Has any one seen one of these ?

[L.S.Barker1970]

Saw one of these at a pattern makers work shop last year some time, the guy wanted quite a little a bit of money for it, and at the time I considered it to be a little on the expensive side and gave it a miss.
Now a new year and work has taken of and I find that for one of my jobs at least I could do with a big pattern makers disc sander with tilting tables.
I rang the guy earlier today and it has since been sold, any one know where I can find one ?

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Melbourne Matty.

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I have had a few double disc sanders pass thru the shed over the years.
There was quite a few made in house by Patternmakers/ foundries.
The Barker I would rate as at least as good as a Wadkin.
The last I remember for sale was the same bod in Queensland that Alison bought her circ saw from. Don't know if it sold or not? Alison may be able to give you contact details.
I visited some Industrial design model makers yesterday and they had a nice patternmaker made one. Not for sale currently but the way the economy is headed who knows.
They were employing 8 a year ago now just the 2 partners and one employee.
Most Patternmakers have already gone to the wall but there may be another round of collapses in WA and Queensland with the mining tanking.
When John's valves went under a few years ago in Vic all their good gear was bought by a WA mob, they are probably now looking down the barrel.

I can sell you a kit to make your own if you can weld.:D
I have a few 30inch Wadkin discs and a 2hp C&H variable speed motor plus shaft and bearings.
I'd even cut up the heavy angle for a frame and fabricated the dust/safety covers.
A suitable contactor shouldn't be a problem from the Elec stash.
Hows a genuine Wadkin top guard sound,have one spare also.:roll:

I will never put it together thanks to now having Cams disc and bobbin.
H.:hpydans2::hpydans2::hpydans2::hpydans2::hpydans2::hpydans2:

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Had a search and the Grays March 2013 auction of Fidax foundry at Silverwater came up.
That one sold for $2519.
That was also where the last RS lathe went.
Ill see if that will come up too.
I did buy a grinder at that sale so maybe Grays somehow still let's me access.
Bit weird the way some stuff comes up and other doesn't.
H.

OK the RS lathe sold for $2229.
And on the same search a Wadkin RU came up on M4U.
This was sold no price but was from Mallinga ?! WA.
So maybe another Patternshop has folded already.
Will the last patternmaker please turn off the lights when you are leaving.

[Barterbuilt]

Not exactly the same ...but how's this
I'd buy it myself if I wasn't up to my ears

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/parramatta-park/power-tools/wadkin-30-inch-disc-sander-with-bobbin-sander/1069251106

[jgforsberg]

Not exactly the same ...but how's this
I'd buy it myself if I wasn't up to my ears

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/parramatta-park/power-tools/wadkin-30-inch-disc-sander-with-bobbin-sander/1069251106


Wow that got to be the oldest Wadkin sander i have seen. The Wadkin JR was made by 1916. I would really like to see that square tag above the wadkin name casting. You need this one Matty

Camo find a way to get a tag pic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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jack
English machines

[L.S.Barker1970]

Henry I was hoping you would chime in, if any one knows the where a pattern makers disc sander is it I will be you, as Cam calls you the "machine whisperer"
Thank you kindly for the offer of a kit one to put together, but unfortunately time is not my friend, the job will kick of in a few months perhaps sooner and I am still in the process of setting up a second shop to cope with the work load, I have 2 more Barker machines to recondition, paint, bearings etc..
The pattern making industry is in decline as you say, the actual trade through the years has gone through much change.
Over time I have purchased a lot of huon Pine from Pattern Making shops as many made the transition from using solid timber across to resin based pattern material.
This change also gave way to the exclusion of many woodworking machinery, I recall visiting one pattern shop 12 years ago that had all its equipment just sitting there covered in dust, the owner explained to me that the machines just didn't get the use any more, but they kept them in the shop "just in case".
I know of only a hand full of shops still going in and around Melbourne, many have closed their doors, the call for this sort of work is not as common as it used to be.
Who knows, I always think these things may come full circle, manufacturing eventually becomes to expensive over seas as a country who have had the monopoly becomes wealthier and the people demand a better quality of life.
Manufacturing may make its way back to Australia, but, will we have the skills and equipment to start again ?
I would like to think so in my lifetime anyway.

