Fake Mahr DTI

[morrisman]

How can the Chinese get away with this ?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Level-Dial-Test-Indicator-Gauge-Scale-Precision-Metric-Dovetail-Rails-0-0-8mm/141286939508?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140106155344%26meid%3Df1e77dc59f514953af0db4b5d9fdbe24%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D20140106155344%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D131320824983&rt=nc

[cba_melbourne]

How can the Chinese get away with this ?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Level-Dial-Test-Indicator-Gauge-Scale-Precision-Metric-Dovetail-Rails-0-0-8mm/141286939508?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140106155344%26meid%3Df1e77dc59f514953af0db4b5d9fdbe24%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D20140106155344%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D131320824983&rt=nc

Simple. You get what you pay for.

Honestly, what do you expect? This is a brand new DTI in box and with accessories for AU$ 14.97 buy it now, plus only AU$ 0.47 for postage from Hong Konk to Australia. The seller nowhere claims that it is a Mahr. The dial features no maker name, nor does the box it comes with. It is an honest and genuine no-name Chinese DTI. I would not hesitate to recommend it as Christmas present for technically inclined kids from 8 to 14 years of age. Ideal to take apart and learn what is inside a DTI, without any guilt or remorse.

[Stustoys]

Where does it claim to be a Mahr?

[bob ward]

In the blurb it is claimed to be a Fowler.

[morrisman]

Wrong link ... I'm having too many brain fades :no:


here it is

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/131320824983?_trksid=p11001.c100197.m3722&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20141119122739%26meid%3D527e6c27c9604a05b5cac2c5834e7ca8%26pid%3D100197%26prg%3D20141119122739%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D321609069575&ssPageName=ADME:X:ONA:AU:3160

[variant22]

In the blurb it is claimed to be a Fowler.
Sometimes I wonder if this is more lost in translation and utter cluelessness (copy/paste item description from a similar thing) rather than malice. Or it might be a classic case of keyword spamming..

[Stustoys]

ohhh the famous Mitutogo

[RayG]

I don't see the problem. it's a cheap DTI... I'd buy it for that money, maybe that's all it's worth?

Then again, this is cheaper again... http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Level-Gauge-Scale-Precision-Metric-Dovetail-Rails-0-0-8mm-Dial-Test-Indicator-/351237271984?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item51c75f71b0
for $12.96 and free shipping... what's not to like. :D

Ray

[franco]

Sometimes I wonder if this is more lost in translation and utter cluelessness (copy/paste item description from a similar thing) rather than malice. Or it might be a classic case of keyword spamming..

I suspect this is the case. The seller seems to be somewhat misleadingly using "Carl Mahr Puppitast Dial Test Indicator" as a generic description for this type of DTI. Once again he states in the product description that it is actually a Fowler DTI.

Some other recent discussion on the subject towards the end of this thread:

http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=184581&highlight=puppitast

Frank.

[bob ward]

Sometimes I wonder if this is more lost in translation and utter cluelessness (copy/paste item description from a similar thing) rather than malice. Or it might be a classic case of keyword spamming..


I'd go with the utter cluelessness. This seller has nearly 60,000 items listed in his or her store, most of them floss and flim flam. The DTI is just something else to offer, the seller doesn't know diddley about DTIs.

[PDW]

I just bought one.

Who could resist a genuine 'Made in Jepan' DTI for $12.95 including postage?

If it turns out to be a total POS - as I expect - I'll keep it to lend out to clueless woodworkers....

PDW

[Greg Q]

I just bought one.

Who could resist a genuine 'Made in Jepan' DTI for $12.95 including postage?

If it turns out to be a total POS - as I expect - I'll keep it to lend out to clueless woodworkers....

PDW

LOL. When I was a woodworker such a device would have been the devil's work.

Fowler is a US based tool label that sources tools from all over. I have a couple of older Fowler tools,,,a loupe from Japan and a Swiss made protractor, i don't think that they import anything of enduring quality anymore, relying instead on residual name recognition,

[Master Splinter]

Anything made in Jepan just must be quality, surely? At least it's not made in Chin.

[david.elliott]

Interview yesterday on ABC Radio with a Waygu beef producer here in WA's south west.
Currently sells to 20 countries worldwide and sells the beef before it's slaughtered, the demand is that great. So he's lucky in that.

Last week his son had a call from a client, a chef in a 5 star hotel in Shanghai, complaining that the quality was not as usual.
A quick discussion revealed that the cut purchased was not sold by the farmer.
Someone had copied, quite convincingly, the label that is usually cryovac-ed into the bag with the meat and sold at full price the fake labelled beef.

Easy fix for him, withdraw from the Chinese market. Is there nothing people won't do?
At least with the gauges the price is a give away...

[Greg Q]

I go to Shanghai from time to time and can verify that copies are made of almost everything. At one market they offer to copy anything with two weeks notice. Funny thing: I sold a swiss watch with box on ebay last year. The buyer was in China, and his feedback showed tgat he had purchased over a hundred similar items. He wrote to me that Chinese people with money will only buy genuine, thats why he buys his stock overseas!

[steran50]

How can the Chinese get away with this ?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Level-Dial-Test-Indicator-Gauge-Scale-Precision-Metric-Dovetail-Rails-0-0-8mm/141286939508?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140106155344%26meid%3Df1e77dc59f514953af0db4b5d9fdbe24%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D20140106155344%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D131320824983&rt=nc


HI,
Although that is one was listed as a Fowler as was the next one, basically they get away with it coz they don't recognize copyright. This is a Fowler http://www.fowlerprecision.com/Products/Test-Indicators/-8mm-Girod-Horizontal-Test-Indicator-52-563-252.html . I notice that they both say Jewelled what with Jelly Beans :laughing1:.

[eskimo]

If it turns out to be a total POS - as I expect - I'll keep it to lend out to clueless woodworkers....



hahahaha...thats not nice...calling woodworker clueless....thay own this site PDW!!!

[eskimo]

He wrote to me that Chinese people with money will only buy genuine, thats why he buys his stock overseas!

he is smart.....

[bob ward]

My $12.96 including postage DTI arrived. I thought it would be one of the usual Mitutogo DTIs but I was pleasantly surprised to find it is the much better Mitutoyc brand. It works well, when I wiggle the little lever the hand moves back and forth. Life is good.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff28/sirrobertthegood/IMG_0037_zps053129db.jpg (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/sirrobertthegood/media/IMG_0037_zps053129db.jpg.html)


I don't see the problem. it's a cheap DTI... I'd buy it for that money, maybe that's all it's worth?

Then again, this is cheaper again... http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Level-Gauge-Scale-Precision-Metric-Dovetail-Rails-0-0-8mm-Dial-Test-Indicator-/351237271984?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item51c75f71b0
for $12.96 and free shipping... what's not to like. :D

Ray

[Vernonv]

I routinely use one of those DTI's for dialing in purposes (i.e. relative/comparative measurements). Works well. Actually I'm on my second one, as I accidentally dropped the first and busted it ... glad it wasn't a $100 DTI. :)