WIP window

[DaveTTC]

I get no cave time but i do work with wood for a living. From time to time i do a little more than wall framing and second fix.

This job requires a window to fit this opening

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/31/aa0aea8c24e45232e205b6d01b8fc6ab.jpg

Stau tuned

Dave TTC
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[Christos]

Ok.

[Arron]

Yep, always wondered about the practicality of making my own windows.

I have a couple of non-standard ones which I might do if this looks doable.

Cheers
Arron

[Simplicity]

Well come on
Don't hold us all in spence [emoji3]

[DaveTTC]

Well i cant claim the same artisan product as would come from pittwater Pete but here goes

From pic one you see the opening. Finished external size of frame was to be 2100 x 600. The client had hos own glass 2000 x 8200.

What a shame when the glass guy said the glass could not be cut ... now back to original size.

The window needs to match this

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/01/1776826ada6c785d2c362c4d82801f0d.jpg

And somewhat resemble this

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/01/6ed86b8a4baa64048b1054ab3f6608fd.jpg

Dave TTC
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[DaveTTC]

The window is only fixed panes with a stile down the middle so rather simple. Just getting the sill close is the only thing that takes a little more time

Starting at the saw

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/01/2beccb0195bb707f32d80b9695c5cedb.jpg

Please dont tell on me. Know guard and no riving knife. But it works. Some safety. I had a push stick. Worse thing is i have to admit i use a GMC

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/01/57c5455d236a77faea281419085212fe.jpg

Dave TTC
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[Pittwater Pete]

Dave, Can't you get Tallowood sills from you local timber yard?
It looks like a standard 7 x 3 or you could get away with a 6 x 3

Pete.

[Pittwater Pete]

Yep, always wondered about the practicality of making my own windows.

I have a couple of non-standard ones which I might do if this looks doable.

Cheers
Arron
Hi Arron
It's really not that complicated. You should give it a go. I'm happy to guide you if required.

Pete.

[DaveTTC]

Dave, Can't you get Tallowood sills from you local timber yard?
It looks like a standard 7 x 3 or you could get away with a 6 x 3

Pete.
Our local timber yard is bunnings or mitre10. Not sure what they have.

My boss wants me to use what he had in stock.

I did not get any pics of cutting the sill. I set the saw on 10° and with the plank on edge rippped a bevel.

Some of you may appreciate our $6000 mobile work bench

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/01/f6b9f3b3eb465ab553060fcec576de4b.jpg

The sill was done from a piece if 240 x 45 and later ripped down to 190. As the debth of cut was limited by blade diameter the bevel was made bigger using the power plane

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/01/f02b7ed38c422f8df74c75d5684ecbc3.jpg

Dave TTC
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[NZStu]

Watching this thread with great interest as I have some grand fenestration plans of my own :)

[ian]

Our local timber yard is bunnings or mitre10. Not sure what they have.

My boss wants me to use what he had in stock.

I did not get any pics of cutting the sill. I set the saw on 10° and with the plank on edge rippped a bevel.


The sill was done from a piece if 240 x 45 and later ripped down to 190. As the debth of cut was limited by blade diameter the bevel was made bigger using the power plane

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/01/f02b7ed38c422f8df74c75d5684ecbc3.jpg

Hi Dave

don't forget to cut the drip lines before you install the sill.

[DaveTTC]

Hi Dave

don't forget to cut the drip lines before you install the sill.
Good call Ian

So the drip lines. The original windows had a double drip groove / line so I decided to match

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As my battery saw only has a 2mm curf i decided on a double pass each line. Just clamped a straight edge as you see in the pic.

Normally I would rebate the styles, head and sill to take the sash or in this case glass as fixed panes. The boss just wanted planed stops for the glass so onto assembly as soon as the head and sill is checked out for the styles

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/03/99bbd03976bc96a784a001f771ddc2c0.jpg

I used a laminate trimer with a 10mm parallel bit set 5mm deep. On the left far side and the near rhs the timber splits out do to rotation direction of the bit. To prevent chip out I pre-cut the edge with a chisel. I run my trimmer base against a square and cut to the marked lines. Good to do a cut in the middke and then work to each edge.

Dave TTC
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[Pittwater Pete]

Lookin good Dave, pictures and everything. Sweet! :D

Pete.

[DaveTTC]

Moving right along it was time for assembly

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/04/4603dfead719e00a5f62758fa8be2684.jpg

The boss did not want me to bother with rebates for the glass so planted stops to be fitted on site.



Dave TTC
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[ian]

The boss did not want me to bother with rebates for the glass so planted stops to be fitted on site.

Not sure that eliminating rebates is such a good idea.

In part the rebates are there to help stop water getting past the glass, and (in conjunction with glazing beads) to allow the glass panes to be easily replaced.

I wouldn't be trusting a bead of silicon to seal the glass against the weather.

[rwbuild]

Sikaflex the internal beads to frame and seal glass side of beads with sika as well before glazing but wait 24hrs before fitting glass then glazing silicon for external beads, won't leak then

[DaveTTC]

Not sure that eliminating rebates is such a good idea.