Melbourne Matty.

[L.S.Barker1970]

Not exactly the same ...but how's this
I'd buy it myself if I wasn't up to my ears

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/parramatta-park/power-tools/wadkin-30-inch-disc-sander-with-bobbin-sander/1069251106

Yes ! I did see that one last night, and thank you !
Its just a bit far away thats all, I actually thought Cam might bring it down for me ...lol
Jack its an oldie for sure, the bobbin part appeals to me, very handy !!

Melbourne Matty.

[camoz]

Jack,


Here is the tag:

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Unfortunately, I think it is a distributors tag, not the tag we were both hoping to see

Cheers,

Camo

[jgforsberg]

looks like the sander police came by and cleaned up the place. Hope you find some nice kit Matty and a Barker has always looked the part to me. Fine kit they made.

jack
English machines

[jgforsberg]

up on the Canadian forum you can hide as a member and look in on threads just like down here it seams. Can member hide and were are those setting?

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[auscab]

up on the Canadian forum you can hide as a member and look in on threads just like down here it seams. Can member hide and were are those setting?

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You just have to not be signed in Jack, then you miss out on the pictures some times , some times you see them though.
I think you see them if they are stored elswhere.
And more advertising as well I think.

Rob

[jgforsberg]

Rob I would show up as a guest if i was not signed in No? I see in the cut a paste i did 5 viewing this thread of which one was a guest so where is the 4 member i only see 3? could be a Mod i guess too. Anyway don't want to mud up Matty's thread. The barker i have seen from what you guys post of it is very heavy looking and i must say i like the band saws. Did they do a full range of machinery?

[auscab]

Jack,


Here is the tag:

Unfortunately, I think it is a distributors tag, not the tag we were both hoping to see

Cheers,

Camo


Fruit!! You got that Quick Cam. :D

[auscab]

Rob I would show up as a guest if i was not signed in No? I see in the cut a paste i did 5 viewing this thread of which one was a guest so where is the 4 member i only see 3? could be a Mod i guess too. Anyway don't want to mud up Matty's thread. The barker i have seen from what you guys post of it is very heavy looking and i must say i like the band saws. Did they do a full range of machinery?

Yes ,I think you show as a guest if not signed in .
I don't know whats going on when the numbers dont add up?

What was Barkers range of machine types ? I cant answer that . There is a bit though.
I saw a table saw with a large sliding table to the left of the blade , no tilt to the blade . and it was Barker I'm pretty sure , it was nice.

Rob

[hiroller]

If you click on "Settings" up the top right, there is a General Settings section on the left.
In there is an Invisible Mode switch if you want to hide.

[hiroller]

As for the pattern maker industry, there seem to plenty of pattern maker jobs here in Sydney but they expect you to be able to design swimwear!

[jgforsberg]

your just not worth your salt if ya can't do swim wear.:U

[Hardenfast]

Saw one of these at a pattern makers work shop last year some time, the guy wanted quite a little a bit of money for it, and at the time I considered it to be a little on the expensive side and gave it a miss.
Now a new year and work has taken of and I find that for one of my jobs at least I could do with a big pattern makers disc sander with tilting tables.
I rang the guy earlier today and it has since been sold, any one know where I can find one ?Melbourne Matty.

I think that one is a little younger than my Barker twin disc sander. The tables on mine are only half that size. Maybe that's what differentiates it as a pattern maker's sander?

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[L.S.Barker1970]

I think that one is a little younger than my Barker twin disc sander. The tables on mine are only half that size. Maybe that's what differentiates it as a pattern maker's sander?



