Hyco Junior Table saw (or bench saw ?)

[bladehunter]

I recently purchased a Hyco Junior table saw off evil bay and am currently in the process of doing a tidy up \ restoration.

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Luckily everything that was meant to turn turned freely and all fasteners came loose without any drama at all. After derusting via electrolysis I'm ready to prime then paint. Add some new bearings, pulley, belt & blade and we're set to go. Luckily at the time my good ole ma was getting rid of a treadmill so power will be supplied by said treadmill motor & electronics.

I was just wondering if any of you kind people have any info or pictures relating to this machine.

Cheers
Rob

[Oldbikerider]

Rob,

Nice saw. I recently restored something similar, mine is a tilt top Hyco, also from e***. For what it's worth I used Brunswick Green enamel on mine because it seemed to match the original colour.

I found it difficult to find info on Hyco, but have a hunt around Trove here; 25 Jul 1952 - Advertising (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/23179279?searchTerm=hyco%20machinery&searchLimits=)

And here; Index of /www.titaniumstudios.com/titaniumstudios.com/tooljunkie/paper (http://archives.dcemulation.org/www.titaniumstudios.com/titaniumstudios.com/tooljunkie/paper/)

My saw bears a close resemblance to Walker Turners of the same era. There must have been some sort of licensing arrangement, or else they just plain copied many aspects the designs. You can find info on Walker Turners here VintageMachinery.org | Welcome (http://vintagemachinery.org/)

Graham.

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[bladehunter]

Thanks for the info Graham, my particular one seems to be a bit of an orphan machine, I'm even wondering if it could even be a prototype or a "foreign order" machine. Hight and tilt adjustments have no markings and are all manual, no fancy wheels or the like. The original colour seems to be a bit of a guess, main body seems to be Indian Red but the under side of the table was bright red.
The spindle is curious in that the bearings are 5/8" and the arbour for the blade is 16mm, maybe this might give an indication to it's period, or not, or some where along the line a new spindle was manufactured.

Did you spend much time using filler on the castings or did you just paint them in the "raw" state ? Now that mine are panted they look really rough or would a light sand and recoat suffice ?

Cheers
Rob

[Oldbikerider]

Rob,

Ahh, I didn't realise from the photo that your table tilts.

When restoring machines like this I deliberately try to not improve on the original finish, but rather try to bring it back to how it looked from the factory. So if something's broken, or rusted away I'll repair it, but I try very hard not to fill casting marks that were there from the factory and were not originally filled. Both my Hyco tilting saw, and a Hyco bandsaw I restored had surprisingly rough castings, much worse that British or US one's I've seen, and it was very tempting to get the angle grinder out, or to use body filler, but I resisted. For little holes and divots that from photos I can see were filled at the factory I fill them with either car bog (on the bare cast iron) or blade putty between two primer coats. I also brush or roll good quality enamel, correctly thinned, on for multiple top coats which helps smooth out the small casting marks.

The process I use on a machine like this is; de-grease, paint strip, wire brush/sand where necessary to get all the paint off, de-rust, phosphoric acid treatment, light wire brush, enamel primer, light sand, second primer coat if necessary, brush or roll 2 or 3 top coats of epoxy enamel. I generally don't sand between top coats, but I do leave them a long time between coats (1 or 2 weeks minimum depending on weather). Also, when the first coat of primer is on I will take a cold chisel and knock off any of those little spherical blobs that seem to grow out of the cast iron. A second primer coat seals over these areas.

Graham.


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[bladehunter]

Cheers for that, I think I'll sand back the first top coat, not entirely happy with the colour, then hit it again with a few more coats.And if I'm feeling really enthusiastic a coat of clear.
This is my first tool restoration so I'm a little wet behind the ears.

[Oldbikerider]

More photos please. You're keeping us all in suspense!

Graham.

[Stewie D]

I have some photos of a Hyco 10" tablesaw that I can post up if you like. Nothing too closesup as it was for an ebay ad a couple of years ago. It is the same model as mine except mine has a heavy hardwood stand so if you want some more detailed shots I can whip the tarp off and take a few.

Stewie

[Oldbikerider]

Stewie,

If your question was to me, I always like to see more Hyco photos, so yes please. My request was to Rob for photos of his restoration.

Graham.

[bladehunter]

Some pics....colour is well a bit hmm
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Table looks rusty in photo but actually came up ok, is pitted but that can be worked around.

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Fence bracket after dip in electrolysis bath and hit with brass wheel. Actually has been spray with chain wax to keep rust at by for the moment.

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[Oldbikerider]

Rob,

Nice colour!

So it looks like you're rattle can spraying? In that shot of the main casting I can see what you mean by the rough surface. Did you prime first? Maybe try many more coats of top coat? Or if it really bothers you, strip the top coat off, it won't take long if it's rattle can paint, then start again with multiple heavy coats of primer.

The paint I use, White Knight Epoxy Enamel, is available in two forms, rattle can spray, and conventional liquid tins as are other brands. Ive often wondered if it's the same paint inside, the only difference being how much it's thinned. If it's typically the same, then adding more coats should get to the same film thickness eventually.

Graham.