In part the rebates are there to help stop water getting past the glass, and (in conjunction with glazing beads) to allow the glass panes to be easily replaced.

I wouldn't be trusting a bead of silicon to seal the glass against the weather.
i agree but im not the boss

Sikaflex the internal beads to frame and seal glass side of beads with sika as well before glazing but wait 24hrs before fitting glass then glazing silicon for external beads, won't leak then
thanks ray, too late for the first step but can still do the second

[DaveTTC]

I have finished and installed and it is glazed. Hope to get more pics up soon, sorry for delay

Dave TTC
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[Handyjack]

I have finished and installed and it is glazed. Hope to get more pics up soon, sorry for delay

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art

Delay?
I am not sure if your boss excepts it but I think I know why there has been a delay.

On behalf of all concerned, thank you and well done on taking on and looking after the Woodwork Forum stand at the Timber and Working with Wood Show. :2tsup:

Look forward to the images.

[DaveTTC]

Window in and double drip groove

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/15/87c329ddeaad7f551038b3f8514f4b5d.jpg

From another angle

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/15/2dcfb5dd4927f28f6f5523861bd77631.jpg

You may be able to better make out the planted stops and glass bead in this pic

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/15/476cdcf2ca4d266992ab91d79e163c4a.jpg

Or a closer shot

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/15/056b765e301bc1cf6eb8d4db50a60c41.jpg

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art

[rwbuild]

Looks good.

Sill flashing?

[DaveTTC]

Looks good.

Sill flashing?
Only the paper running underneath. I always used aluminium roll as a minimum but again I'm only a pleb on this. Did convince a flashing on top though

Dave TTC
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[rwbuild]

Top not a problem, its above 45 deg from bottom of fascia. The only hope now is Sika sealant side architraves and apron mold to ext lining & window and around sill horns.
If the cladding matches the existing then you have to flash sides before the cladding and that runs behind the horns and OVER the sill flashing.

I'm a bit worried about your boss's mindset and building practices. Careful your not made the fall guy. Document, photo & diaries everything for your own protection in case anything goes pear shaped. I speak from experience, it worked for me. Only trying to protect your best interests.

[DaveTTC]

It has all been sealed thank goodness. Yes i do keep a photo diary of many things. Much is done in a way I would not do

Dave TTC
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[rustynail]

A window without flashing is not a window, it's a worry.

[Pittwater Pete]

Some things are just out of our control Mate. Nice neat job though. Well done!

Sorry I couldn't make the Melbourne Show, and thanks again for your kind offer but Suzie & I had our 25th wedding anniversary. She didn't want to spend it at the show. Women, I'll never understand them :).

I'm coming down next year though, so I'll expect to be picked up from the airport then:).

Best regards.

Pete.

[DaveTTC]

Women. They just dont understand the more important things.

1/4 of a century ... not a bad effort.

Airport - I'll be there

Dave TTC
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[Pittwater Pete]

You Champion!

[DaveTTC]

For those who have been following you would have read that the window has planted stops and beads. My preference is for a rebate.

Given this is as instructed and not as I woukd do one thing i did do was reduce the size of the planted stops on the centre style. Note back in this pick here

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/20/5a8bb8e9a86cdd843989886ad96e9b32.jpg

You will pick this detail in a few other pics too. Readon for this is the stops will be concealed due to the architraves on the inside on the outer perimeter but the center style will obviously be exposed. IMHO the illusion of a rebate on the center style is more asthetic than had the stops come flush.

Now a pic glazed

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/20/e05c1f411f6b562636a4069558733b66.jpg

It has been sealed around the outside and obviously the glass too

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/20/b4e3fc850c0e4680a96cd19b838af4a0.jpg

Not a brilliant pic from the inside but it gives an idea of the reduced stop.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/20/993de92a9b5f00dc98fe844d4abdd04d.jpg

I dont advocate this is how a window should be made but the principles can help someone build one. As mentioned, there are things I would do different.

In the coming months i maybe working on building an older style double hung window with concealed/cavity screens top and bottom.

That is if I dont get Pete to make them for me ;)

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art

[Pittwater Pete]

Nice one!
Don't forget the chisel that's on the sill. You'll need it to make your double hung. ;)

Pete.


Pittwater Pete
Living the dream.

[DaveTTC]

I am missing one but i dont think it's that one

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art

[Pittwater Pete]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/23/cae73067bcc31194f5a3f6250bfa24b9.jpg
I had that problems so solved it with a few new Two Cherries chisels.
Pete.

[DaveTTC]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/23/cae73067bcc31194f5a3f6250bfa24b9.jpg
I had that problems so solved it with a few new Two Cherries chisels.
Pete.
Found my missing one but would happily take them off your hands ;)

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art

[Dirk_Pittwater]

He won't even let me use them Dave.
Although he did give me his narex paring chisel set which are only a few weeks old so I can't complain.

Nice window making aswell. Still waiting for dad to teach me how he makes traditional windows.

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[DaveTTC]

Im sure he will get to it.

I have some floors that would really benefit a clean with some good sharp chisels. Most of the nails ate punched and not many staples sticking out ;)

Dave TTC
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