Right on both accounts Boss!!
Barker machines with the cursive logo are early, whereas square bold Barker letters are of course a later machine.
The difference in the machine styles is that the build on pattern-makers' equipment are usually very refined for the accuracy in their use.
I think the differences are shown quite well here in this US Grinding and Polishing Machinery catalog below, the first three machines are traditionally grinding/sanding machines like the one you have shown, used for both timber and metal, the last two pic's show a large pattern-maker's disc sander, a very different machine to the others before.

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[Allison74]

Hi Matty,
The much sought after double grinder!

Ah very tempting but they take up a lot of space but then you've got heaps in that big workshop!

Sorry i can't help you with the address for that one in QLD. That was a Barker but he wanted silly money so I didn't touch it especially with the freight from there. I'll have another look but I'm pretty sure I lost the details.

Did you notice that in the last pic of the pattern maker series you posted that it's the spindle that is tilted not the table?
A different approach.

Have fun,
Alli

[Hardenfast]

Right on both accounts Boss!!
Barker machines with the cursive logo are early, whereas square bold Barker letters are of course a later machine.
The difference in the machine styles is that the build on pattern-makers' equipment are usually very refined for the accuracy in their use.
I think the differences are shown quite well here in this US Grinding and Polishing Machinery catalog below, the first three machines are traditionally grinding/sanding machines like the one you have shown, used for both timber and metal, the last two pic's show a large pattern-maker's disc sander, a very different machine to the others before.

Melbourne Matty.

Yes, I'd certainly like to get hold one of those huge 30" disc sanders with the bobbin sander on the other side, Matty. I'd be happy to let go of the old Barker twin-disc in exchange for one of them. I notice in previous images I've seen that the Barker machines were also fitted with those big ball-shaped counter-weights on the tables. Maybe these were an optional extra? The wheels on mine continue to spin for 3-4 minutes after it's switched off - beautifully balanced. One of the bearing is getting a little bit growly so it will probably be even better once the bearings have been serviced/replaced.

Wayne

[elanjacobs]

Yes, I'd certainly like to get hold one of those huge 30" disc sanders with the bobbin sander on the other side, Matty. I'd be happy to let go of the old Barker twin-disc in exchange for one of them. I notice in previous images I've seen that the Barker machines were also fitted with those big ball-shaped counter-weights on the tables. Maybe these were an optional extra? The wheels on mine continue to spin for 3-4 minutes after it's switched off - beautifully balanced. One of the bearing is getting a little bit growly so it will probably be even better once the bearings have been serviced/replaced.

Wayne
There's one up on Machines4u ( http://www.machines4u.com.au/view/advert/Wadkin-JTA-Disc-Bobbin-Sander/203007/ ), but you won't get much change from $5k

[Hardenfast]

There's one up on Machines4u ( http://www.machines4u.com.au/view/advert/Wadkin-JTA-Disc-Bobbin-Sander/203007/ ), but you won't get much change from $5k

Yes, it looks great except for the colour, but at $5K it's a little too much money for me at this stage. Also, it's located at South Australia which will mean another $700-$800 to transport it. Oh well.

[auscab]

There's one up on Machines4u ( http://www.machines4u.com.au/view/advert/Wadkin-JTA-Disc-Bobbin-Sander/203007/ ), but you won't get much change from $5k

Nice one EJ :D .
LOL, what are you doing looking at machinery ? :)


It looks pretty complete .
Any one know if the large bobbin is original , it looks different that the others. the cast collar for the 75mm bobbin is gone by the looks , but the mitre guage is there , that's a bonus.
Anything else missing ?

A real pity about the paint , I wonder if some of these machinery dealers are using two pack yet ?
Its probably a nightmare to get off !! if it is .

Does sand blasting do ok on two pack ?

Rob

[hiroller]

Shame about the paint job.
They even sprayed the cable.

[clear out]

It looks pretty complete .
Any one know if the large bobbin is original , it looks different that the others. the cast collar for the 75mm bobbin is gone by the looks , but the mitre guage is there , that's a bonus.
Anything else missing?

