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SurfinNev
25th July 2014, 10:12 AM
Rare they are. I have one that cost me around the same price but was in excellent condition. Even have a rarer ( new and unused as yet) set of change gears for it that I have never come across again. The rust is quite bad in places on this one. Also seems to be missing the drive attachment for the leadscrew. Toyo Sakai ML1 High Precision Miniature Clock Jewellers Lathe Made IN Japan in Palm Beach, QLD | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Toyo-Sakai-ML1-high-precision-Miniature-Clock-Jewellers-Lathe-Made-In-Japan-/301252599221?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:3160)

cba_melbourne
29th July 2014, 11:35 AM
Rare they are. I have one that cost me around the same price but was in excellent condition. Even have a rarer ( new and unused as yet) set of change gears for it that I have never come across again. The rust is quite bad in places on this one. Also seems to be missing the drive attachment for the leadscrew. Toyo Sakai ML1 High Precision Miniature Clock Jewellers Lathe Made IN Japan in Palm Beach, QLD | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Toyo-Sakai-ML1-high-precision-Miniature-Clock-Jewellers-Lathe-Made-In-Japan-/301252599221?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:3160)

That is the first model they made. It did compete with the EMCO Unimat SL. My first own lathe was a TOYO ML-210, bought it new in the early 80's, complete with the milling column. It was of exceptionally high quality and finish. The whole lathe did weigh just 7kg, plus the accessories. In my opinion, the ML1 now on eBay if far far overpriced. It could be worth it to a collector if it was in pristine as-new condition. As it looks on the pics, I would say $200 max.

SurfinNev
29th July 2014, 05:57 PM
That is the first model they made. It did compete with the EMCO Unimat SL. My first own lathe was a TOYO ML-210, bought it new in the early 80's, complete with the milling column. It was of exceptionally high quality and finish. The whole lathe did weigh just 7kg, plus the accessories. In my opinion, the ML1 now on eBay if far far overpriced. It could be worth it to a collector if it was in pristine as-new condition. As it looks on the pics, I would say $200 max. Yeah, $200 is about what it may be worth. I think that the later Toyo lathes such as the ML-210 were made in Korea? Besides the ML2 Facing Lathe I think it (the ML1) was the only one actually made in Japan. http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lathes.co.uk%2Ftoyo%2Fpage4.html&ei=YUPXU9XQMpKB8gXgg4CoCg&usg=AFQjCNHVEwUa26edlLSof0LPVkNrTeDMCA&bvm=bv.71778758,d.dGc The one problem with mine I discovered after I got it was the 3 jaw chuck was damaged, probably from overtightening . One jaw was broken and a crude repair done, but it was not really usable. Try to find a new one for these if you want a challenge. Have plans to adapt a Unimat style chuck when I get around to it, by modifying to match the original spindle mount.

cba_melbourne
30th July 2014, 12:19 AM
Yeah, $200 is about what it may be worth. I think that the later Toyo lathes such as the ML-210 were made in Korea? Besides the ML2 Facing Lathe I think it (the ML1) was the only one actually made in Japan. http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lathes.co.uk%2Ftoyo%2Fpage4.html&ei=YUPXU9XQMpKB8gXgg4CoCg&usg=AFQjCNHVEwUa26edlLSof0LPVkNrTeDMCA&bvm=bv.71778758,d.dGc The one problem with mine I discovered after I got it was the 3 jaw chuck was damaged, probably from overtightening . One jaw was broken and a crude repair done, but it was not really usable. Try to find a new one for these if you want a challenge. Have plans to adapt a Unimat style chuck when I get around to it, by modifying to match the original spindle mount.

My ML210 lathe and mill column was made in japan by Toyo Sakai Special Camera Ltd in Toyonaka City. The manuals and part lists came in Japanese, English and german (in case you need a copy let me know). They also made an ML-360 lathe and it came from japan too. Both machines are still available today, only slightly changed (like with variable speed now) under the name Proxxon. I do not know where Proxxon manufactures nowdays, probably Japan has become too expensive for hobbylathes.

As for the chuck mount, I have no idea what the ML1 used. But the ML-210 had a short taper mount with three M4 allen screws. Just like a miniaturized camlock. Spindle and tailstock taper was MT1.