Extreme Wadkinitus

[Vann]

Vann's a "Waddy" through and through :U

If you think documenting PK changes is bad, you wait until you see my next evil undertaking (it might get me to Chief Waddie status). I'm considering a list of Wadkins by test number (not just confined to PKs, but anything and everything I can find).

Well folks, here's my first cut - test number, followed by model & serial number, then country of residence...

Pre-1937
1313 - JY 107 (bobbin sander) – Australia;
2085 - ME 239 – New Zealand;
3197 - RS 133 – New Zealand (RIP);
4616 - PKA 266 – UK;
4713 - DH 163 (bandsaw) – New Zealand;
4818 - PL 105 (dimension saw) – UK > USA
5029 - RTA 148 – UK;
5391 - MN 133 - Canada;
7671 - RS 115 – UK;

1937
8446 - MJ 413 – UK;
9067 - PKA 390 – Australia;
9335 - RBA 183 (buzzer) – UK;

1938
9650 - PKA 405 – Australia;
9783 - PKA 412 - UK.

1939
11455 - CC 1059 - New Zealand;

1940
14594 - PKA 554 - Ireland;
15111 - RDA 441 (buzzer) – Australia;

1941
17392 - PKA 613 - UK;

1942
18695 - PKA 643 - New Zealand;

1944
22583 - PKA 725 - Scotland > Canada;

1945
24671 - PKA 785 - Australia;
25031 - PKA 800 - New Zealand;
27390 - MA 563 – UK;

1946
26657 - LQA 415 - USA;
26763 - MG 699 - New Zealand;

1947
29157 - PKA 969 - UK;

1948
30253 - PKA 994 - UK;
31145 - RD 694 - New Zealand;

1949
35284 - RE 668 (thicknesser) - Canada;

1950
35723 - PK 1202 - UK;
35898 - RR 142 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
36021 - RTA 339 - New Zealand;
36376 - RT 357 - New Zealand;
36408 - RE 705 (thicknesser) - New Zealand;
36554 - PK 1231 - UK;
36572 - PKF 108 - Canada;
37023 - PK 1271 - USA;
37264 - PK 1277 - Australia;
37727 - CQ 237 - Australia;
38139 - MG 987 - New Zealand;
38305 - SQ 319 - New Zealand;
38458 - FD 799 (five head moulder) – New Zealand;

1951
38946 - CC 2388 - New Zealand;
40404 - RTA 405 - UK;
41145 - RTA 380 - New Zealand;
41376 - RM 2039 - Canada;

1952
41587 - SP 610 - Australia;
41689 - PK 1437 - Canada;
420256 - PK 1445 - Canada;
42461 - PK 1451 - Canada;
42578 - RS 1291 (wood lathe) - Canada;
42825 - RR 299 (buzzer) - New Zealand;

1953
45347 - LQ 674 - New Zealand;
46020 - RS 1415 (wood lathe) - Canada;
46212 - JY 498 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
46284 - NQ 312-S - Canada?;

1954
48966 - LM 1266 - UK;
49379 - PK 1702 - Canada;
49784 - PK 1718 - Canada;
50585 - FD 1125 - Canada?

1955
50716 - PK 1754 - New Zealand;
51434 - PK 1778 - Canada > USA;

1956
53723 - PK 1863 - Canada;
53792 - RK 282 (thicknesser) – USA;
54256 - PK 1882 - USA;
54421 - PK 1887 - UK;
54425 - PK 1892 - Australia;
54477 - PK 1899 - Canada > USA;
54478 - PK 1900 - UK;
54521 - RM 2817 - New Zealand;
54580 - JY 569 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
54581 - CC 3253 (RAS) - Canada;
55049 - PK 1947 - Australia;
55228 - LQ 865 - Canada;
55670 - PK 1975 - Canada;
55676 - PK 1982 - UK;

I've stopped at 1956 at this time, as that's when Wadkin and Bursgreen got together and the waters begin to muddy (although I could probably go to 1960 without problems).

I'll add more as they come to my attention. Feel free to contribute.

Cheers, Vann.

[jgforsberg]

thanks Vann were pleased377134

[hiroller]

Jack, I see you got a nice mention in the latest Furniture and Cabinetmaking UK magazine.

[Allison74]

Vann you seem to be in quite a sorry state with this condition but there is a cure!!

It may sound a bit New Age or even Eastern Esoteric but this is what you do.
Stand in front of your Wadkin altar and breathe calmly.
Three prostations to the pictures of Green Lanes, 3 to the Wadkin Temple in the Great White Northern Land.
Sit down at your altar, gaze with unwavering focus at your various favourite Wadkin images and chant.

"Robinson, Sagar, Stenner, Cooksley, Haigh, Wilson, Dominion, White, Ransome and Pickles" a minimum of a thousand times while keeping count on your rosary of coloured beads (any colour but grey) and then relax into the tranquil state of mind that is free from the daily fixation of wadkin.

With persistence this daily practice will free you from your deluded state of mind.

Have fun,:D
Alli

[Vann]

...and chant. "Robinson, Sagar, Stenner, Cooksley, Haigh, Wilson, Dominion, White, Ransome and Pickles a minimum of a thousand times...If I chant "Robinson, Wadkin, Sagar, Wadkin, Stenner, Wadkin, Cooksley, Wadkin, Haigh, Wadkin, Wilson, Wadkin, Dominion, Wadkin, White, Wadkin, Ransome, Wadkin and Chutney" then I only have to repeat 500 times, right?

Cheers, Vann.

[L.S.Barker1970]

Stand in front of your Wadkin altar and breathe calmly.
Three prostations to the pictures of Green Lanes, 3 to the Wadkin Temple in the Great White Northern Land.
Sit down at your altar, gaze with unwavering focus at your various favourite Wadkin images and chant.
Alli

Some Aussies I know have made the pilgrimage to the great wadkin temple in the north to visit the mystical high priest.
I have heard great things, some returning down under in a now zen state claiming to have achieved perfect enlightenment.
I hope too to make the journey one day ....

Melbourne Matty.

[clear out]

You don't know the half of it Matty.:D
You drive down the street and there across a round about is a single story bit of suburbia.
Its the right address but it just doesn't look like Wadkin in the land of Joe.
Turn right around the traffic circle and what's that framing the double garage doors?:oo:
A pair of mortisers and in the middle a long lathe bed, to its left under a silver wrapping a DR36.:o
Edit... There's also an RD16 out there.:doh:
I won't bore you with what's inside you'll have to get a bait from our Guru.:;
H.

[jgforsberg]

Some Aussies I know have made the pilgrimage to the great wadkin temple in the north to visit the mystical high priest.
I have heard great things, some returning down under in a now zen state claiming to have achieved perfect enlightenment.
I hope too to make the journey one day ....

Melbourne Matty.

I think it's all rather fun. Henry's been and now one of your oldest students Matty . Tony Martin is taking his belated journeyman pilgrimage across North America and it was a delight to share the craft with him and meet another Auzzie . You trained him well . The temple doors are never locked . Just walk right in and join in the chant :::::::::::"Only pickles are green"

[Allison74]

You don't know the half of it Matty.:D
You drive down the street and there across a round about is a single story bit of suburbia.
Its the right address but it just doesn't look like Wadkin in the land of Joe.
Turn right around the traffic circle and what's that framing the double garage doors?:oo:
A pair of mortisers and in the middle a long lathe bed, to its left under a silver wrapping a DR36.:o
Edit... There's also an RD16 out there.:doh:
I won't bore you with what's inside you'll have to get a bait from our Guru.:;
H.

Ah,
the perfect acolyte.
So stunned by the aura of the temple that all he beholds become godlike in his mind.
A mere DR30 becomes a DR36, the pinnacle of bandsaws in his fevered imagination.
The mortiser is a Stenner but such is the hold upon his imagination that he sees such quality and thinks it must be one of the hallowed Wadkins!

Such is the sad slippery path of the acolyte!

Pickles were always only grey. Wadkins turned green with envy!!

Have fun,
Alli:D
(the owner of the biggest Wadkin of any colour in town!):D

[Allison74]

If I chant "Robinson, Wadkin, Sagar, Wadkin, Stenner, Wadkin, Cooksley, Wadkin, Haigh, Wadkin, Wilson, Wadkin, Dominion, Wadkin, White, Wadkin, Ransome, Wadkin and Chutney" then I only have to repeat 500 times, right?

Cheers, Vann.

Sorry but that would just compound the problem.
In that case it would require a minimum of 2000 times a session and 2 sessions a day. Once before entering the workshop and again at the end of the working day to overcome the problem.:D

Have fun,
Alli

[jgforsberg]

Jack, I see you got a nice mention in the latest Furniture and Cabinetmaking UK magazine.
If you're talking about the article on Karin Mcbride ( Queen of the temple )written by Brian Green I haven't seen it yet. The magazines is not out yet here and it's pretty thin on the ground in Canada.

[clear out]

Just as well this is a fun thread (except for Vanns excellent info) as I have completely lost everyone I think.
I was referring to my recent visit to Raymond's place up in Queensland not Jacks over in Canada.
By the way I prefer any colour than grey, I served my time at a naval dockyard and everything was grey.
So put me in Ali and Dennis's green camp for now.
H.

[hiroller]

If you're talking about the article on Karin Mcbride ( Queen of the temple )written by Brian Green I haven't seen it yet. The magazines is not out yet here and it's pretty thin on the ground in Canada.

Yes, that's the one. I get digital magazines now. No delays and much easier to store.