The large bobbin looks complete the 2 smaller appear to have the top and bottom caps missing.
The tape looks a bit suss also on them.
The large collar is fitted on the machine is it not.
The extra wooden one may be for use with the table tilted.
There is a bobbin up at the moment in Sydney and it has dodgy looking wooden bobbins.
H.

[elanjacobs]

Nice one EJ :D .
LOL, what are you doing looking at machinery ? :)


It looks pretty complete .
Any one know if the large bobbin is original , it looks different that the others. the cast collar for the 75mm bobbin is gone by the looks , but the mitre guage is there , that's a bonus.
Anything else missing ?

A real pity about the paint , I wonder if some of these machinery dealers are using two pack yet ?
Its probably a nightmare to get off !! if it is .

Does sand blasting do ok on two pack ?

Rob
I check that site regularly. Snapped up a real bargain on a wide belt sander for work once, never know what'll show up next.

Blasting will chew through pretty much anything, just have to make sure all the guideways are properly protected.

[Allison74]

Nice one EJ :D .
LOL, what are you doing looking at machinery ? :)


It looks pretty complete .
Any one know if the large bobbin is original , it looks different that the others. the cast collar for the 75mm bobbin is gone by the looks , but the mitre guage is there , that's a bonus.
Anything else missing ?

A real pity about the paint , I wonder if some of these machinery dealers are using two pack yet ?
Its probably a nightmare to get off !! if it is .

Does sand blasting do ok on two pack ?

Rob


One like that went for $500 at an auction a year or so ago in Sydney, the guy who bought it had no idea how big it was but was smart enough to know what sort of a bargain he'd got. I was chasing something else and figured it would get the last minute mad rush but it didn't. When I checked back I could've kicked myself but there were lots of crazy prices at that auction. A WX pattern mill for $200!

That paint job is obnoxious on such a nice machine.
The one up for auction in Sydney at the moment will need a paint job as well but it's a lot cheaper, an Italian one.
There was a smaller double disc, 620mm, that went for around $700. Maybe Matty decided smaller but available was better?

Jack has a thread on a UK site about making your own wooden bobbins. Looks like it works, he usually doesn't mess about.

http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/wdkin-jy-bobbin-sander-drums-roll-your-own-t55450.html

Have fun,
Alli

[Hardenfast]

Ended up seeing one advertised in Cairns and negotiated to buy it at a fair price, including a blower unit for dust extraction. Am still organising transport down to Gosford. These things apparently weigh-in at just under a tonne so its a substantial freighting project. Be a while until the shed is built and I can set everything up, but that's OK.

Wayne

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[clear out]

Ended up seeing one advertised in Cairns and negotiated to buy it at a fair price, including a blower unit for dust extraction. Am still organising transport down to Gosford. These things apparently weigh-in at just under a tonne so its a substantial freighting project. Be a while until the shed is built and I can set everything up, but that's OK.

Wayne

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That's a line shaft machine that's been converted isn't it?
I have a spare Al guard for the disc and a few spare discs and glue up clamp if your interested.
I still have about 20 feet of line shaft in my main shop but have moved the dusty stuff into a small annex.
If I didn't have so many cars and metal machinery in the shed I'd probably have chased this myself.
Be interested to have a decko at it when you get it to Gosford.
H.

[L.S.Barker1970]

Well done Wayne, looks good !
I'll hold out for a Barker branded one, call me fussy but I like the brand.

Melbourne Matty.

[Hardenfast]

That's a line shaft machine that's been converted isn't it?
I have a spare Al guard for the disc and a few spare discs and glue up clamp if your interested.
I still have about 20 feet of line shaft in my main shop but have moved the dusty stuff into a small annex.
If I didn't have so many cars and metal machinery in the shed I'd probably have chased this myself.
Be interested to have a decko at it when you get it to Gosford.
H.

Yes, it is a converted machine H, but to be honest I don't actually know what a line shaft machine is. Be quite happy for you to drive up to Somersby to check it out once it's here, and also to purchase any accessories or bits you have that may suit it. I'm pretty new to these things so any further info will certainly be appreciated.

