Autumn classics

[Isaac S]

We're deep into fall and heading into winter up here, so this may not be the most appropriate title, but here they are anyways.

I just finished up these three saws, and they are working their way to their new home right now. From top to bottom, there is a 10 inch dovetail saw, a 12 inch carcase saw, and a 14 inch sash saw.


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Thank you for looking.

Isaac

[seanz]

Thank you for looking.

Thanks for sharing. You do great looking work.

[Christos]

Wow the set has gone to different homes or the same home?

[Isaac S]

They all went to the same gentleman.

[derekcohen]

Hi Isaac

Your work has become sublime. The combination of materials, design and workmanship is at the top of the class. Really.

Regards from Perth

Derek

[bosox]

You must be proud! I love the detail in every aspect! Really cool projects! Well done.

[MarvW]

Once again Isaac, another outstanding set of saws. Always good to see your new stuff. :)

Marv

[planemaker]

Outstanding work Isaac. Also great to see Marv sharing his thoughts on this forum. Welcome Marv.

Stewie;:2tsup::2tsup:

[MarvW]

Outstanding work Isaac. Also great to see Marv sharing his thoughts on this forum. Welcome Marv.

Stewie;:2tsup::2tsup:

Thanks Stewie for the "welcome". I'm still trying to figure out what I'm doing and how this forum works. It's much easier to file a saw than learning how these forums work. :hmm:

Marv

[chook]

I like using saws but I have no idea about how to make one. Where do I start?

[derekcohen]

Marv, oh gawd, you here too! The forum is definitely going downhill. :o

Heh .. heh. :U

Welcome! :2tsup:

Regards from Perth

Derek

[Isaac S]

I like using saws but I have no idea about how to make one. Where do I start?

If you're like me, you need to spend several years reading about it first. If you really want to to learn, then just start doing it. Here are a few good sites to get you started, though.

http://www.wenzloffandsons.com/pdf_docs/kit_instructions-back-saw-Full_Kit2.pdf

The Backsaw Project | Norse Woodsmith (http://norsewoodsmith.com/node/68)

Making Saw Blades by Tim Hoff (http://www.cianperez.com/Wood/WoodDocs/Wood_How_To/INDEX_How_To_pages/TimHoff_MakingSawBlades.htm) (Blade and back)

Making Saw Handles by Tim Hoff (http://www.cianperez.com/Wood/WoodDocs/Wood_How_To/INDEX_How_To_pages/TimHoff_MakingSawHandles.htm) (Handles)

Saw Handle Making Tutorial (http://www.backsaw.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=102)

Kees (http://seekelot.blogspot.com/) (you will have to search through the old posts)

saw build along | Search Results | Blackburn Tools (http://www.blackburntools.com/blog/?s=saw+build+along) (the list is in reverse chronological order, so begin with the oldest one first)

[planemaker]

If you're like me, you need to spend several years reading about it first. If you really want to to learn, then just start doing it. Here are a few good sites to get you started, though.

http://www.wenzloffandsons.com/pdf_docs/kit_instructions-back-saw-Full_Kit2.pdf

The Backsaw Project | Norse Woodsmith (http://norsewoodsmith.com/node/68)

Making Saw Blades by Tim Hoff (http://www.cianperez.com/Wood/WoodDocs/Wood_How_To/INDEX_How_To_pages/TimHoff_MakingSawBlades.htm) (Blade and back)

Making Saw Handles by Tim Hoff (http://www.cianperez.com/Wood/WoodDocs/Wood_How_To/INDEX_How_To_pages/TimHoff_MakingSawHandles.htm) (Handles)

Saw Handle Making Tutorial (http://www.backsaw.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=102)

Kees (http://seekelot.blogspot.com/) (you will have to search through the old posts)

saw build along | Search Results | Blackburn Tools (http://www.blackburntools.com/blog/?s=saw+build+along) (the list is in reverse chronological order, so begin with the oldest one first)

Great advise Isaac. Heres another 1 to add to the list. Sharpening Western Saws by AWL (Andy).

