Please check my tooling order

[oohsam]

Hi guys,
Based on all the input I've received I am buying my first set of tools for my milling machine, and I have constructed this list for your review.

Looking for comments on anything that I don't need, should get instead of, or additional items to add. This order is about $600 worth.




A77 ER32 MT4 COLLET CHUCK #A77
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-39/ER32-MT4-MK4-COLLET/Detail


A07 ER32 COLLET SET (19 PCS) #A07
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-18/FULL-ER32-COLLET-SET/Detail


L04 75MM BORING HEAD WITH MT4 M16 SHANK & 12 PCS 18MM BORING BARS #L04
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-644/75MM-BORING-HEAD-MT4/Deta (http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-644/75MM-BORING-HEAD-MT4/Detail)i (http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-644/75MM-BORING-HEAD-MT4/Detail)l (http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-644/75MM-BORING-HEAD-MT4/Detail)


H02 7 PCS. CARBIDE ENDMILL - 4 FLUTE - TiAlN COATED #H02
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-453/Center-Cutting-Tungsten-Micrograin/Detail


C95 4 FLUTE HSS AL ENDMILL MILLING CUTTERS (7 PCS) #C95
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-110/4-FLUTE-HSS-AL/Detail


H99 RIGHT ANGLE SHOULDER FACE MILL - BAP #H99 (50mm)
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-694/RIGHT-ANGLE-SHOULDER-FACE/Detail


L81 22MM MT4 FACE MILL ARBOR -M16 #L81
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-708/INDEXABLE-FACE-MILL-MITSUBISHI/Detail

[Ueee]

Looks fine to me, the only thing I would suggest is staying away from carbide endmills until you are used to your machine, get some roughing endmills instead, and you will need inserts for your face mill. The apkt style fave mills also need a bit of power and rigidity to drive them properly, you may be better off with a cutter with a 45deg approach. I'll find one to show you what I mean.

Ew

[RayG]

Looks fine to me. Just double check that your drawbar thread is M16.

You might want to get an indexable boring bar at some point in the future, those brazed carbide ones that come in the sets, seem to chip really easily. Although they can be re-sharpened easily enough.

Ray

[kwijibo99]

I would add a set of slot drills.

2 FLUTE HSS M2AL SLOT DRILL MILLING CUTTERS (7 PCS) - METRIC #G98 (http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-450/2-FLUTE-HSS-M2AL/Detail)

You will need these if you want to mill pockets or blind keyways.
You could probably get away with ordering just a 5mm and a 12mm but if you might as well get the set up front.

If your budget is tight I'd ditch the boring head unless you think you will have a use for it right away.
And like Ueee said you can probably ditch the carbide end-mills unless you really think you will need them.
Cheers,
Greg.

[Machtool]

A77 ER32 MT4 COLLET CHUCK #A77
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-39/ER32-MT4-MK4-COLLET/Detail


A07 ER32 COLLET SET (19 PCS) #A07
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-18/FULL-ER32-COLLET-SET/Detail


L04 75MM BORING HEAD WITH MT4 M16 SHANK & 12 PCS 18MM BORING BARS #L04
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-644/75MM-BORING-HEAD-MT4/Deta (http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-644/75MM-BORING-HEAD-MT4/Detail)i (http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-644/75MM-BORING-HEAD-MT4/Detail)l (http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-644/75MM-BORING-HEAD-MT4/Detail)


H02 7 PCS. CARBIDE ENDMILL - 4 FLUTE - TiAlN COATED #H02
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-453/Center-Cutting-Tungsten-Micrograin/Detail


C95 4 FLUTE HSS AL ENDMILL MILLING CUTTERS (7 PCS) #C95
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-110/4-FLUTE-HSS-AL/Detail


H99 RIGHT ANGLE SHOULDER FACE MILL - BAP #H99 (50mm)
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-694/RIGHT-ANGLE-SHOULDER-FACE/Detail


L81 22MM MT4 FACE MILL ARBOR -M16 #L81
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-708/INDEXABLE-FACE-MILL-MITSUBISHI/Detail


I have very little to add, regarding your tool selections, but that's the best presented table I've ever seen on a forum. Click-able links and every thing. Well done.

Regards Phil.

[oohsam]

Sweet thanks for the replies guys.
I've updated the list.