Wayne

[Hardenfast]

Well done Wayne, looks good !
I'll hold out for a Barker branded one, call me fussy but I like the brand.

Melbourne Matty.

Yes, everything seems to turn up sooner or later Matty. It's amazing what's still sitting out there in sheds & old workshops, and sometimes even still being used. The Barker twin-disc sander I found came from a joinery in Western Sydney that was closing down and they said it was one of their favourite machines - they used it regularly. Patience & persistence will pay off eventually.

Wayne

[L.S.Barker1970]

Yes, everything seems to turn up sooner or later Matty. It's amazing what's still sitting out there in sheds & old workshops, and sometimes even still being used. The Barker twin-disc sander I found came from a joinery in Western Sydney that was closing down and they said it was one of their favourite machines - they used it regularly. Patience & persistence will pay off eventually.

Wayne

Thanks Wayne, I agree, it will be worth the wait !

Oh, Line shaft is basically any thing flat belt powered, the name "line shaft" came from when factories were set up with many machines and they all ran of a common drive shaft, not individually powered electric motors.

Melbourne Matty.

[Hardenfast]

Thanks Wayne, I agree, it will be worth the wait !

Oh, Line shaft is basically any thing flat belt powered, the name "line shaft" came from when factories were set up with many machines and they all ran of a common drive shaft, not individually powered electric motors.

Melbourne Matty.

Thanks for that info Matty.

The guy did say that it had been converted and a new drive motor (motors?) fitted to it, so that makes sense. He has assured me that the conversion was professionally installed and is electronically and mechanically sound, and he has actually sent me a little video of the machine running. It's always a little trepidacious to buy these things from afar and sight-unseen, but sometimes you have just gotta do what you gotta do.

Wayne

[camoz]

Wayne,

Great buy, glad you will be looking after it. Here is an image of how it once looked from the other side:

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I noticed that some parts had been removed, but the guy had said it could be converted back, so it would be worth asking him to include any missing pulleys and levers when he sends it down (I realise you will likely run it as is, but it would be a shame to have those parts disappear for all time, especially if someone in the future wants to convert it back). The catalogue I have says it weighed 816kg's, but obviously this was before the removal of some parts and addition of the motor/s.

Cheers,

Camo

[Hardenfast]

Wayne,

Great buy, glad you will be looking after it. Here is an image of how it once looked from the other side:

I noticed that some parts had been removed, but the guy had said it could be converted back, so it would be worth asking him to include any missing pulleys and levers when he sends it down (I realise you will likely run it as is, but it would be a shame to have those parts disappear for all time, especially if someone in the future wants to convert it back). The catalogue I have says it weighed 816kg's, but obviously this was before the removal of some parts and addition of the motor/s.

Cheers,

Camo

Many thanks Camo. I'm often amazed at the historical info you guys are able to access.

I asked the guy in Cairns about any original belt-drive components but he said that the machine was fully converted when he bought it, and that there were no additional/extra parts. As you mention, it would have been interesting to retain those fitments as they are just impossible to find later in case someone intends to do a full restoration back to original specifications.

In any case I have purchased the machine as it is currently comprised, and as long as it works nicely I'll be happy with that. It should be on it's way down to Gosford over the weekend so I would expect it to arrive here sometime next week. I'll be very interested to start researching availability of different sized bobbins etc. I'm sure they will be available from somewhere, right?

Wayne

[Hardenfast]

Well, the mighty Wadkin Disc/Bobbin Sander arrived today after a multi-stage trip from Cairns. It had been well fixed onto a pallet and shrink wrapped and seems to have survived the long trip without any problems.

You can't see much through the shrink-wrap but it looks like a very nice piece of classic, heavy equipment. Shame that I won't be able to install it in my shed to try it out for quite a while yet, but it will be very gratifying to finally get all of my machinery in position and operational.