[Allison74]

Just as well this is a fun thread (except for Vanns excellent info) as I have completely lost everyone I think.
I was referring to my recent visit to Raymond's place up in Queensland not Jacks over in Canada.
By the way I prefer any colour than grey, I served my time at a naval dockyard and everything was grey.
So put me in Ali and Dennis's green camp for now.
H.

Hi Henry,
I think you're wrong. We have to be serious about this.
We either encourage and support the Cult of Wadkin so that the true followers will only buy Wadkins and leave all the other good stuff alone for the rest of us mere mortals.
Or
We break them of their habit and get them all chasing the other stuff and that leaves the Wadkins for us.

There can be no half measures in this, it's a war of values.
Not those nebulous ethical principles etc but strictly monetary values. When the acolytes drive the prices up so that a rusty lathe goes for over $2000 and then the Chief Priest intones that it's cheap because in the Great White Northern Land they sell for $6000 then the rest of us have to act to save our bottom feeder approach to the old machine market. It's truly a clash of ideologies being waged across the globe.:D

Vann is a perfect example. He started out a nice "normal" guy, bought an old Preston bandsaw, it came from a totally Wadkin free shop. Then slowly it happened. First the PK virus and then when that has taken hold and riddled his poor soul he has slipped into such a parlous state that there has to be doubt about his future. Sitting in a darkened room trapped by a glowing screen typing endless lists of numbers, dates and acronyms!:oo:
My heart goes out to such lost souls


Navy - "Paint everything grey"
Army _ "Paint everything green"

So maybe a nice blue or black with red or gold highlights:rolleyes:


Have fun,
Alli:D

[Vann]

Vann is a perfect example. He started out a nice "normal" guy...Never !!


Sitting in a darkened room trapped by a glowing screen typing endless lists of numbers, dates and acronyms! Three more to add:
11454 - RU 161 (lathe) - UK;
37564 - RS 1126 - UK;
51952 - RTA 440 - UK.
(I'll add these to the main list in due course)



Navy - "Paint everything grey"
Army - "Paint everything green"Airforce - "Paint everything white"?

Cheers, Vann.

[Allison74]

Here you go Vann, just to give you your fix for the day.:D

35836 - WS240 early 1950 Aust.

48019 (or 46019 ) - WS290 mid 1954 ( or late 1953) UK

the only 2 WS mills I have details of though I have seen 2 others on fleabay UK.

Remember recite the mantra regularly throughout the day and freedom will come.

Have fun,
Alli

[Allison74]

Hi Vann,

Here's your daily fix.
I try to look after you.

I hunted through my pictures and found one of the other WS mills.

41542 - WS267 1952, in fact it was the first machine test no. for 1952, how's that for trivia?:rolleyes:
So it seems they only made 12 or so WS mills a year.

Have fun,
Alli:D

[Vann]

By the way I prefer any colour than grey, I served my time at a naval dockyard and everything was grey.
So put me in Ali and Dennis's green camp for now.
H.Here's why you should avoid green...

377314 377313 377312 377315 I think I'm going to throw up :D.

And here's why grey is just soooo much nicer...

377317 377316 Hmm, yummy :cool:.

Cheers, Vann :U.

[Vann]

Here you go Vann, just to give you your fix for the day.:D

35836 - WS240 early 1950 Aust.

48019 (or 46019 ) - WS290 mid 1954 ( or late 1953) UKThanks Alli. These came after a day trawling a UK forum for Wadkin serial and test numbers - with zero result (of course I can't use the second one without confirming the test number)


Here's your daily fix.
I try to look after you.

I hunted through my pictures and found one of the other WS mills.

41542 - WS267 1952, in fact it was the first machine test no. for 1952, how's that for trivia?http://d1r5wj36adg1sk.cloudfront.net/images/smilies/standard/rolleyes.gif
So it seems they only made 12 or so WS mills a year.Thank-you Alli (I know you're just humouring me - taking pity on a poor demented soul), I appreciate your contribution. I also trawled a well known UK auction site and came up with the following:
4501 - MA 263 - pre-1937 - UK;
4653 - EV 793 - pre-1937 - UK;
9510 - MA 137 (morticer) 1938 - UK;
14979 - EUV 164 - 1940 - UK;
24965 - MA 490 (mortiser) 1945 - UK;
30171 - LS 1925 (router) 1948 - UK;
35844 - RD 855 (buzzer) 1950 - UK;
39932 - MA 1119 - 1951 - UK;
41563 - MA 1195 (morticer) 1952 - UK;
45723 - RS 1404 (lathe) 1953 - UK;
57045 - EQ 1061 (spindle moulder) 1957 - UK.

Cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

Added machines in bold. Test number, followed by model & serial number, then country of residence...

Pre-1937
1313 - JY 107 (bobbin sander) – Australia;
2085 - ME 239 – New Zealand;
3197 - RS 133 – New Zealand (RIP);
4501 - MA 263 - UK;
4616 - PKA 266 – UK;
4653 - EV 793 - UK;
4713 - DH 163 (bandsaw) – New Zealand;
4818 - PL 105 (dimension saw) – UK > USA
5029 - RTA 148 – UK;
5391 - MN 133 - Canada;
7336 - EPA 646 (spindle moulder) - NZ;
7665 - ME 513 (mortiser) - Australia;
7671 - RS 115 – UK;

1937
8446 - MJ 413 – UK;
9067 - PKA 390 – Australia;
9335 - RBA 183 (buzzer) – UK;

1938
9510 - MA 137 (morticer) - UK;
9650 - PKA 405 – Australia;
9783 - PKA 412 - UK.

1939
11454 - RU 161 (lathe) - UK;
11455 - CC 1059 - New Zealand;

1940
14594 - PKA 554 - Ireland;
14979 - EUV 164 - UK;
15111 - RDA 441 (buzzer) – Australia;

1941
17392 - PKA 613 - UK;1942
18695 - PKA 643 - New Zealand;

1944
22583 - PKA 725 - Scotland > Canada;

1945
24671 - PKA 785 - Australia;
24965 - MA 490 (mortiser) - UK;
25031 - PKA 800 - New Zealand;
27390 - MA 563 – UK;

1946
26657 - LQA 415 - USA;
26763 - MG 699 - New Zealand;

1947
29157 - PKA 969 - UK;

1948
30171 - LS 1925 (router) - UK;
30253 - PKA 994 - UK;
31145 - RD 694 - New Zealand;

1949
35284 - RE 668 (thicknesser) - Canada;

1950
35723 - PK 1202 - UK;
35836 - WS240 (pattern mill) - Australia;
35844 - RD 855 (buzzer) - UK;
35898 - RR 142 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
36021 - RTA 339 - New Zealand;
36376 - RT 357 - New Zealand;
36408 - RE 705 (thicknesser) - New Zealand;
36554 - PK 1231 - UK;
36572 - PKF 108 - Canada;
37023 - PK 1271 - USA;
37264 - PK 1277 - Australia;
37564 - RS 1126 (lathe) - UK;
37727 - CQ 237 - Australia;
38139 - MG 987 - New Zealand;
38305 - SQ 319 - New Zealand;
38458 - FD 799 (five head moulder) – New Zealand;

1951
38946 - CC 2388 - New Zealand;
39932 - MA 1119 - UK;40404 - RTA 405 - UK;
41145 - RTA 380 - New Zealand;
41376 - RM 2039 - Canada;

1952
41542 - WS267 (pattern mill) - first machine test no. for 1952
41563 - MA 1195 (morticer) - UK;
41587 - SP 610 - Australia;
41689 - PK 1437 - Canada;
420256 - PK 1445 - Canada;
42461 - PK 1451 - Canada;
42578 - RS 1291 (wood lathe) - Canada;
42825 - RR 299 (buzzer) - New Zealand;

1953
45347 - LQ 674 - New Zealand;
45723 - RS 1404 (lathe) - UK;
46020 - RS 1415 (wood lathe) - Canada;
46212 - JY 498 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
46284 - NQ 312-S - Canada?;

1954
48966 - LM 1266 - UK;
49379 - PK 1702 - Canada;
49784 - PK 1718 - Canada;
50585 - FD 1125 - Canada?

1955
50716 - PK 1754 - New Zealand;
51434 - PK 1778 - Canada > USA;
51952 - RTA 440 (lathe) - UK;

1956
53723 - PK 1863 - Canada;
53792 - RK 282 (thicknesser) – USA;
54256 - PK 1882 - USA;
54421 - PK 1887 - UK;
54425 - PK 1892 - Australia;
54477 - PK 1899 - Canada > USA;
54478 - PK 1900 - UK;
54521 - RM 2817 - New Zealand;
54580 - JY 569 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
54581 - CC 3253 (RAS) - Canada;
55049 - PK 1947 - Australia;
55228 - LQ 865 - Canada;
55670 - PK 1975 - Canada;
55676 - PK 1982 - UK;

1957
57045 - EQ 1061 (spindle moulder) - UK.

I'll add more as they come to my attention. Feel free to contribute.

Cheers, Vann.

[ab1]

I've got a ME513, test no 7665, chain chisel mortiser.

Cheers,

Andrew.

[hiroller]

I see chair maker (and forumite) Glen Rundell picked up an RS lathe today - RS2512.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEfoIUwq0Mg/?taken-by=rundellandrundell

[Vann]

I see chair maker (and forumite) Glen Rundell picked up an RS lathe today - RS2512.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEfoIUwq0Mg/?taken-by=rundellandrundellI need a Test No. to add it to the list. But that tailstock handwheel suggests Bursgreen era, as does the high Serial No. - so it's probably much later than 1957 (currently the end of the list). I'm pleased to see that I've got Richard Findlay's RS 1126 in there though.

Cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

Added machines in bold. Test number, followed by model & serial number, then country of residence...

Pre-1937
1313 - JY 107 (bobbin sander) – Australia;
2085 - ME 239 – New Zealand;
3197 - RS 133 – New Zealand (RIP);
4501 - MA 263 - UK;
4616 - PKA 266 – UK;
4653 - EV 793 - UK;
4713 - DH 163 (bandsaw) – New Zealand;
4818 - PL 105 (dimension saw) – UK > USA
5029 - RTA 148 – UK;
5391 - MN 133 - Canada;
7336 - EPA 646 (spindle moulder) - NZ;
7665 - ME 513 (mortiser) - Australia;
7671 - RS 115 – UK;

1937
8446 - MJ 413 – UK;
9067 - PKA 390 – Australia;
9335 - RBA 183 (buzzer) – UK;

1938
9510 - MA 137 (morticer) - UK;
9650 - PKA 405 – Australia;
9783 - PKA 412 - UK.

1939
11454 - RU 161 (lathe) - UK;
11455 - CC 1059 - New Zealand;

1940
14594 - PKA 554 - Ireland;
14979 - EUV 164 - UK;
15111 - RDA 441 (buzzer) – Australia;

1941
17392 - PKA 613 - UK;1942
18695 - PKA 643 - New Zealand;

1944
22583 - PKA 725 - Scotland > Canada;

1945
24671 - PKA 785 - Australia;
24965 - MA 490 (mortiser) - UK;
25031 - PKA 800 - New Zealand;
27390 - MA 563 – UK;

1946
26657 - LQA 415 - USA;
26763 - MG 699 - New Zealand;

1947
29157 - PKA 969 - UK;

1948
30171 - LS 1925 (router) - UK;
30253 - PKA 994 - UK;
31145 - RD 694 - New Zealand;

1949
35284 - RE 668 (thicknesser) - Canada;

1950
35723 - PK 1202 - UK;
35836 - WS240 (pattern mill) - Australia;
35844 - RD 855 (buzzer) - UK;
35898 - RR 142 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
36021 - RTA 339 - New Zealand;
36376 - RT 357 - New Zealand;
36408 - RE 705 (thicknesser) - New Zealand;
36554 - PK 1231 - UK;
36572 - PKF 108 - Canada;
37023 - PK 1271 - USA;
37264 - PK 1277 - Australia;
37564 - RS 1126 (lathe) - UK;
37727 - CQ 237 - Australia;
38139 - MG 987 - New Zealand;
38305 - SQ 319 - New Zealand;
38458 - FD 799 (five head moulder) – New Zealand;

1951
38946 - CC 2388 - New Zealand;
39932 - MA 1119 - UK;40404 - RTA 405 - UK;
40404 - RTA 405 (lathe) - UK;
41072 - RS 1233 (RS 10 lathe) - Canada;
41075 - RS 1236 (RS 6 lathe) - Canada;
41145 - RTA 380 - New Zealand;
41376 - RM 2039 - Canada;

1952
41542 - WS267 (pattern mill) - first machine test no. for 1952
41563 - MA 1195 (morticer) - UK;
41587 - SP 610 - Australia;
41689 - PK 1437 - Canada;
420256 - PK 1445 - Canada;
42461 - PK 1451 - Canada;
42578 - RS 1291 (wood lathe) - Canada;
42825 - RR 299 (buzzer) - New Zealand;

1953
45347 - LQ 674 - New Zealand;
45723 - RS 1404 (lathe) - UK;
46020 - RS 1415 (wood lathe) - Canada;
46212 - JY 498 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
46284 - NQ 312-S - Canada?;

1954
48966 - LM 1266 - UK;
49379 - PK 1702 - Canada;
49784 - PK 1718 - Canada;
50585 - FD 1125 - Canada?

1955
50716 - PK 1754 - New Zealand;
51434 - PK 1778 - Canada > USA;
51952 - RTA 440 (lathe) - UK;

1956
53723 - PK 1863 - Canada;
53792 - RK 282 (thicknesser) – USA;
54256 - PK 1882 - USA;
54421 - PK 1887 - UK;
54425 - PK 1892 - Australia;
54477 - PK 1899 - Canada > USA;
54478 - PK 1900 - UK;
54521 - RM 2817 - New Zealand;
54580 - JY 569 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
54581 - CC 3253 (RAS) - Canada;
55049 - PK 1947 - Australia;
55228 - LQ 865 - Canada;
55670 - PK 1975 - Canada;
55676 - PK 1982 - UK;

1957
56040 - RS 3777 (RS8 lathe) - Canada;
57045 - EQ 1061 (spindle moulder) - Denmark.

I've been looking for patterns in the numbers (although the sample so far is quite small). There seem to be some anomalies, such as my RTA 380 (test 41145) was tested later than Mark (wallace)'s RTA 405 (test 40404).

377529 377530

And RS 115 (the 15th RS produced, we think) has test number 7671 - indicating it was tested about 1936. Whereas RS 133 (presumably the 33rd RS produced) has test number 3197 - indicating it was tested several years earlier.

377531 377528 note very different style of tags

The only two consecutive test numbers so far: 11454 and 11455, of 1939, have nothing in common - the first being RU 161, a lathe sold in the UK; the second being CC 1059, a saw exported to New Zealand. I'd have thought they'd be made or sold in batches, so that consecutive numbers would indicate either batches assembled together, or batches ordered/exported together. The first suggestion that they did some machines in batches shows with test numbers 41072 and 41075 (just three numbers apart) of 1951, belonging to RS 1233 (RS 10 lathe) and RS 1236 (RS 6 lathe), and both exported to Canada (along with 41073 & 41074 maybe?).

Cheers, Vann.

[hiroller]

Any idea where the test number allocation fitted into the manufacturing lifecycle?

[Vann]

Any idea where the test number allocation fitted into the manufacturing lifecycle?Idea? My best guesstimate is the testing was carried out immediately before shipping. So if the machines went into storage as they were completed, then left and were tested on a last-in first-out basis, that would explain earlier serial numbers with later test numbers.

But surely that would be bad business practice, as some customers would receive out-of-date models when stocks were low?

All just theory :?.

Cheers, Vann.

[clear out]

Wash your mouth out with soap.
Wadkins out of date?
NEVER.
H.

[Allison74]

Idea? My best guessimate is the testing was carried out immediately before shipping. So if the machines went into storage as they were completed, then left and were tested on a last-in first-out basis, that would explain earlier serial numbers with later test numbers.

But surely that would be bad business practice, as some customers would receive out-of-date models when stocks were low?

All just theory :?.

Cheers, Vann.

Yes.

But being good honest businessmen they colour coded them.
Grey for "old and out of date".
Green for "Good to Go"

Have fun,
Alli:rolleyes:

[jgforsberg]

this little bit in a catalog

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll29/oldtool1/testing_zps7tjnksqa.jpg (http://s284.photobucket.com/user/oldtool1/media/testing_zps7tjnksqa.jpg.html)

same catalog claims 300 employees and 5000 machines a year in 1958 but this includes all Co.

[AJOE123]

Vann ,Greetings from Geelong,
Here are my Wadkin numbers

PK1277 Test:3726
NH510 Test:66717
EQ2427 Test:70255
BL150 #77313 Wadkin Bursgreen

Cheers
Tony

[Vann]

Vann ,Greetings from Geelong,
Here are my Wadkin numbers

PK1277 Test:37264 - 1950
NH510 Test:66717 - 1962
EQ2427 Test:70255 - 1964
BL150 #77313 Wadkin Bursgreen - 1968
Thanks Tony, appreciated.

Cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

In my search for Wadkin tags I've found around 10 of these...

377709

EPA 280S - I assume the 'S' means 'Special' - and no test number (so it doesn't fit in the list :~) - but instead a test date: 19th August 1946.

Cheers, Vann.

[AJOE123]

Vann
Did I miss a post where you admitted to possession of the Wadkin birth registry?
Very prompt response and thanks.
T

[AJOE123]

Could the sequence be disturbed if a machine failed a Test and required further attention in the Works? Having gained its machine no. but not yet its test no.?
Sacrilegious talk really; how could a Wadkin fail?
T

[Vann]

Vann
Did I miss a post where you admitted to possession of the Wadkin birth registry?No, but I know where there is one :q

Cheers, Vann.

[AJOE123]

Vann
Had a look through my Wadkin photo file and found a few tags:

Wadkin&Co
MD343 Test4734
DH122 Test1450
PD351 Test4737
Wadkin Ltd
DR130S TestSC86 Like your EPA20S

Cheers
T

[AJOE123]

All the above in UK
T

[AJOE123]

A couple more in UK
PKA 607 #17093
pk 994 # 30253
T

[Vann]

Range extended to 1960.

Added machines in bold. Test number, followed by model & serial number, then country of residence...

Pre-1937
1041 - RB 7231 - UK;
1313 - JY 107 (bobbin sander) – Australia;
1450 - DH 122 - UK;
2085 - ME 239 – New Zealand;
3197 - RS 133 – New Zealand (RIP);
4501 - MA 263 - UK;
4616 - PKA 266 – UK;
4653 - EV 793 - UK;
4713 - DH 163 (bandsaw) – New Zealand;
4734 - MD 343 - UK;
4737 - PD 351 - UK;
4818 - PL 105 (dimension saw) – UK > USA
5029 - RTA 148 – UK;
5391 - MN 133 - Canada;
7336 - EPA 646 (spindle moulder) - New Zealand;
7665 - ME 513 (mortiser) - Australia;
7671 - RS 115 – UK;
7784 - SOA 350 - UK.