CTC don't sell a 45 Degree facemill so I'll source on ebay or something like that.
They also don't have a MT4 threaded arbor and key-less chuck so I'll source that elsewhere too.
I'd prefer to get most of what I need in one order to maximise my shipping, so happy to add stuff if need be.
Hopefully any new Milling guy sin future will stumble on this list and find it somewhat useful.




ER32 MT4 COLLET CHUCK #A77
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-39/ER32-MT4-MK4-COLLET/Detail


ER32 COLLET SET (19 PCS) #A07
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-18/FULL-ER32-COLLET-SET/Detail


75MM BORING HEAD WITH MT4 M16 SHANK & 12 PCS 18MM BORING BARS #L04
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-644/75MM-BORING-HEAD-MT4/Detail


4 FLUTE HSS AL ENDMILL MILLING CUTTERS (7 PCS) #C95
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-110/4-FLUTE-HSS-AL/Detail


22MM MT4 FACE MILL ARBOR -M16 #L81
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-708/INDEXABLE-FACE-MILL-MITSUBISHI/Detail


2 FLUTE HSS M2AL SLOT DRILL MILLING CUTTERS (7 PCS) - METRIC #G98
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-450/2-FLUTE-HSS-M2AL/Detail


4 FLUTE HSS AL ROUGHING ENDMILL CUTTERS (6 PCS) - METRIC #G99
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-451/4-FLUTE-HSS-AL/Detail

[RayG]

While you are waiting patiently for that shipment of tools to arrive... here is some basic introduction to milling operations.. http://ttv.mit.edu/videos/127-machine-shop-4

Ray

[Ueee]

I have not had any experience with the dowel type face mills ctc sells, I imagine they would be easier on the machine than the 90deg type. Even my hm50 run out of rigidity at a 2mm doc with a 2" apkt cutter. Of course the vernier barely notices a 2mm doc.....

Ew

[oohsam]

While you are waiting patiently for that shipment of tools to arrive... here is some basic introduction to milling operations.. http://ttv.mit.edu/videos/127-machine-shop-4

Ray

Thanks ray, I'll watch it when I get home !


I have not had any experience with the dowel type face mills ctc sells, I imagine they would be easier on the machine than the 90deg type. Even my hm50 run out of rigidity at a 2mm doc with a 2" apkt cutter. Of course the vernier barely notices a 2mm doc.....

Ew

Ew,
Is there a facemill you can recommend for me, being my first face mill. I've done a quick search and am struggling to source a 45 degree facemill that would suit. - or anyone else can chime in also.

[pippin88]

A fly cutter is often cheaper.

CTC may be able to match a drill chuck with an arbor. They matched a imperial drawbar threaded arbor with metric boring head for me. Send them an email.

[Stustoys]

Click-able links and every thing. Well done.
:clap::clap:Indeed. I cant remember every lathe/wigget on the market and get grumpy when I have to chase them up to try and answer someones question. Hey I'm a grumpy old man lol



I'd be thinking hard about one of these spanners
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-67/ER32-SAFETY-SPANNER-%23A47/Detail

Especially if you are going to be holding endmills in your ER32(which of course you are)

Stuart

[Ueee]

I'd be thinking hard about one of these spanners
http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/the-67/ER32-SAFETY-SPANNER-%23A47/Detail

Especially if you are going to be holding endmills in your ER32(which of course you are)

Stuart

I thought of that earlier today and then promptly forgot....

This is the 45deg type face mill. http://www.machineryhouse.com.au/M515 I'm sure there will be a cheap one somewhere.....

I'll check the H.P requirements for the dowel type VS APKT, the dowels would leave a pretty good finish i reckon. Has no one got one?

Ew

[Ueee]

According to Iscars calculator the round inserts will actually use more power then an APKT, not what i expected. However the force on an APKT is all radial, on a dowel or 45 deg cutter it is shared radially and axially.

Ew

[.RC.]

I assume you do have a dial test indicator (lever type) and holder?

[Ropetangler]

[QUOTE=oohsam;1752247]Hi guys,
Based on all the input I've received I am buying my first set of tools for my milling machine, and I have constructed this list for your review.

Looking for comments on anything that I don't need, should get instead of, or additional items to add. This order is about $600 worth. [QUOTE]

If money is no problem Sam, Just ask Ewan, Stuart, Ray and BT what they have and then just get the same.:D:D:o
Rob.