Wayne

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[auscab]

Thats's a nice old Wadkin you got Wayne. I like the old stuff. What sort of shed are you putting up ? you may have mentioned before but I've forgotten . I'm more interested now because I may be doing a shed / workshop for myself soon . Ive been collecting a fair bit of Old Wadkin gear . Me and about 28 machines are looking for a home in the countryside , roughly 22 3phase and the rest single. I may have to pass a few of off .

Rob

[L.S.Barker1970]

Wayne thats great news !
I'm glad proceedings went smoothly!
It looks huge on that palate, I think your in for a treat, it looks like a good solid machine !

Melbourne Matty.

[Hardenfast]

Thats's a nice old Wadkin you got Wayne. I like the old stuff. What sort of shed are you putting up ? you may have mentioned before but I've forgotten . I'm more interested now because I may be doing a shed / workshop for myself soon . Ive been collecting a fair bit of Old Wadkin gear . Me and about 28 machines are looking for a home in the countryside , roughly 22 3phase and the rest single. I may have to pass a few of off .

Rob

G'day Rob.

And yes, I'm a fan of the old Wadkin gear as well. Like many here I am really into the older Australian brands of equipment like Barker, Macson, Wolfenden etc, but the Wadkin machinery is very nice also. Most impressive that you have 22 Wadkin pieces in your collection. I think from memory I have the following:



Wadkin 300mm Jointer
Wadkin Spindle Moulder
Wadkin Radial Arm Saw
Wadkin Bandsaw Sharpener
and now of course the Wadkin Disc/Bobbin Sander


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All pieces are 3 phase which means I can't run any of them until they're installed in the new shed, which will be 18m x 12m x 5m. This is as far as I've got with the shed project at the moment:

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Actually I'm a little bit advanced from this image as I have now just about finished filling at the low end, as well as excavating at the high end as you see in the photo. There were about 6-8 trees to bring down & remove as well as removing the stumps. Some of those were very big - up to 900mm diameter and 20m+ tall. A few of the root balls took hours to dig out and were extremely hard-going for my 4.5 tonne excavator. I've bought a steel kit for the shed which is already on site, but now I've run out of cash for a while (same old story) so the shed will be on the back-burner for a while. The next element will be the 150mm concrete slab which is another $14K bill, and then I can start to assemble the steel work.

What sort of machinery have you got in the collection? Do you have a shed already with 3 phase power available? Once I've got mine ready I will be "rationalising" some of my pieces, so will be on the lookout to buy/sell/trade various machines, and will therefore be very interested to talk to you and others at that time.

Wayne

[Hardenfast]

Wayne thats great news !
I'm glad proceedings went smoothly!
It looks huge on that palate, I think your in for a treat, it looks like a good solid machine !

Melbourne Matty.

Yes, I think it's one of the heaviest pieces of my equipment so far Matty, weighing it at just under a tonne. I have a nice German Martin panel saw from the 60's which may be a tad heavier, but there's certainly not too much in the collection that you could move by hand.

I'll be very interested to start researching where I can get replacement bobbins of various sizes, but all in good time.

Wayne

[auscab]

What sort of machinery have you got in the collection? Do you have a shed already with 3 phase power available? Once I've got mine ready I will be "rationalising" some of my pieces, so will be on the lookout to buy/sell/trade various machines, and will therefore be very interested to talk to you and others at that time.

Wayne

I have 22 /3 phase machines but nat all of them are Wadkin.
The radial arm saw and small table saw are Wadkin Bursgreen

Then I have

Wadkin DR 30 Band saw
ECA 5 head tennoner , which Im in love with and kiss
MF chisel and chain mortiser , XX as well
LQ overhead recessor
PK table saw with extension table 1950's Big baby , waiting to be set up.
PK table saw missing some parts late 1930s side wheel , which is the earliest numbered one that has come up so far as I have been told by the Wadkin Temple in Canada. I would love to do it up to have the earliest restored one before another more earlier one does show up . I do have a lot to do before hand though.