1937
8446 - MJ 413 – UK;
9067 - PKA 390 – Australia;
9335 - RBA 183 (buzzer) – UK;

1938
9510 - MA 137 (morticer) - UK;
9650 - PKA 405 – Australia;
9783 - PKA 412 - UK.

1939
11454 - RU 161 (lathe) - UK;
11455 - CC 1059 - New Zealand;
11704 - LSA 592 (ROUTER) - UK;

1940
14594 - PKA 554 - Ireland;
14979 - EUV 164 - UK;
15111 - RDA 441 (buzzer) – Australia;

1941
17093 - PKA 607 - UK;
17392 - PKA 613 - UK;

1942
18695 - PKA 643 - New Zealand;

1944
22583 - PKA 725 - Scotland > Canada;

1945
24671 - PKA 785 - Australia;
24965 - MA 490 (mortiser) - UK;
25031 - PKA 800 - New Zealand;
27390 - MA 563 – UK;

1946
26657 - LQA 415 - USA;
26763 - MG 699 - New Zealand;

1947
27918 - MA 580 (mortiser) - UK;
29157 - PKA 969 - UK;

1948
30171 - LS 1925 (router) - UK;
30253 - PKA 994 - UK;
31145 - RD 694 - New Zealand;

1949
34218 - MA 853 (mortiser) - UK;
35284 - RE 668 (thicknesser) - Canada;

1950
35723 - PK 1202 - UK;
35836 - WS240 (pattern mill) - Australia;
35844 - RD 855 (buzzer) - UK;
35898 - RR 142 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
36021 - RTA 339 - New Zealand;
36376 - RT 357 - New Zealand;
36408 - RE 705 (thicknesser) - New Zealand;
36554 - PK 1231 - UK;
36572 - PKF 108 - Canada;
37023 - PK 1271 - USA;
37264 - PK 1277 - Australia;
37564 - RS 1126 (lathe) - UK;
37727 - CQ 237 - Australia;
38139 - MG 987 - New Zealand;
38305 - SQ 319 - New Zealand;
38458 - FD 799 (five head moulder) – New Zealand;

1951
38946 - CC 2388 - New Zealand;
38990 - RT 361 (lathe) - UK;
39932 - MA 1119 - UK;
40404 - RTA 405 (lathe) - UK;
41072 - RS 1233 (RS 10 lathe) - Canada;
41075 - RS 1236 (RS 6 lathe) - Canada;
41145 - RTA 380 - New Zealand;
41376 - RM 2039 - Canada;

1952
41542 - WS267 (pattern mill) - first machine test no. for 1952
41563 - MA 1195 (morticer) - UK;
41587 - SP 610 - Australia;
41689 - PK 1437 - Canada;
420256 - PK 1445 - Canada;
42461 - PK 1451 - Canada;
42578 - RS 1291 (wood lathe) - Canada;
42825 - RR 299 (buzzer) - New Zealand;

1953
45347 - LQ 674 - New Zealand;
45658 - SR 1578 - UK;
45723 - RS 1404 (lathe) - UK;
46020 - RS 1415 (wood lathe) - Canada;
46212 - JY 498 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
46284 - NQ 312-S - Canada?;

1954
48966 - LM 1266 - UK;
49379 - PK 1702 - Canada;
49784 - PK 1718 - Canada;
50585 - FD 1125 - Canada?

1955
50716 - PK 1754 - New Zealand;
51434 - PK 1778 - Canada > USA;
51952 - RTA 440 (lathe) - UK;

1956
53723 - PK 1863 - Canada;
53792 - RK 282 (thicknesser) – USA;
54256 - PK 1882 - USA;
54421 - PK 1887 - UK;
54425 - PK 1892 - Australia;
54477 - PK 1899 - Canada > USA;
54478 - PK 1900 - UK;
54521 - RM 2817 - New Zealand;
54580 - JY 569 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
54581 - CC 3253 (RAS) - Canada;
55049 - PK 1947 - Australia;
55228 - LQ 865 - Canada;
55670 - PK 1975 - Canada;
55676 - PK 1982 - UK;

1957
56040 - RS 3777 (RS8 lathe) - Canada;
57045 - EQ 1061 (spindle moulder) - Denmark.

1958
59000 - FM 130 (buzzer/thicknesser) - UK;

1959
61036 - RZ 352 - Canada.

1960
63527 - JV 594 - USA;
62563 - EKA 1339 (5-head tenoner) - UK.

Cheers, Vann.

[scamp]

Hi. I have my 3 Wadkin machines that I would love to add to your list. At the moment I only have infomation on 2 but the Pk infomation will follow soon.

Wadkin pattern mill. WX250. Test No. 52626
DR30 bandsaw. DR972S. Test No. SC2952.
I will send details of my PK saw shortly. Thanks

[Vann]

Thanks scamp. Much appreciated. I've picked up a couple more numbers myself, but I'll wait until I get your PK numbers before I update the list.

I can't use your DR30 number unfortunately - the letters ("SC") just don't fit into the numbering system.

Cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

Added machines in bold. Test number, followed by model & serial number, then country of residence...

Pre-1937
594 - MG 141 - UK;
1041 - RB 7231 - UK;
1313 - JY 107 (bobbin sander) – Australia;
1450 - DH 122 - UK;
2085 - ME 239 – New Zealand;
2315 - NB 216 (knife grinder) - UK;
3197 - RS 133 – New Zealand (RIP);
3719 - MJ 244 (planer/thicknesser) - UK;
4501 - MA 263 - UK;
4616 - PKA 266 – UK;
4653 - EV 793 - UK;
4713 - DH 163 (bandsaw) – New Zealand;
4734 - MD 343 - UK;
4737 - PD 351 - UK;
4782 - EV 815 (spindle moulder) - UK;
4818 - PL 105 (dimension saw) – UK > USA
5029 - RTA 148 – UK;
5391 - MN 133 - Canada;
6281 - JV 139 (bobbin sander) - UK;
6556 - CC 847 (RAS) - UK;
6759 - KH 253 - UK;
6827 - MD 464 - UK;
7336 - EPA 646 (spindle moulder) - New Zealand;
7665 - ME 513 (mortiser) - Australia;
7671 - RS 115 – UK;
7784 - SOA 350 - UK.

1937
8446 - MJ 413 – UK;
9067 - PKA 390 – Australia;
9335 - RBA 183 (buzzer) – UK;

1938
9510 - MA 137 (morticer) - UK;
9650 - PKA 405 – Australia;
9783 - PKA 412 - UK.

1939
11454 - RU 161 (lathe) - UK;
11455 - CC 1059 - New Zealand;
11704 - LSA 592 (Router) - UK;

1940
14594 - PKA 554 - Ireland;
14979 - EUV 164 - UK;
15111 - RDA 441 (buzzer) – Australia;

1941
17093 - PKA 607 - UK;
17392 - PKA 613 - UK;

1942
18695 - PKA 643 - New Zealand;
18929 - MA 482 - UK;

1944
22583 - PKA 725 - Scotland > Canada;
22749 - RS 712 (lathe) - South Africa;

1945
24671 - PKA 785 - Australia;
24965 - MA 490 (mortiser) - UK;
25031 - PKA 800 - New Zealand;
27390 - MA 563 – UK;

1946
26657 - LQA 415 - USA;
26763 - MG 699 - New Zealand;

1947
27918 - MA 580 (mortiser) - UK;
29157 - PKA 969 - UK;

1948
30171 - LS 1925 (router) - UK;
30253 - PKA 994 - UK;
31145 - RD 694 - New Zealand;

1949
34218 - MA 853 (mortiser) - UK;
34664 - RS 1047 (lathe) - UK;
35284 - RE 668 (thicknesser) - Canada;

1950
35723 - PK 1202 - UK;
35836 - WS240 (pattern mill) - Australia;
35844 - RD 855 (buzzer) - UK;
35898 - RR 142 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
36021 - RTA 339 - New Zealand;
36376 - RT 357 - New Zealand;
36408 - RE 705 (thicknesser) - New Zealand;
36554 - PK 1231 - UK;
36572 - PKF 108 - Canada;
37023 - PK 1271 - USA;
37264 - PK 1277 - Australia;
37564 - RS 1126 (lathe) - UK;
37727 - CQ 237 - Australia;
38139 - MG 987 - New Zealand;
38305 - SQ 319 - New Zealand;
38458 - FD 799 (five head moulder) – New Zealand;

1951
38946 - CC 2388 - New Zealand;
38990 - RT 361 (lathe) - UK;
39677 - SQ 350 - New Zealand;
39926 - MF 939 - New Zealand;
39932 - MA 1119 - UK;
40404 - RTA 405 (lathe) - UK;
41072 - RS 1233 (RS 10 lathe) - Canada;
41075 - RS 1236 (RS 6 lathe) - Canada;
41145 - RTA 380 - New Zealand;
41376 - RM 2039 - Canada;

1952
41542 - WS267 (pattern mill) - first machine test no. for 1952
41563 - MA 1195 (morticer) - UK;
41587 - SP 610 - Australia;
41689 - PK 1437 - Canada;
420256 - PK 1445 - Canada;
42461 - PK 1451 - Canada;
42578 - RS 1291 (wood lathe) - Canada;
42636 - RB 886 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
42687 - CK 1646 - New Zealand;
42825 - RR 299 (buzzer) - New Zealand;

1953
45347 - LQ 674 - New Zealand;
45658 - SR 1578 - UK;
45723 - RS 1404 (lathe) - UK;
45839 - RS 1409 (lathe) - Australia;
46020 - RS 1415 (wood lathe) - Canada;
46212 - JY 498 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
46284 - NQ 312-S - Canada?;

1954
48966 - LM 1266 - UK;
49379 - PK 1702 - Canada;
49784 - PK 1718 - Canada;
50585 - FD 1125 - Canada?

