4 Saws of the Sawpocalpse

[DSEL74]

The other day I was looking around for handsaw to do a quick cut and realised I don't have any.

I was offered to buy these four bout thought they were a bit expensive. Came gone and looked on eBay etc and considering you can't get these kind quality saws anymore and the prices they are selling on eBay I decided to pick them up.

I know some of you guys are saw consumers and make appreciate them or alert me to a unicorn


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[Simplicity]

You have brought
Or are planning on buying them

[DSEL74]

Have bought.

[Luke Maddux]

I'm not sure if it's a unicorn, but the Sorby with the 5tpi profile is awesome.

Nice pickup.

Cheers,
Luke

[Simplicity]

Will you bring them to the saw class then.
I hope so
Nice score AGAIN lol

[DSEL74]

Luke what draws you to the Sorby?

Matt, where else will the magically become sharp?

[Luke Maddux]

Luke what draws you to the Sorby?


Most everything...

The lack of rust, the visible stamp, the intact horns, the sculpted lambs tongue, the recessed medallion, the flush sawnuts, the depth/width of the blade, and the aggressive toothing profile... for starters!

Mind if I ask what you paid for it/them?

[DSEL74]

I don't mind if you ask.[emoji39]

[DSEL74]

I paid $200 for the four saws, gun box and an eclipse saw set. I hope I did well.

[Luke Maddux]

I think you did. You basically have a complete arsenal of hand saws there.

I know jack about English saws, but the tenon saw looks old. They stopped putting that much detail into saw handles a while ago. If it were less than 100 years old I'd be surprised.

Bushmiller will drop some knowledge on us when he sees them. He's the saw man.

Cheers,
Luke

[Luke Maddux]

Plus they're all in well, well above average condition.

[Simplicity]

Luke what draws you to the Sorby?

Matt, where else will the magically become sharp?

In your magic shop with every know machine to man lol.
But I would be honoured to be seen in there company in a few weeks time [emoji41]if I may of course.(and check out the saw class thread it's getting close)

[Bushmiller]

Most everything...

The lack of rust, the visible stamp, the intact horns, the sculpted lambs tongue, the recessed medallion, the flush sawnuts, the depth/width of the blade, and the aggressive toothing profile... for starters!



And he's got this weird, crazy, messed up fetish going with roos. Must think they are unique to this part of the world or summat :rolleyes: .

Actually I agree with him in that saw looks really good. I also like the tenon saw, which looks like a fair lump of a back saw. They are definitely not my area of expertise. RayG might be your man there. It looks to be about 18" so would make a good saw filed rip for large tenons. It is what my irreverent son would describe as a "man's saw."

Any chance of some more close up (and sharp) pix of the medallions and any etch areas?

In fact I thought Luke did extremely well to identify the Sorby in the first place. There is not much wrong with his eyes even if he does have this thing for roos.

All those saws look like potentially excellent users providing they are straight and no missing teeth (actually even a missing tooth is no problem if they are keepers.)

Regards
Paul

[DSEL74]

The techs aren't very visible, the Sorby actually looks stamped rather than etched.

Not sure why all my photos are coming out hazy lately, I gave the lens a wipe as I thought it may have some workshop grease on it but doesn't seem to have helped. I'll try again.

[DSEL74]

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Three crowns at points of a triangle in position with Rob Sorry "kangaroo" Sheffield.
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The disston had an etch but is so faint I can't make it out. It does have N/H below the handle.
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Non breakable handle
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Mitre saw 18"
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[DSEL74]

Here are some more I grabbed at the flea market. I doubt there is much hope for these.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160413/a41ec55d50e0f2e13315df8af418940b.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160413/42fffbd5a92b61c3118e5d63eccb918d.jpg
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Disston, Anchor, Slack Sellers&Co., nothing.
All pretty rough but I got them as Foley fodder for testing the retoother and filer.

[Bushmiller]

DSEL

Looks like the Sorby and the Taylor are split nuts. Be careful if you plan on removing the handle at any time. There was a very good reason the later style Glover patent was universally adopted for saw screws. Those split nuts are fragile and the threads poxy!