[Ueee]

If money is no problem Sam, Just ask Ewan, Stuart, Ray and BT what they have and then just get the same.:D:D:o
Rob.

Hehe...i'd love to see my UPA5-S6 on that machine.....not to mention all 110kg of my dividing head:D

Ew

[RayG]

If money is no problem Sam, Just ask Ewan, Stuart, Ray and BT what they have and then just get the same.:D:D:o
Rob.

Thanks Rob, are you trying to get Sam into trouble... he might be already, no need to dig any deeper just yet. :D

Ray

[oohsam]

hahahahaah

Thanks Guys! Yes, uhm, money is not 'no object' but I have a little to spend, and yes, there is a good chance I'll be getting into trouble, but its easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission, right? lol

Ew, I see now the difference with that Face Mill. I'll have a look around and see what I can find.

I've added that wrench to the list too! Flicking CTC an email now to ask them about the drill arbor and chuck.
Oh and I have to go double check my spindle is M16.

Really appreciate the help guys, would have never been able to put that list together without all your help on this post, and the other posts I made.

now i just have to wait!

[Oldneweng]

hahahahaah

Thanks Guys! Yes, uhm, money is not 'no object' but I have a little to spend, and yes, there is a good chance I'll be getting into trouble, but its easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission, right? lol

Ew, I see now the difference with that Face Mill. I'll have a look around and see what I can find.

I've added that wrench to the list too! Flicking CTC an email now to ask them about the drill arbor and chuck.
Oh and I have to go double check my spindle is M16.

Really appreciate the help guys, would have never been able to put that list together without all your help on this post, and the other posts I made.

now i just have to wait!

Re the drawbar thread, have a look at my last post in your "Drawbar Removal Tool" thread. It was put in the wrong place as I was using my phone which is rather difficult for replies.

Dean

[Hornetb]

I've been looking at this 45 degree face mill:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/170941291273?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

There are some cheaper ones on ebay from HK and China, no idea to what quality though.

Both will need a 22mm arbor. Worth looking into what inserts you would require for them also and see what is readily available and what the price is like.

As someone mentioned, a fly cutter is cheaper and can easily be made by yourself. However I think I'll still get a face mill for speed.

[Stustoys]

If money is no problem Sam, Just ask Ewan, Stuart, Ray and BT what they have and then just get the same.:D:D:o
Sshhhhhhhhhh. You've got to start them off slow, once they realise the're on a slippery slop its to late for them to turn back, before they know it the're buying an optical profile grinder :D



I've added that wrench to the list too!
Hey, spending someone else's money is fun. (and makes a nice change lol)

Stuart

[Michael G]

If money is no problem Sam, Just ask Ewan, Stuart, Ray and BT what they have and then just get the same.:D:D:o


Can I use this as a defence? "Of course I'm not spending too much on machines and tooling - I can prove it - I wasn't listed with the other guys"

Michael

[Stustoys]

Can I use this as a defence? "Of course I'm not spending too much on machines and tooling - I can prove it - I wasn't listed with the other guys"

lol Well I'm not sure it will work.. but you're welcome to try.

Mine was always "its cheaper than golf"(pretty sure she doesnt believe me anymore, if she ever did)

[Ropetangler]

Can I use this as a defence? "Of course I'm not spending too much on machines and tooling - I can prove it - I wasn't listed with the other guys"

Michael

Ahhh sorry, but I don't think so.:no: You are EVERY bit as guilty. But in truth , you are not on your own, you have plenty of mates on this forum.:D
Rob.

Edit. I see that Stu is a much faster typist than I am

[PDW]

Can I use this as a defence? "Of course I'm not spending too much on machines and tooling - I can prove it - I wasn't listed with the other guys"

Michael

Keeping them in total ignorance works a lot better.... anyway compared with boats, even golf starts looking cheap. The steering gear for my boat was priced at over $8000. I made it myself thereby freeing up the same amount of money to buy tooling. That's my logic and I'm keeping to it.

PDW

[oohsam]

Keeping them in total ignorance works a lot better.... anyway compared with boats, even golf starts looking cheap. The steering gear for my boat was priced at over $8000. I made it myself thereby freeing up the same amount of money to buy tooling. That's my logic and I'm keeping to it.

PDW

hahahahah. Gold.

Ignorance is definitely a winner.
My wife still thinks that the new drill in the garage (milling machine) cost $200.
lol