saw sharpener and tooth punch

[Pagie]

I went to see an old mate today and he showed me an automatic saw filler and a retoother.

They look like they would work. I know nothing about these type of machines, he showed me a saw that he had retoothed. It looked very even. I can buy these machines but have limited space. but am very tempted.

I took a few pics of them. Anyone ever used these things?

[Ron Bontz]

Yep. I use a foley belsaw retoother to punch out my saw teeth. I file them by hand though.

[Pagie]

They any good Ron?

[Pagie]

Well I am going to pick up both tools tomorrow.

[pmcgee]

Well I am going to pick up both tools tomorrow.
You might ask about getting saw-files for the filer.
I have a copy of that manual (387) ... there's a lot in there. :)

I have some sawblades that I guess are raw from retoothing, they have a punched-metal look to them ...

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Cheers,
Paul

[Pagie]

Thanks Paul. He mentioned he had some files.

[Pagie]

Well I got them home. Heavy buggars. Now to learn to play with them.
:-

[Heavansabove]

I have some sawblades that I guess are raw from retoothing, they have a punched-metal look to them ...

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Cheers,
Paul

Paul, they look like peg teeth, and yes the punched-metal look is because they are... punched http://www.woodworkforums.com/images/icons/icon6.png

And judging by how far up the saw the teeth are, someone had a lot of goes on the retoother!

Cheers
Peter

[Ron Bontz]

Paul, they look like peg teeth, and yes the punched-metal look is because they are... punched http://www.woodworkforums.com/images/icons/icon6.png

And judging by how far up the saw the teeth are, someone had a lot of goes on the retoother!

Cheers
Peter

385: as long as you have the ratchet bars and carriers, you are good to go. Can't really speak about the filer.

[pmcgee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VITa3qvLa4M

http://positiverake.com/?p=624

http://traditionaltoolworks.com/making-saws/foley-385/index.html

http://foleyfiler.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/foley-automatic-hand-saw-retoother.html

http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?98150-So-you-always-wanted-to-build-handsaws-Foley-Retoother!

[pmcgee]

A different automation ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9MXLAc34bY

and setting ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyOIMl_6ygw

[Pagie]

I seem to have everything but the jig to hold the circular saws. Looks like 16 ppi is the smallest.

[pmcgee]

One of the videos mentioned three holders ... straight, breasted and backsaw.

Have you got those .. and if you have a chance ... can we have a photo please?

Thanks,
Paul

[Pagie]

I have 5 holders I think. Could not see one with a curve. Will check latter.

[DSEL74]

Yes lots of photos please!!!

[Pagie]

Ok, I have two holders with curves and three that are straight. I just had a play with it retoothing some saw plate. and a carcase saw I cut 4 ppi and then turned it into 12 ppi and then to 16 ppi. It seems to work ok.
I promise to take photos next time. I haven't had a go at the filer yet.

[pmcgee]

Stop having fun!
(when we can't see it) :U

If those tooth patterns fitted in with each other, it must be 4tpi, 12tpi, 16tpi ?? (rather than ppi?)

Paul

[Pagie]

Could be I didn't measure the teeth just went by the numbers on the bars. It just removes the old teeth and cuts the new ones. It did a surprisingly neat job, cant wait to try the filer. Apparently I can just put the saw and guide straight into the filer from the toother. I may retooth all my saws.

[Sawdust Maker]

Pity you're not in Sydney - I'd get you to retooth a couple of my relics

[DSEL74]

You say you can do up to 16 Tpi…..What is required to greater? A smaller punch or a template???


Can a filler file teeth without them being punched first???

To answer myself, You need custom made racks to go higher than 16 points.

No the filler requires existing teeth to auto feed.



A blog soley dedicated to Foley Filers and has heaps of manuals & info by the looks of it.
http://foleyfiler.blogspot.com.au/

[Pagie]

The retoother is ok to use. The filer looks complicated. May take a few trys. Sawdustmaker you could always post them down.

[_fly_]

Nice score Pete,

Will come in very handy, all those saw we made, would have been much easier to cut them with your machine and then file em by hand.

If I can remember how to get to your place, don't be surprised if I'm on your doorstep with a hand-full of new and old saws.

Enjoy playing with them, and we want more pictures, before and afters.

Peter

[DSEL74]

Doing some research today, many people stick the filer in the corner and let it collect dust. Apparently they are very finicky and almost impossible to get set up correctly, to the point people including professionals go back to hand filling. Which they deem to be quicker & easier, than mucking about with the machine.

There is also complaints about skipping and double filling one tooth mucking up the saw on a regular basis.


My suggestion would be to set the filer up and get it correct and do saws in batches if possible before spending a lot of time reconfiguring the machine to another saw.

It was also said the saw setting machine is a waste of time and space, but the retoother was held in high regard.

[Pagie]

Just retoothed a Diston to 6.5. looks ok, now must sharpen it.

[Pagie]

Your welcome Fly.

[pmcgee]

Just retoothed a Diston to 6.5. looks ok, now must sharpen it.
I guess it has a "rake" setting on the retoother?
Thanks,
Paul

[Pagie]

Yes you can alter it to what u want. I think I used 8deg.