WoodNet Forums: Sharpening Western Saws, from Brit, or AWL, or Andy (http://www.forums.woodnet.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=6395917&page=2&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=)

[MarvW]

Marv, oh gawd, you here too! The forum is definitely going downhill. :o

Heh .. heh. :U

Welcome! :2tsup:

Regards from Perth

Derek

Hey Derek....

I especially like all the great smiley faces here. :woot:

Marv

[planemaker]

Hi Isaac. Of note on your site you have preference to use 0.015" and 0.018" saw plate for your backsaws up to a limit of 2 inches in depth. For deeper saw plate's that preference changes to 0.020" and 0.025". For the benefit of new backsaw makers, what are the concerns with using the lighter gauge saw steel on depths of plate above 2 inches.

Stewie;

Blackburn Tools - New saws and accessories for sale (http://blackburntools.com/new-tools/new-saws-and-related/index.html#joinery-saws)

[Isaac S]

Hi Isaac. Of note on your site you have preference to use 0.015" and 0.018" saw plate for your backsaws up to a limit of 2 inches in depth. For deeper saw plate's that preference changes to 0.020" and 0.025". For the benefit of new backsaw makers, what are the concerns with using the lighter gauge saw steel on depths of plate above 2 inches.

Stewie;

Blackburn Tools - New saws and accessories for sale (http://blackburntools.com/new-tools/new-saws-and-related/index.html#joinery-saws)

Basically, the thinner plate has less stiffness and is more prone to deflection and wandering. The deeper you go, the more you have to worry about it. This is more of a concern with rip saws, since the teeth may be inclined to follow the grain. This is why I and others will make a 12" or 14" crosscut saw with a 0.020" plate, but recommend using a 0.025" thick plate if you file the same saw rip.

Another concern is kinking the blade if it catches or binds in the cut. It is easier to buckle thinner, larger plates of steel.

Finally, there can be some concern over buckling from heat. In saws with fairly little set, you can get enough heat buildup that the steel expands in deep cuts. It is not enough to affect the temper, but it can get uncomfortably hot. Since the back or spine restricts expansion at the back edge, but not at the teeth, the blade will warp. This can lead to some really wacky and inaccurate cuts. Thicker steel has more mass to absorb the heat from the friction, so it takes more effort to warp it. Since rip saws are more likely to be used in deep cuts, this is another reason to go with thicker blades for them.

[planemaker]

Basically, the thinner plate has less stiffness and is more prone to deflection and wandering. The deeper you go, the more you have to worry about it. This is more of a concern with rip saws, since the teeth may be inclined to follow the grain. This is why I and others will make a 12" or 14" crosscut saw with a 0.020" plate, but recommend using a 0.025" thick plate if you file the same saw rip.

Another concern is kinking the blade if it catches or binds in the cut. It is easier to buckle thinner, larger plates of steel.

Finally, there can be some concern over buckling from heat. In saws with fairly little set, you can get enough heat buildup that the steel expands in deep cuts. It is not enough to affect the temper, but it can get uncomfortably hot. Since the back or spine restricts expansion at the back edge, but not at the teeth, the blade will warp. This can lead to some really wacky and inaccurate cuts. Thicker steel has more mass to absorb the heat from the friction, so it takes more effort to warp it. Since rip saws are more likely to be used in deep cuts, this is another reason to go with thicker blades for them.

Thanks Isaac. Very well explained.

Stewie;

[DSEL74]

That is a great explanation of the saw plate Isaac. I was unaware of the RIP vs Crosscut issue when selection thickness, learn something new everyday…..That's why we want you guys here!!!

Those are a beautiful set of saws and the figure in the timber is magic. Is that walnut crotch??

[Isaac S]

Those are a beautiful set of saws and the figure in the timber is magic. Is that walnut crotch??

Thanks Dale. Yes, that is walnut crotch.

[DSEL74]

Thanks Dale. Yes, that is walnut crotch.


Ahhh who doesn't like a nice piece of crotch :;