Of my others there is 4 other mortisers . One of them is the Wolfenden chisel and chain , then two chisel or chain wolfendens and two single phase asian chisels , one set up wit 3/8 the other 1/2 inch.
3 lathes , three more band saws , buzzer thicknesser and more .

Its all in a workshop in Toorak , most working , some under a lean to working and the rest under tarps. I knew that the likelihood of moving was strong and the last few years has been the chance to get this gear at good prices mostly .
So the move will be happening now and we have to decide on a property , sell a house and move house and workshop .

This is a dream come true for me . No debt and a comfy workshop design with some peace and quite is the goal .
Ill probably do workshop in stages , starting with 20 x 10 steel , then lean to off that for a blacksmithing section . I have a ci 1900 blacksmiths set up that I use every now and then , to have it set up just outside of my woodwork space will be so nice .

Yes , I will be keen to trade machines not needed for ones I want , Id rather do that than get cash for them I think . .

Rob

[Allison74]

Quite the collection you have there Rob.
I'm sure that you'll be happy to get them all set up.

I'm hoping to get my new workshop this year but I don't have that sort of collection to fill it. you're definitely going to need a pretty big shed for all that lot!
We'll all be looking forward to seeing it.

Have fun,
Alli

[Hardenfast]

That's a serious assortment of machines, Rob - most impressive! Hope everything goes well with the big venture and that you find a nice property that suits your needs. Have you got your eye on any particular place at this stage? How much land are you looking for? We ended up with a 14 acre property with an existing house, but no sheds - not a one, which has been very disappointing. Still, I've got plenty of time now to work away at my 5 year plan.

I very much like the sound of your Wolfenden chisel & chain mortiser. Given that you already have a Wadkin chisel & chain machine perhaps we can do a deal when everything is a little clearer? Like you I already have a collection of chain morticers, comprising 2 Tough machines and 2 Exceller machines - all Australian made, and a couple of Asian chisels. These are some of the machines I'll be looking to "rationalise" once my shed is set up - particularly if I could acquire a nice chisel & chain like the Wolfenden. I bet it's a huge, heavy piece.

I'm guessing it will be a mighty task to move all of them, but hopefully it will be a "once only" task. Same with me. Once they are placed into their position in the shed that's hopefully where they will remain. I ended up buying a little 2.5 tonne forklift to move my stuff around and it's already been invaluable. I hope to be able to upgrade it to an all-terrain machine in due course as it is sometimes a problem if I try to take it across the paddock - particularly if it's wet.

What sort of lathes have you got, by the way?

Wayne

[Hardenfast]

Quite the collection you have there Rob.
I'm sure that you'll be happy to get them all set up.

I'm hoping to get my new workshop this year but I don't have that sort of collection to fill it. you're definitely going to need a pretty big shed for all that lot!
We'll all be looking forward to seeing it.

Have fun,
Alli

Seems like there's a lot of us with shed/workshop projects at the moment, Ali. What have you got as a working area at the moment?

Wayne

[auscab]

Yes Alli I will be happy when it's done . I will be setting up the most important machines first and then work out the others.
I didn't actually know that I had that number of machines just because I hadn't thought of counting them in the last few years . The Electrician wanted to know the Amps of the ones in use so I counted up the lot . I was surprised !! There is only about seven single phase machines . Then the hand held single phase machine list which is big as well .

Other threee phase machines are the Jet spindle moulder , I want a better Spindle moulder one day .
The Servian Horizontal belt sander
Brookman Dowler
The Dust extractor

The Lathes I have Wayne are a Woodfast Lathe , not sure of the model , Its the nice old style one like the Hyco? before it , They keep turning up on ebay ( hey,:D it's a Pun , Am I supposed to pardon it :rolleyes:)
Then there is the Goldie copy lathe , I put it up here a while back . I suppose it's sort of not a lathe , but it has two head stocks and two tail stocks .
Then there is the face plate lathe I made , I never got around to putting it up here . Its the size of your latest Wadkin sander I think Wayne , with variable speed , It has a three phase motor but it actually runs off a single phase VFD. Ill Put in a picture .
One of the Wolfenden chisel or chain machines was taken apart for a machine rest out in front of it. Its a lathe that I can adapt with an angle grinder and welder to turn up what ever I like . I always wanted one so one day I just started building it . I dont think there is such a thing that I could buy under $10 or more , then it's limited to what its designed for.

