for 'new' machine purchases, let alone a pedal powered antique lathe which would be the right working height for a midget (or perhaps it was designed for a child?).... but I asked anyway... not for sale.

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[Com_VC]

I'm on the H&F mailing list and the arrival of their new flyer allows me to give the boss an 'excuse' to go and get the pin punches we needed for the workstation upgrades.... I might go later today, complete with camera.

Recently (last 12 months or so) H&F dropped the 'used machines' section from their website.... which is good and bad.... good because you can't be tempted to go and have a look at something which will result in a purchase, and bad because when you visit you might make a rash decision that will result in a purchase :D

(Don't worry, I'm not in a position to buy any new toys ATM.... )


Why do you think they have dropped the used machinery section? I can still see it. Used Equipment | Lathes Mills Drills Saws Pressbrake Guillotines Panbrakes | machineryhouse.com.au (http://www.machineryhouse.com.au/UsedEquipment)

[Ueee]

Why do you think they have dropped the used machinery section? I can still see it. Used Equipment | Lathes Mills Drills Saws Pressbrake Guillotines Panbrakes | machineryhouse.com.au (http://www.machineryhouse.com.au/UsedEquipment)

I thought it had gone too, just because there is no longer a tab at the top of the page for it.

Thanks for the pics Gerbil, the yellow accents just set it off...:D
Beautiful machine though, good to see it has a least had a dulux.

[jamarpa]

Nice to see shops that show some history. I have only visited one 'Wood work' shop as such being 'Carba-tek' Brissy. I was torn between searching for a buy and looking at the excellent history that is in some of the display cases. A great draw card for any shop.

[tongleh]

A Colchester, no wonder a google search couldn't find it. I did get one thing right though: It is a lathe...

[Gerbilsquasher]

Why do you think they have dropped the used machinery section? I can still see it. Used Equipment | Lathes Mills Drills Saws Pressbrake Guillotines Panbrakes | machineryhouse.com.au (http://www.machineryhouse.com.au/UsedEquipment)

'Tis true... I asked the guy at H&F the same question about the missing second hand section.... he then proceeded to show me where it was on the H&F computer. I think they just moved it to somewhere I couldn't find it and then didn't inform me personally :D

[GSRocket]

Very interesting drive, never seen this idea before.
Looks to be a later addition. Nowadays a flat belt might be better
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