Both saws look good, but I wouldn't let that Robt Sorby out of your sight as I know of somebody who had the panel saw little brother to that and I'll bet he is already thinking.....but I don't want to mention any names until he is safely back in the States.

I can't clearly see the medallion place name on the Disston and at first I thought it said "PHILADA" which would have placed it 1896 - 1917, butthe handle did not fit that era. Then I realised it probably says "PHILA" which makes it 1917-1940. That fits much better. If you can see the etch it is probably a D8. If the "8" is inside the "D" it makes it 1917 - 1928 and if the model is "D-8" it is 1928 - 1940: Same basic saw but there was a complete revamp of the model range in 1928. The D8 was ubiquitous and I describe it as their workhorse. Every carpenter would have had one if he was a Disston man. This information is readily available from the Disstonian Institute.

Disstonian Institute.com -- Online Reference of Disston Saws (http://www.disstonianinstitute.com/index.html)

I can't really help with the S & J except to say they made very nice saws, but I think there are a few people on the Forum who have some catalogues as I have seen them posted in the past.

Regards
Paul

[Bushmiller]

DSEL

Not so much in the second group, although I have heard good words said of the Slack Sellars brand

Regards
Paul

[DSEL74]

Paul, Any idea on the values? I see on eBay $100-200 saws but I can't really tell the differences that a enthusiast would.

I can tell the difference between the first and second lot.

[DSEL74]

I always assumed Sorby with the Kangaroo brand was Aussie obviously due to the animal in the logo. How wrong.
Sorby: A Famous Sheffield Tool Making Family by Geoffrey Tweedale (http://www.wkfinetools.com/contrib2/TweedaleG/SorbyFamily/SorbyFamily-05.asp)

[Bushmiller]

DSEL

I think most people assume that and so did I until I got this saw.

http://www.woodworkforums.com/f152/treasure-trash-196558

This is how it cleaned up:

http://www.woodworkforums.com/f275/robert-sorby-kangaroo-panel-201043

I think your saw looks a better example again and I would expect that it could be spectacular once restored.

Prices for things like this are all over the place. Firstly I would suggest that when you see a price on a saw on Ebay, save it in your watch list to see if it sells. People sometimes have a vastly inflated idea of how much something is worth. If it sells (allow at least one relisting) it was the right price, but if it still there two months later you know it is an inflated price. Dealers tend to ask for more money than private sellers, but there are some ridiculous private sellers out there too. The US Ebay is much more robust and active than our home grown version.

I think the $50 per saw you paid was very fair for good quality saws that were not restored in any way and would need a lot of work to be a user. You might have picked them up at a garage sale for $10 and you would have had an absolute bargain.

I bought the group of saws in the first link above for $70 sight unseen when one of my BILs phoned up. I took a punt. The three groups of twelve saws all up were like your second group you posted. There was virtually nothing in them. The auctioneer supposedly bid them to $20 for each group of four!!! There was another bag of odds and sods including the Sorby which I got for $10. It was the bargain.

Restored and ready to use I think the Sorby would be $120, The Disston could be $90 and the Spear and Jackson $80 to $90. Remember a lot depends on how they clean up.

For some sort of reference, these are saws that had for sale in the marketplace a short while ago.

http://www.woodworkforums.com/f275/disston-d8-thumbhole-ripsaw-5-1-2-ppi-201047
http://www.woodworkforums.com/f275/simonds-62-blue-ribbon-7ppi-crosscut-201048
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There are a few more around the same time if you wish to go looking. I probably would have got a little more money on Ebay, but I wanted to use the Marketplace that time around.

There is a big difference between a collectable saw and one that is a good old fashioned saw destined to become a user. The price for the users has to be well below those saws supplied by the boutique saw makers, which probably start around $A300. So a dealer trying to get $150 for saws like your is fighting an uphill battle.

The tenon saw is probably worth as it is $75. As a restored user $125+. The back saws often get better prices than the hand saws.

I hope that helps a little. I could ramble on all day about such things, but for many watching paint dry is a more attractive option :wink: .

Regards
Paul