[pmcgee]

Can it do this??? :rotfl:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOLAN-BROS-HAND-SAW-ROUGH-CUT-RIP-TOOL-/310879904609?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0


http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/2v4AAOxyYSdTCNfO/$_57.JPG

[Pagie]

No I don't think so.

[Sawdust Maker]

That's Paul's dovetail saw :p

[Pagie]

Running out of saws to retooth..

[DSEL74]

Running out of saws to retooth..


Is that a request for more saws?????

Have you tried the sharpener yet??

[Pagie]

Yes could do with a few to play with. Got any? Not tried the filer yet, no time yet. When I have finished playing with my saws I may have to sell the units as I dont have the room to leave them set up.

[DSEL74]

Yes could do with a few to play with. Got any? Not tried the filer yet, no time yet. When I have finished playing with my saws I may have to sell the units as I dont have the room to leave them set up.


You can store them in my shed in two weeks time :D.

[Pagie]

I'll think about that. Where will your shed be?

[DSEL74]

Mount Evelyn

[Pagie]

not far.

[Pagie]

I tried retothing a 15ppi hardpoint Sandvic. It seemed to cut ok I made it 13 ppi I think. 307238

[Pagie]

I just retoothed a saw for Sawdust Maker. I hope it will be ok. I'll post it in the morning.

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[planemaker]

I just retoothed a saw for Sawdust Maker. I hope it will be ok. I'll post it in the morning.

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. Looks like your Foley Retoother has done a nice job of punching out the shape of the teeth. Nick will still to do a final sharpen by hand before the saw is ready to use.

Stewie;

[Sawdust Maker]

I just retoothed a saw for Sawdust Maker. I hope it will be ok. I'll post it in the morning.

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Thanks mate looks good from here



. Looks like your Foley Retoother has done a nice job of punching out the shape of the teeth. Nick will still to do a final sharpen by hand before the saw is ready to use.

Stewie;

This is the blade to that handle and saw nuts we've been discussing
now to learn how to sharpen - better watch Andy's video a few more times and a bit of practice on a couple of cruddy panel saws

[planemaker]

Thanks mate looks good from here




This is the blade to that handle and saw nuts we've been discussing
now to learn how to sharpen - better watch Andy's video a few more times and a bit of practice on a couple of cruddy panel saws

Should be easy Nick after getting the teeth punched on the Foley. I have to file all mine the hard way. With a blank tooth line. :doh:

Stewie;

[Pagie]

I've done a few saws now and Del74 came up and had a play the other day. We toothed anything we could find. Even had a go at the filer. After much head scratching and trial and error we filed a saw and the only problem was one tooth got filed 3 times. I think it is worth persisting with it. Not sure about the filer but I like the toother. The toother leaves a small ridge on the under side of the tooth. That will file out with the first or second sharpening.

[Heavansabove]

This is the blade to that handle and saw nuts we've been discussing
now to learn how to sharpen - better watch Andy's video a few more times and a bit of practice on a couple of cruddy panel saws

Nick, suggest you stick with rip teeth on the backsaw until you are up to sharpening speed. And. Go to the saw sharpening workshop on this Sunday - not far from you I suspect. Details - http://www.tttg.org.au/php/tttg_Page.php?n=04

Cheers
Peter

[Sawdust Maker]

Peter

I tend to agree which is why I'm going to wreck a couple of panel saws first :crash:

I wanted to go to that saw sharpening workshop but :damn: No 1 Son is competing at a State Athletics Carnival :running: at the same time, so I'll be sitting at SOPAC at Homebush from about 7 - 7:30 am with camera primed and ready to go:photo2: Hopefully he'll come home with one of these :1st:
I just hope there are no walking races :tiptoe: on before his events as they are a cure for insomnia :sleep6:

[Pagie]

Well I think I have played with the toother and the filer so I think I will sell them. Anyone interested?

[Simplicity]

What would we be asking out of interest
But also understand if u don't want to make it public
Matt

[Pagie]

Iv'e PM.ed you

[Heavansabove]

Well I think I have played with the toother and the filer so I think I will sell them. Anyone interested?

Saw toothers in Sydney, and Melbourne, to say nothing of Brisbane, might be handy for budding saw makers, I suspect will speed the process somewhat. When you are ready to sell, let the forum know - I am sure a good home will be found.

cheers
Peter

[Pagie]

I,m ready to sell now. I have spent the money already.:roll:

[Pagie]

I'v been playing with the filer today and yesterday. I have worked out how to adjust it for rip fileing. Not tried out the cross cut setting as I cant do them with a file either. I need more practice. It has been raining the last couple of days so I have been in the shed. I would like to keep these machines but I don't have the room or the need really. I tried to put a small video of it working but I cant do it. I managed to put one up on facebook. but don't know how to link to it.

[Pagie]

Ok I have put the foley machines on ebay as I have to make room for other projects and have no room at the inn.

[NCArcher]

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Tools-Foley-Saw-sharpener-and-retoother-/281314727467?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item417faa162b&_uhb=1

[Pagie]

Thankyou, NCArcher.