1955
50716 - PK 1754 - New Zealand;
51434 - PK 1778 - Canada > USA;
51952 - RTA 440 (lathe) - UK;
52626 - WX 250 - Australia;
52712 - EQ 736 - New Zealand;

1956
53723 - PK 1863 - Canada;
53792 - RK 282 (thicknesser) – USA;
54000 - MA 1503 - Australia;
54256 - PK 1882 - USA;
54421 - PK 1887 - UK;
54425 - PK 1892 - Australia;
54477 - PK 1899 - Canada > USA;
54478 - PK 1900 - UK;
54521 - RM 2817 - New Zealand;
54580 - JY 569 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
54581 - CC 3253 (RAS) - Canada;
55049 - PK 1947 - Australia;
55228 - LQ 865 - Canada;
55670 - PK 1975 - Canada;
55676 - PK 1982 - UK;

1957
56040 - RS 3777 (RS8 lathe) - Canada;
56424 - EQ 1024 (spindle moulder) - UK;
56545- EQ 1016 - Denmark;
57045 - EQ 1061 (spindle moulder) - Denmark.

1958
59000 - FM 130 (buzzer/thicknesser) - UK;

1959
61036 - RZ 352 - Canada.

1960
63527 - JV 594 - USA;
62563 - EKA 1339 (5-head tenoner) - UK;
63449 - EQ 1747 - Australia.

Cheers, Vann.
(I thought I'd better post these, before I misplace my list - again :doh:)

[Vann]

I've edited and added machines to the previous post about 5 times (added ~20 machines), but edits don't show up as unread (so interested watchers may not realise there are additions). This time I'll make it a new post.

Added machines in bold. Test number, followed by model & serial number, then country of residence...

Pre-1937
594 - MG 141 - UK;
1041 - RB 7231 - UK;
1313 - JY 107 (bobbin sander) – Australia;
1322 - DJ 361 (bandsaw) - United Kingdom;
1359 - MN 20 - United Kingdom;
1450 - DH 122 - UK;
2000 - RC 376 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
2085 - ME 239 – New Zealand;
2315 - NB 216 (knife grinder) - UK;
3197 - RS 133 – New Zealand (RIP);
3719 - MJ 244 (planer/thicknesser) - UK;
4417 - DO 241 - United Kingdom;
4501 - MA 263 - UK;
4616 - PKA 266 – UK;
4653 - EV 793 - UK;
4713 - DH 163 (bandsaw) – New Zealand;
4734 - MD 343 - UK;
4737 - PD 351 - UK;
4782 - EV 815 (spindle moulder) - UK;
4818 - PL 105 (dimension saw) – UK > USA
5029 - RTA 148 – UK;
5391 - MN 133 - Canada;
6281 - JV 139 (bobbin sander) - UK;
6556 - CC 847 (RAS) - UK;
6759 - KH 253 - UK;
6827 - MD 464 - UK;
7336 - EPA 646 (spindle moulder) - New Zealand;
7665 - ME 513 (mortiser) - Australia;
7671 - RS 115 – UK;
7784 - SOA 350 - UK.

1937
8446 - MJ 413 – UK;
9067 - PKA 390 – Australia;
9335 - RBA 183 (buzzer) – UK;

1938
9510 - MA 137 (morticer) - UK;
9650 - PKA 405 – Australia;
9783 - PKA 412 - UK.

1939
11454 - RU 161 (lathe) - UK;
11455 - CC 1059 - New Zealand;
11704 - LSA 592 (Router) - UK;

1940
14371 - MS 212 (saw) - United Kingdom;
14594 - PKA 554 - Ireland;
14979 - EUV 164 - UK;
15111 - RDA 441 (buzzer) – Australia;

1941
17093 - PKA 607 - UK;
17392 - PKA 613 - UK;

1942
18695 - PKA 643 - New Zealand;
18929 - MA 482 - UK;

1944
22583 - PKA 725 - Scotland > Canada;
22749 - RS 712 (lathe) - South Africa;

1945
24538 - REA 315 (24" thicknesser) - UK;
24671 - PKA 785 - Australia;
24965 - MA 490 (mortiser) - UK;
25031 - PKA 800 - New Zealand;
27390 - MA 563 – UK;

1946
26657 - LQA 415 - USA;
26763 - MG 699 - New Zealand;

1947
27918 - MA 580 (mortiser) - UK;
29157 - PKA 969 - UK;

1948
30171 - LS 1925 (router) - UK;
30253 - PKA 994 - UK;
31145 - RD 694 - New Zealand;

1949
34218 - MA 853 (mortiser) - UK;
34664 - RS 1047 (lathe) - UK;
34832 - PK 1154 (saw) - New Zealand;
35284 - RE 668 (thicknesser) - Canada;

1950
35723 - PK 1202 - UK;
35836 - WS 240 (pattern mill) - Australia;
35844 - RD 855 (buzzer) - UK;
35898 - RR 142 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
36021 - RTA 339 - New Zealand;
36376 - RT 357 - New Zealand;
36408 - RE 705 (thicknesser) - New Zealand;
36554 - PK 1231 - UK;
36572 - PKF 108 - Canada;
37023 - PK 1271 - USA;
37264 - PK 1277 - Australia;
37564 - RS 1126 (lathe) - UK;
37727 - CQ 237 - Australia;
38139 - MG 987 - New Zealand;
38305 - SQ 319 - New Zealand;
38458 - FD 799 (five head moulder) – New Zealand;

1951
38946 - CC 2388 - New Zealand;
38990 - RT 361 (lathe) - UK;
39677 - SQ 350 - New Zealand;
39926 - MF 939 - New Zealand;
39932 - MA 1119 - UK;
40404 - RTA 405 (lathe) - UK;
41072 - RS 1233 (RS 10 lathe) - Canada;
41075 - RS 1236 (RS 6 lathe) - Canada;
41145 - RTA 380 - New Zealand;
41376 - RM 2039 - Canada;

1952
41542 - WS 267 (pattern mill) - first machine test no. for 1952
41563 - MA 1195 (morticer) - UK;
41587 - SP 610 - Australia;
41689 - PK 1437 - Canada;
420256 - PK 1445 - Canada;
42461 - PK 1451 - Canada;
42578 - RS 1291 (wood lathe) - Canada;
42636 - RB 886 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
42687 - CK 1646 - New Zealand;
42825 - RR 299 (buzzer) - New Zealand;

1953
45347 - LQ 674 - New Zealand;
45658 - SR 1578 - UK;
45723 - RS 1404 (lathe) - UK;
45839 - RS 1409 (lathe) - Australia;
46020 - RS 1415 (wood lathe) - Canada;
46212 - JY 498 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
46284 - NQ 312-S - Canada?;

1954
48966 - LM 1266 - UK;
49379 - PK 1702 - Canada;
49784 - PK 1718 - Canada;
50149 - RX 107 (30" thicknesser) - United Kingdom;
50585 - FD 1125 - Canada?

1955
50716 - PK 1754 - New Zealand;
51434 - PK 1778 - Canada > USA;
51952 - RTA 440 (lathe) - UK;
52626 - WX 250 - Australia;
52712 - EQ 736 - New Zealand;

1956
53575 - RZ 213 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
53723 - PK 1863 - Canada;
53792 - RK 282 (thicknesser) – USA;
54000 - MA 1503 - Australia;
54256 - PK 1882 - USA;
54421 - PK 1887 - UK;
54425 - PK 1892 - Australia;
54477 - PK 1899 - Canada > USA;
54478 - PK 1900 - UK;
54521 - RM 2817 - New Zealand;
54580 - JY 569 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
54581 - CC 3253 (RAS) - Canada;
55049 - PK 1947 - Australia;
55228 - LQ 865 - Canada;
55670 - PK 1975 - Canada;
55676 - PK 1982 - UK;

1957
56040 - RS 1777 (RS8 lathe) - Canada;
56424 - EQ 1024 (spindle moulder) - UK;
56545 - EQ 1016 - Denmark;
57045 - EQ 1061 (spindle moulder) - Denmark.

1958
59000 - FM 130 (buzzer/thicknesser) - UK;

1959
61036 - RZ 352 - Canada.

1960
63527 - JV 594 - USA;
62563 - EKA 1339 (5-head tenoner) - UK;
63449 - EQ 1747 - Australia.

Cheers, Vann.

[Allison74]

There was a theory floated by one or two of the more extreme Wadkinites that the model no's on machines weren't actually an accurate record of the numbers made of any model. That for instance my WS mill which is numbered WS 240 was only the really no 140, that for some magical reason the first 100 was a marketing ploy. This was similar to the idea that the test date no's contained the date of manufacture. Obviously that has been exposed a while back.
So there is an old Wadkin planer on UK ebay at the moment that is MN 20, with a test no of 1359.
No hidden marketing ploy of starting at 100 to make your product look more successful.



http://www.woodworkforums.com/images/attach/jpg.gif 0ld MN.jpg (83.6 KB)

[jgforsberg]

I think after they made the most ugliest wadkin ever produced they went to the marketing scheme of 100 God knows they needed it on this one:D . Not sure how much information can be traded off with Wadkin & company tags as we don't know any test number information on them. I've often wondered if only the main model in a family started at 100 and units with long tables ,special order ,custom made were not given single numbers that later were given letters under Wadkin Ltd ? One thing that the 100 number system does do is allow the development of Proto types that don't make it market . It appears that their strategy of development was a constant nit picking of components in the development of models in a range .