[bladehunter]

Two coats of primer and just a single top coat. I was thinking a couple more top coats might be the answer.
Still not 100% about the colour.
I'm using Rust-oleum epoxy gloss, White Knight didn't have the colour I was after, tho not sure if this is colour I'm after :doh:.

Then again as long as it works that's the main point, not wanting a show piece.

[Oldbikerider]

Bunnings will mix White Knight epoxy enamel to any colour. I had them use their colour matching machine to mix me the paint for my recent Hyco bandsaw project.

Do you still have a sample of the original colour?

But yes, it's just a tool :)

Graham.

[Stewie D]

So here are a few photos of my 9 1/4" Hyco tablesaw from under the tarp plus a link to a 10" hyco on ebay at the moment for reference. In my archives I have a Safari website of a Hyco Junior like bladehunters above but for the life of me the photos won't come up. Hmmm.

10" Hyco tablesaw on ebay
Table SAW Highest Quality Australian Made in VIC | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/301697540089?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)


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I think I have some photos of another 9" Hyco like mine but they may be on another computer.

Here we go...


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Stewie

[bunya pine]

I recently purchased a Hyco Junior table saw off evil bay and am currently in the process of doing a tidy up \ restoration.

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Luckily everything that was meant to turn turned freely and all fasteners came loose without any drama at all. After derusting via electrolysis I'm ready to prime then paint. Add some new bearings, pulley, belt & blade and we're set to go. Luckily at the time my good ole ma was getting rid of a treadmill so power will be supplied by said treadmill motor & electronics.

I was just wondering if any of you kind people have any info or pictures relating to this machine.

Cheers
Rob

Rob

do have any pictures of the finished restoration?

Cheers stew

[Lappa]

We were warned!

[bunya pine]

We were warned!

Team

I found this photo on the net of a similar hyco saw

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170721/b6562afc71ca7bbf8eb5b4498fddc2c9.jpeg

And this one is currently on gum tree.

Hyco table saw | Power Tools | Gumtree Australia Lake Macquarie Area - Kilaben Bay | 1154438014 (http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/1154438014?utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_content=app_ios&utm_medium=social&utm_source=sms)

I wonder if red was the original colour instead of green? I note these have the ball bearing badges in lieu of the hyco junior cast into it......

Cheers stew

[Zsteve]

I listed/sold that one, probably a bit too cheap but needed to clear out some items for a friend. Really nice little saw with rise and fall, plus you could angle the table.

Yes was original colour.

[Gaza58]

I wonder if red was the original colour instead of green? I note these have the ball bearing badges in lieu of the hyco junior cast into it......

Cheers stew

I think they must have gone through a red phase at some point as I have seen quite few Hyco machines that have all been this red Colour.
Gary

[RonaldR]

mine is similar434858

[bunya pine]

mine is similar434858

Ronald I notice you have two fences? Any reason for that?

[RonaldR]

Ronald I notice you have two fences? Any reason for that? It had 2 Fences when I bought it - not bad for $50.


I only bought it as it was Australian Made and Vintage and in good condition, Have not been able to find out much about Hyco over the last 2 years. The business was sold in the 50’s. My saw was built in the second half of the 40’s or early 50’s just going on messages I have received about it.
Hyco was a very active company; they had retailers all over Australia and in Tassie, there was just a sole distributor. They did the Australian show Circuit demonstrating their machines (that would have taken a lot of doing as all their equipment was very heavy. They did not seem to receive any support from the Media as the only article I could find where a Schools P & C bought a Hyco Table Saw for their manual arts dept. but was able to find 100’s of newspaper ads placed by their retailers. When Hyco was sold table saws and a few other lines were still sold under the Hyco name but believe the Colour was changed from Red to Green. The big Lathes were sold by the new company with combines brand names “WoodFast Hyco” 2 years ago when I tried to find out about Hyco was contacted by 2 people that had Hyco machines One had a large drill press which he refurbished as he said he could not buy a better drill press today and the other chap had a large Table Saw it cost him nothing except the hire of a crane and a truck to collect and deliver to his shed but they had not been able to find much about Hyco. It’s criminal that such history is lost but back then they were just another Manufacturer but today we find it important as there are virtually none left in Australia. Back then washing machines were manufactured in all cities Here in Perth there were even a Holden assembly plant Panels, Parts and engines & Gearboxes were shipped by train and they were assembled and painted here. 4 Manufacturing companies I remember well are Lightburn, Hills, Triton and Maton (guitars the only one still in Australia now 72 years old and most of the Guitars they manufacture are exported I think Maton could be the oldest manufacturing company in Australia today a family owned business) and right up to the mid 70’s most Australian Guitarist had an Australian made Amplifier.
With my Hyco have not got around to building a stand for it yet have designed a Steel One and a Wooden one which expands the table surface and most probably will have a fence built into it and that way it will not end up as scrap metal as most Hyco have. When I do the Country Show & Field day circuit I will display a poster size blow-up of the Hyco nameplate to see if it draws any attention. As If any are left they will be in the country.
We can thank Hawke & Keating that Triton was sold to a foreign buyer as with a floating currency gives foreign buyers a large discount to start with. Then the tax dept gives small business a hard time especially manufacturing and the tax department treats the development of new technology and products as a tax dodge. But must say the German company done an excellent job designing the Router.