We're looking at property's and small farms ATM around port Welshpool in sth Gippsland, some are 10acres some are 140 . The local area at 2.5 hours from Melbourne has that undiscovered feel about it , thats fine , discovered area's get more and more busy and the price is always going up and the traffic worse. We have plenty of family down there , there all inlaws to me , nice fisherpeople type some of them . It all started for them down there 1920s when a lovely private school girl, after her schooling, ran away from Melbourne to be with the guy she loved , a light house keeper , they had six children , and then those children all had children , which is roughly my generation , and we all had children . A family day down there can be BIG . My problem with that is remembering all the names :rolleyes:.

Rob

[Allison74]

Hi Rob, Wayne.
My new shop will have about 100sq metres and another 60 in an adjacent covered area outside, I need a space for the smaller boats I'm building.
Rob I really like your face plate lathe.

I have the Pickles MEM, a Delta/Invicta 16" Rt40, Wadkin WS pattern mill, a Barker 36" bandsaw, Wadkin BER spindle, SCM thicknesser/jointer combination, and a big Italian bobbin sander to fit in plus the lathe I'm building. Plus a few machines of slightly less repute but they work well enough for what I do.

I have a serious lust for a Wadkin RU or one of the big Olivers but I'm building something similar. 1.5metre diam. over the bed when the gap is open, 3.6m max. between centres and the ceiling will limit outboard to 2.7m diam.
I have a few projects that need some large diameter turning.

To get back to the original topic, large disc sanders. I need a couple as well and they are just not around, well at sensible prices anyway, so I plan to build them. I can laminate aluminium onto a plywood disc with a large lathe faceplate and then mill the aluminium flat on the pattern mill or true it on the lathe.
Concrete in a form ply box provides the necessary mass to stabilise the base and deal with any vibration from mounting a 38mm shaft in pillow blocks. Ply and aluminium for the tables. They don't have to be particularly complex machines to do the job.
They are less complex than your lathe.

Have fun,
Alli

[auscab]

I will put up more pics of my faceplate lathe in a new thread , I've almost got around to it a few times before.
I use it for machining radius dishes for guitar making ATM , I have a board and can set it up as a sanding disc as well .
I can also machine across the table with a router while the disc spins which is how I trued up the face plate . I glued 5mm masonite to the cast iron and machined that , then screwed two layers of ply to that.
I have to move the table and build a better tool rest so I can free hand turn as well.

A RU would be a nice big thing to have Alli , have you ever seen one up close ? I haven't.
building with concrete is a great way to go , that's what I did for the base of my faceplate lathe .Ive thought of doing the same for a large RS type of lathe .

Rob

[clear out]

Matty,
Ring me.
H.

[Hardenfast]

Matty,
Ring me.
H.

Looks exciting....

[Allison74]

Clearout,

Matty is so busy and has all those moulders cluttering up his workshop so he doesn't have any space for a big double disc, a sad situation indeed. We all feel for him.

So as a friend he's asked me to help him out and store any double discs that come up.
But you just need to send him the bill!

Have fun,
Alli

Looks good.

[L.S.Barker1970]

Clearout,

Matty is so busy and has all those moulders cluttering up his workshop so he doesn't have any space for a big double disc, a sad situation indeed. We all feel for him.

So as a friend he's asked me to help him out and store any double discs that come up.
But you just need to send him the bill!

Have fun,
Alli

Looks good.

Now now Alli, come on be reasonable ...

lol

Melbourne Matty.