[Vann]

Thanks Allison, I've added MN20 to the list (above).
I can't add anything to the discussion regarding pre-100 serial no.s, except to note that there are 17 machines (so far) in the 100-199 number band, and 13 in the 200-299 band - so it does seem a little unusual that (again, so far) there's just one in the 1-99 band.

Cheers, Vann.

[jgforsberg]

DJ 361 test 1322

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll29/oldtool1/Engineering%20Equipment-Wadkin-1916-9911_zpstrmfilku.jpg (http://s284.photobucket.com/user/oldtool1/media/Engineering%20Equipment-Wadkin-1916-9911_zpstrmfilku.jpg.html)

interesting what he says about Wadkin's records. The ad date 1933



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFjhRWHhelY

[Vann]

DJ 361 test 1322Thanks Jack - added to list.


interesting what he says about Wadkin's records.I guess that ties in with Mark's (wallace) dating data - no info before 1937.

Cheers, Vann.

[Allison74]

Nice old bandsaw, very heavily made. It had the same Wadkin bandsaw fence that the DR uses with all the holes in the table, I wonder if he has it, though he uses a nice long fence for ripping.
The interviewer was annoying.

So that MN has a test no of 27 more than that bandsaw so if his guess is right then it's probably pre WWI as well.

I still haven't seen any proof for the idea that the numbers start at 100.
If you are supposedly making all these variations and then starting with your standard model at 100 where is the evidence that this was the case. I think it's just fantasy but maybe someone will come up with something to prove it. If there were new models made after 1937 when the records start then there should be some proof that they started at 100.
There was several years of very serious promotion of the "other" dating system and that proved to be fantasy so I think this will probably be the same.
I remain very sceptical of this idea.

Have fun,
Alli

[Vann]

...I still haven't seen any proof for the idea that the numbers start at 100.
If you are supposedly making all these variations and then starting with your standard model at 100 where is the evidence that this was the case. I think it's just fantasy but maybe someone will come up with something to prove it. If there were new models made after 1937 when the records start then there should be some proof that they started at 100.
There was several years of very serious promotion of the "other" dating system and that proved to be fantasy so I think this will probably be the same.
I remain very sceptical of this idea.

I wondered, if we could find what year a model was launched (as suggested by Alli) and then check what machine numbers are allocated in the first year. Then inter and extrapolation might give us an indication of whether there's anything to this "start at 100" theory - but...

1) I don't think Wadkin were very good at dating their cattledogs/flyers (so we'd never know exactly which year a model was launched); and
2) the serial and test numbers seem a bit random anyway (particularly in the early years).

For example, looking at the MA mortiser.

Pre-1937
4501 - MA 263 - UK;

1938
9510 - MA 137 - UK;

1942
18929 - MA 482 - UK;

1945
24965 - MA 490 - UK;
27390 - MA 563 – UK;

1947
27918 - MA 580 - UK;

1949
34218 - MA 853 - UK;

1951
39932 - MA 1119 - UK;

1952
41563 - MA 1195 - UK;

1956
54000 - MA 1503 - Australia;

Most of the numbers are sequential, but the first two are way out.

Another long running model is the RS lathe.

Pre-1937
3197 - RS 133 – New Zealand (RIP);
7671 - RS 115 – UK;

1944
22749 - RS 712 - South Africa;

1949
34664 - RS 1047 - UK;

1950
37564 - RS 1126 - UK;

1951
41072 - RS 1233 (RS 10) - Canada;
41075 - RS 1236 (RS 6) - Canada;

1952
42578 - RS 1291 - Canada;

1953
45723 - RS 1404 - UK;
45839 - RS 1409 - Australia;
46020 - RS 1415 - Canada;

1957
56040 - RS 3777 (RS8) - Canada.

Again most are sequential, but the first two make no sense.

That last lathe - RS 3777 - has got to be a typo on my part. There's no way 2352 of the previous 10,020 machines were all RS lathes :B (surely?)

Cheers, Vann.

[L.S.Barker1970]

Nice old bandsaw, very heavily made. It had the same Wadkin bandsaw fence that the DR uses with all the holes in the table, I wonder if he has it, though he uses a nice long fence for ripping.
The interviewer was annoying.
Alli

I noticed the guards are a little different, missing are the wadkin hubcaps on the doors ?!
The early catalogs show the 24 inch as a DH, 30 inch as DN and 36 inch as DO
I like how he takes the tension of and sets a reminder, I think people who don't are like people who don't drink, and not to be trusted.

Melbourne Matty.

[jgforsberg]

Nice old bandsaw, very heavily made. It had the same Wadkin bandsaw fence that the DR uses with all the holes in the table, I wonder if he has it, though he uses a nice long fence for ripping.
The interviewer was annoying.


Alli

The craftsman is the son of this man (harry Lawton) the interviewer is a guitar maker that works mostly with hand tools so his machine knowledge is limited to consumer grade .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpQed_H5318

[jgforsberg]

I noticed the guards are a little different, missing are the wadkin hubcaps on the doors ?!
The early catalogs show the 24 inch as a DH, 30 inch as DN and 36 inch as DO
I like how he takes the tension of and sets a reminder, I think people who don't are like people who don't drink, and not to be trusted.

Melbourne Matty.

here is another cut of the DJ and after looking again its from 1915. don't see guards Matty less the wood one

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll29/oldtool1/Engineering%20Equipment-Wadkin-1915-9639_zpsikrdli9z.jpg (http://s284.photobucket.com/user/oldtool1/media/Engineering%20Equipment-Wadkin-1915-9639_zpsikrdli9z.jpg.html)

interesting to note that both plain and ball bearings are offered. Both cuts show the plain bearing with oilers

[wallace1973]

I once asked my guy in the know if he could explain the dating/test thing, this is his response.

Yes they did batch production and that could have been on the basis of :-1 Previous year sales figures for any particular model,+ a few more just in case.
2 The landing of a large contract for a number of one machine, on top of the average year figures.
3 Forward orders especially from abroad.


As to the year numbering, that would be O K if they sold all they made in that year, and assuming the batch was done on firm orders anyway. They would not want large quantities of unsold 'stock' especially complete machines.Saying that,because often delivery /production dates could be several months,If you have one or two unsold into the next year and someone wants one pronto, they could deliver it within days and gain a happy bunny customer. !! There is a possibility that machines unsold into the next year may well have been given the new year number but that gets complicated if there is a new model of the same machine introduced in that year as well.
Unsold stock is not good for sales figures either' regardless whether they are numbered or not.Is giving all machines a number straight away good for 'production figures' ?.
In the end the numbering of machines was for internal record only and would indicate a record of all the component parts that make up the machine.
If by some misfortune they were inadvertently left with a quantity of unsold /un-numbered machines I suspect they would shift them out to their agents and so land them with the problem of shifting them fast

[Vann]

...Another long running model is the RS lathe.

Pre-1937
3197 - RS 133 – New Zealand (RIP);
7671 - RS 115 – UK;

1944
22749 - RS 712 - South Africa;

1949
34664 - RS 1047 - UK;

1950
37564 - RS 1126 - UK;

1951
41072 - RS 1233 (RS 10) - Canada;
41075 - RS 1236 (RS 6) - Canada;

1952
42578 - RS 1291 - Canada;

1953
45723 - RS 1404 - UK;
45839 - RS 1409 - Australia;
46020 - RS 1415 - Canada;

1957
56040 - RS 3777 (RS8) - Canada.

Again most are sequential, but the first two make no sense.

That last lathe - RS 3777 - has got to be a typo on my part. There's no way 2352 of the previous 10,020 machines were all RS lathes :B

Venturing into the Bursgreen era we get:

1962
66521 - RS 2108 - UK;
67096 - RS 2118;

1964
71077 - RS 2223.

So going back to Test 56040, the serial number is almost certainly RS 1777. And a closer perusal of the tag suggests it is RS 1777.

389502

Cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

I once asked my guy in the know if he could explain the dating/test thing, this is his response.

Yes they did batch production and that could have been on the basis of :-
1 Previous year sales figures for any particular model,+ a few more just in case.
2 The landing of a large contract for a number of one machine, on top of the average year figures.
3 Forward orders especially from abroad.Interest - thanks for that.



...Unsold stock is not good for sales figures either' regardless whether they are numbered or not.Is giving all machines a number straight away good for 'production figures' ?.
In the end the numbering of machines was for internal record only and would indicate a record of all the component parts that make up the machine...It looks like some of the early RS and MA (and no doubt others) sat in stock for many years in the pre-1937 era.

If Test 1322 (DJ 361) dates to ~1915, and Test No. 8081 dates to 1937, that indicates approximately 6760 machines over 22 years - or an average of 310 machines were tested each year.

That would suggest RS 133 was tested (3197) and shipped to New Zealand about 1922, while earlier numbered RS 115 sat in the store until tested (7671) and sold to an English buyer about 1935 = 13+ years later :o.

Similarly, MA 263 was tested (4501) and sold about 1926, while older sibling MA 137 was tested (9510) and sold in 1938 (both to UK buyers) = 12+ years.

I guess WW2 would have cleared out all machines in stock (my PK was ordered in 1943, but not dispatched until 1945 - suggesting a shortage) and after that they probably had better stock control (although my RTA 380 and Mark's former RTA 405 aren't sequential either - but not by a huge margin, and both were tested in 1951).

Of course, this is all just speculation.

Cheers, Vann.

[jgforsberg]

Vann what your list is actually begin to show are patterns and I believe it's through the speculation that we will derive a most comprehensive understanding. . Even Mr. Roberts AKA Wallace 1973 information received from an ex-Wadkin employ on test numbers is somewhat contrived in the number of years. I don't suspect were ever going to get proof of anything . As to speculation of early sequence numbers my thoughts are related to direct developments of model changes . the numbering start again for instance when the MA or the RS development of motor drives or options ? Obviously this sort of thing caused problems and maybe why it was solved with additional letters in the model in the Inc. years . Additionally the development in the first years is truly boggling with all the special machinery before the classic range and complete shop is offered . Add to this that there were other manufactures involved it's consistency would at best be hard to manage as a newly merged company . As a public company they would have to have their books in order . There's obvious proof that the test department existed prior to a corporation so there must be some sort of correlation . Another problem with model sequence numbers test numbers is we don't know when the machine was given a sequence number . Was the sequence number given at the casting stage and if failed castings Were destroyed then did castings made at a later date receiving unused sequence number? There are clues in the stamping of the test number that they were stamped in the test department as most just are no as even and the others stamped numbers . Does this mean the tags were prepared in the beginning at the casting stage. There is still one last thing in that the same model had some casting differences if it was DC for instance so could be in inventory for many years.

[Vann]

Vann what your list is actually begin to show patterns and I believe it's through the speculation but will derive most comprehensive understanding what your list does is actually begin to show patterns and I believe it's through the speculation but will derive most comprehensive understand .I have to say I enjoy the speculation, and will keep adding to the list as additional numbers come to hand.


...ANother problem with model sequence numbers test numbers is we don't know when the machine was given a sequence number . Was the sequence number given at the casting stage and if failed castings Were destroyed them could did castings made at later date receiving Unused sequence number?Here my thinking is biased by my railway workshops background - each build was allocated a number, and even in the unlikely event that every component was faulty and had to be replaced, the finished wagon/carriage/locomotive would still bear the same number (a bit like grandpa's axe - 2 new heads and 5 new handles, but it's still the same old axe!). But I suppose you're right, we have no way of knowing if there are unused, or re-used, numbers in the sequence.
Looks like I'm speculating again :doh::B:U.

Cheers, Vann.

[jgforsberg]

A little more speculation using logical deduction . In looking at the test numbers it's logical that if every machine got a test number then the test number represents total machines built . So let's look at the example of the DJ. If 361 represents the total DJs made then at that test number sequence DJs represents 25% of the machines built . Although this is not proff that machines started at 100 it's certainly points things in that direction as that is simply not possible for the bandsaws to represent 25% of all machines built As the range was well larger than four machines and I wouldn't say bandsaws was the most popular . The RB must simply have the seven added perhaps it was a scratch Vann

[Allison74]

A little more speculation using logical deduction . In looking at the test numbers it's logical that if every machine got a test number then the test number represents total machines built . So let's look at the example of the DJ. If 361 represents the total DJs made then at that test number sequence DJs represents 25% of the machines built . Although this is not proff that machines started at 100 it's certainly points things in that direction as that is simply not possible for the bandsaws to represent 25% of all machines built As the range was well larger than four machines and I wouldn't say bandsaws was the most popular . The RB must simply have the seven added perhaps it was a scratch Vann


If 361 represents the total DJs made then at that test number sequence DJs represents 25% of the machines built

This is an example of logical deduction and that's valid.

All the rest is purely speculation unless you have some way of knowing what other machines were made and in what proportions you cannot make any logical deductions about the rest of the matters that you raise. Logical deductions require facts to act as the premise to base the conclusions on otherwise the conclusion is not logically valid.

Have fun,
Alli:)

[jgforsberg]

one more Vann and more speculation and facts.

http://i1365.photobucket.com/albums/r754/woodworkforum/wadkinandcoax_zpse78b62fe.jpg (http://s1365.photobucket.com/user/woodworkforum/media/wadkinandcoax_zpse78b62fe.jpg.html)


594 - MG 141 - UK;
1041 - RB 7231 - UK;
1097- AX 282
1313 - JY 107 (bobbin sander) – Australia;
1322 - DJ 361 (bandsaw) - United Kingdom;
1359 - MN 20 - United Kingdom;
1450 - DH 122 - UK;

so far total machines are 1450

141
231
287
107
361
20
122
-----
1,269 87.5 % of total machines at only 7 modles
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1450

not looking good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so no modle

GW
KD
KE
GC
JR
KA
PJ
PD
AC
no millers ad 1916 claim 200

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/LO4AAOSwT6pVzIc6/s-l1600.jpg

not looking good at all:p

[Allison74]

Entertaining but proves nothing.
Fact
There are machines with a number less than 100.
Fact
There are no records at all of when or how Wadkin started their machine numbering or Test numbering.

Conclusion
Your argument is pure speculation and there is no way to prove it especially as the existence of MN 20 is a fact.

Fact
Arthur Fueges owns a Wadkin PL which is the tilt table predecessor to the PK, they overlapped for a while, using your system his would only be the 5th PL manufactured but by that time there was over 166 PKA's made. That doesn't make sense at all.


not looking good at allhttp://d1r5wj36adg1sk.cloudfront.net/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Have fun,
Alli:)

[Vann]

Time for an update:

Added machines in bold. Test number, followed by model & serial number, then country of residence...

Pre-1937
594 - MG 141 - UK;
1041 - RB 7231 - UK;
1313 - JY 107 (bobbin sander) – Australia;
1322 - DJ 361 (bandsaw) - United Kingdom;
1359 - MN 20 - United Kingdom;
1450 - DH 122 - UK;
2000 - RC 376 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
2085 - ME 239 – New Zealand;
2315 - NB 216 (knife grinder) - UK;
2725 - DN 169 - Australia;
3197 - RS 133 – New Zealand (RIP);
3719 - MJ 244 (planer/thicknesser) - UK;
4417 - DO 241 - United Kingdom;
4501 - MA 263 - UK;
4616 - PKA 266 – UK;
4653 - EV 793 - UK;
4713 - DH 163 (bandsaw) – New Zealand;
4734 - MD 343 - UK;
4737 - PD 351 - UK;
4782 - EV 815 (spindle moulder) - UK;
4818 - PL 105 (dimension saw) – UK > USA
5029 - RTA 148 – UK;
5391 - MN 133 - Canada;
6281 - JV 139 (bobbin sander) - UK;
6556 - CC 847 (RAS) - UK;
6759 - KH 253 - UK;
6827 - MD 464 - UK;
7336 - EPA 646 (spindle moulder) - New Zealand;
7665 - ME 513 (mortiser) - Australia;
7671 - RS 115 – UK;
7784 - SOA 350 - UK.

1937
8446 - MJ 413 – UK;
9067 - PKA 390 – Australia;
9335 - RBA 183 (buzzer) – UK;

1938
9510 - MA 137 (morticer) - UK;
9650 - PKA 405 – Australia;
9783 - PKA 412 - UK;
10166 - EKA 386 - Australia.

1939
11454 - RU 161 (lathe) - UK;
11455 - CC 1059 - New Zealand;
11704 - LSA 592 (Router) - UK;

1940
14371 - MS 212 (saw) - United Kingdom;
14594 - PKA 554 - Ireland;
14979 - EUV 164 - UK;
15111 - RDA 441 (buzzer) – Australia;

1941
17093 - PKA 607 - UK;
17392 - PKA 613 - UK;

1942
18695 - PKA 643 - New Zealand;
18929 - MA 482 - UK;

1943
19917 - EPA 1218 (spindle moulder) - United Kingdom;

1944
22583 - PKA 725 - Scotland > Canada;
22749 - RS 712 (lathe) - South Africa;
23242 - RMA 917 (under & over) - New Zealand;

1945
24538 - REA 315 (24" thicknesser) - UK;
24671 - PKA 785 - Australia;
24965 - MA 490 (mortiser) - UK;
25031 - PKA 800 - New Zealand;
27390 - MA 563 – UK;

1946
26657 - LQA 415 - USA;
26763 - MG 699 - New Zealand;
27476 - RD 595 - United Kingdom;

1947
27918 - MA 580 (mortiser) - UK;
29157 - PKA 969 - UK;

1948
30171 - LS 1925 (router) - UK;
30253 - PKA 994 - UK;
31145 - RD 694 - New Zealand;
31435 - RE 485 (buzzer) - New Zealand;

1949
34218 - MA 853 (mortiser) - UK;
34664 - RS 1047 (lathe) - UK;
34832 - PK 1154 (saw) - New Zealand;
35284 - RE 668 (thicknesser) - Canada;
35301 - RB 734 (buzzer) - New Zealand;

1950
35723 - PK 1202 - UK;
35836 - WS 240 (pattern mill) - Australia;
35844 - RD 855 (buzzer) - UK;
35898 - RR 142 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
36021 - RTA 339 - New Zealand;
36376 - RT 357 - New Zealand;
36408 - RE 705 (thicknesser) - New Zealand;
36554 - PK 1231 - UK;
36572 - PKF 108 - Canada;
37023 - PK 1271 - USA;
37264 - PK 1277 - Australia;
37564 - RS 1126 (lathe) - UK;
37727 - CQ 237 - Australia;
38139 - MG 987 - New Zealand;
38305 - SQ 319 - New Zealand;
38458 - FD 799 (five head moulder) – New Zealand;

1951
38946 - CC 2388 - New Zealand;
38990 - RT 361 (lathe) - UK;
39677 - SQ 350 - New Zealand;
39926 - MF 939 - New Zealand;
39932 - MA 1119 - UK;
40404 - RTA 405 (lathe) - UK;
41072 - RS 1233 (RS 10 lathe) - Canada;
41075 - RS 1236 (RS 6 lathe) - Canada;
41145 - RTA 380 - New Zealand;
41376 - RM 2039 - Canada;

1952
41542 - WS 267 (pattern mill) - first machine test no. for 1952
41563 - MA 1195 (morticer) - UK;
41587 - SP 610 - Australia;
41689 - PK 1437 - Canada;
420256 - PK 1445 - Canada;
42324 - LA 372 (drill press) - United Kingdom;
42461 - PK 1451 - Canada;
42578 - RS 1291 (wood lathe) - Canada;
42636 - RB 886 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
42687 - CK 1646 - New Zealand;
42825 - RR 299 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
44455 - RJ 1259 - Australia;

1953
45347 - LQ 674 - New Zealand;
45658 - SR 1578 - UK;
45723 - RS 1404 (lathe) - UK;
45839 - RS 1409 (lathe) - Australia;
46020 - RS 1415 (wood lathe) - Canada;
46212 - JY 498 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
46284 - NQ 312-S - Canada?;

1954
48966 - LM 1266 - UK;
49057 - MA 1381 - Australia;
49379 - PK 1702 - Canada;
49784 - PK 1718 - Canada;
50149 - RX 107 (30" thicknesser) - United Kingdom;
50585 - FD 1125 - Canada?

1955
50716 - PK 1754 - New Zealand;
50923 - EQ 572 - New Zealand;
51434 - PK 1778 - Canada > USA;
51952 - RTA 440 (lathe) - UK;
52626 - WX 250 - Australia;
52712 - EQ 736 - New Zealand;

1956
53575 - RZ 213 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
53723 - PK 1863 - Canada;
53792 - RK 282 (thicknesser) – USA;
54000 - MA 1503 - Australia;
54256 - PK 1882 - USA;
54421 - PK 1887 - UK;
54425 - PK 1892 - Australia;
54477 - PK 1899 - Canada > USA;
54478 - PK 1900 - UK;
54521 - RM 2817 - New Zealand;
54580 - JY 569 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
54581 - CC 3253 (RAS) - Canada;
54621 - EQ 871 - Australia;
55049 - PK 1947 - Australia;
55228 - LQ 865 - Canada;
55576 - CC 3292 (RAS) - New Zealand;
55670 - PK 1975 - Canada;
55676 - PK 1982 - UK;

1957
56040 - RS 1777 (RS8 lathe) - Canada;
56424 - EQ 1024 (spindle moulder) - UK;
56545 - EQ 1016 - Denmark;
56837 - EQ 1050 - United Kingdom;
57045 - EQ 1061 (spindle moulder) - United Kingdom.

1958
59000 - FM 130 (buzzer/thicknesser) - UK;

1959
61036 - RZ 352 - Canada.

1960
62563 - EKA 1339 (5-head tenoner) - UK;
63449 - EQ 1747 - Australia;
63527 - JV 594 - USA.

Cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

14 more Waddies added since 13th August.

Cheers, Vann.

[bueller]

Not sure if you've seen it but there's an EQ 871 on machines4u at the moment.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160904/a060eec54e49a46dfd532d7e65d55b37.jpg

https://www.machines4u.com.au/view/advert/Wadkin-EQ-871-Spindle-Moulder/291904/

[Stewie D]

I just saw these advertised on Gumtree Sydney today. A few Wadkin labels and switches. I'm unsure what they came off.
Vintage Industrial Switches Badges | Other Antiques, Art & Collectables | Gumtree Australia Wollongong Area - Woonona | 1120669511 (http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/woonona/other-antiques-art-collectables/vintage-industrial-switches-badges/1120669511?utm_source=criteo&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=LF-)

Stewie

[DaveTTC]

Some in depth research here. Quite a read. I assume if I happened to have a Wadkin amongst all my cast iron this would be an appropriate place to post a pic.

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art

[Vann]

Dave. Certainly a pic of the tag would be most appreciated. Chuck in a pic of the machine as well if you like.

Bueller and Stewie, thanks for the links. Tag photos, and machine numbers added to post 63.

Cheers, Vann.

[wallace1973]

I like that stop switch on the gumtree add. I don't suppose anyone would be willing to get it for me and post it:wink:

[Amrjon]

Im close by. If you confirm you want them ill contact the seller and see if i can arrange to pick them up.

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[Vann]

Im close by. If you confirm you want them ill contact the seller and see if i can arrange to pick them up.Amrjon. Go ahead and arrange to buy them. I'll guarantee Wallace (and if he backs out I'll take them). I sometimes communicate with wallace offline, and I feel sure he'll want them.

Do you want me to Paypal you $20 in case wallace doesn't see this for a while (it's bed time in the UK)?

Cheers, Vann.

[wallace1973]

Amrjon I want them, thanks very much for the offer.

[Amrjon]

Hi. Ive sent the seller a message. Havnt heard back yet but Ill let you know and we can sort out getting them to you from there.

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[camoz]

Hi. Ive sent the seller a message. Havnt heard back yet but Ill let you know and we can sort out getting them to you from there.

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Amrjon I want them, thanks very much for the offer.

Mark,

I think I have already purchased them, I contacted the guy last night by txt and he is arranging to post them to me (I say think, because it wouldn't be the first time I have been gazumped with a sale on Gumtree, and it nearly happened once with my Barker Bandsaw when I foolishly posted on the forum that I had bought it, before I handed over the cash:~).

I have been looking for an on/off switch for my JY Bobbin sander (has a plastic switch at the moment), and I figured I could make up a nice control panel with that stop switch and reset switch, but let me know if your need is greater, I can keep looking if need be (that of cause is assuming the deal goes through and I don't end up getting guzumped).

Cheers,

Camo

[Amrjon]

Probably explains why I haven't had a a reply. Looks like i won't, or it will be just to tell me its sold, but I was kind of looking forward to having a browse over all his other 'junk' if I dropped in there.

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[L.S.Barker1970]

I'm unsure what they came off.

Stewie

Petty sure before the ad dropped out it said Wadkin EKA which was Wadkin's larger tenoning machine.

Melbourne Matty.

[wallace1973]

Hey Cam no worries:D My plan was to use it somewhere along the bed of my RS when I get to restore it. That wont be for a long time so it was just going to sit on a shelf. I do have a nice old style wadkin on/off if you'd like to trade but if not I'm good.

[Vann]

Petty sure before the ad dropped out it said Wadkin EKA which was Wadkin's larger tenoning machine...EKA 386 (of 1938).

393181

Cheers, Vann.

[clear out]

I'm out of the loop on this add on Gum tree but I did spot a few early MEM switches locally which I can score if anyone needs them.
The pic is not the actual item but they are basically the same.
H.

[bueller]

There's a PK on Grays at the moment, $600 with a dust extractor in Port Melbourne.

Tag photo is horrible but the listing says PK1916. Man I wish Grays would get with the times and allow higher res pics.

http://res2.graysonline.com/handlers/imagehandler.ashx?t=sh&id=13318647&s=n&index=0&ts=636088158824300000

http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0210-3012866/manufacturing/table-saw-dust-extractor-wadkin-ltd-pk-1916?spr=true

[Vann]

I'm out of the loop on this add on Gum tree but I did spot a few early MEM switches locally which I can score if anyone needs them.
The pic is not the actual item but they are basically the same.
H.I'm interested in a couple of MEM switches, especially if they're 3-phase.

Cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

New page, time to update:

Added machines in bold. Test number, followed by model & serial number, then country of residence...

Pre-1937
594 - MG 141 - UK;
1041 - RB 7231 - UK;
1313 - JY 107 (bobbin sander) – Australia;
1322 - DJ 361 (bandsaw) - United Kingdom;
1359 - MN 20 - United Kingdom;
1450 - DH 122 - UK;
2000 - RC 376 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
2085 - ME 239 – New Zealand;
2315 - NB 216 (knife grinder) - UK;
2725 - DN 169 - Australia;
2949 - EV 580 - New Zealand;
3197 - RS 133 – New Zealand (RIP);
3719 - MJ 244 (planer/thicknesser) - UK;
4417 - DO 241 - United Kingdom;
4501 - MA 263 - UK;
4616 - PKA 266 – UK;
4653 - EV 793 - UK;
4713 - DH 163 (bandsaw) – New Zealand;
4734 - MD 343 - UK;
4737 - PD 351 - UK;
4782 - EV 815 (spindle moulder) - UK;
4818 - PL 105 (dimension saw) – UK > USA
5029 - RTA 148 – UK;
5164 - EPA 485 United Kingdom;
5391 - MN 133 - Canada;
6281 - JV 139 (bobbin sander) - UK;
6556 - CC 847 (RAS) - UK;
6759 - KH 253 - UK;
6827 - MD 464 - UK;
7336 - EPA 646 (spindle moulder) - New Zealand;
7503 - JV 131 - United Kingdom;
7665 - ME 513 (mortiser) - Australia;
7671 - RS 115 – UK;
7784 - SOA 350 - UK;
7974 - PD 454 - New Zealand.

1937
8446 - MJ 413 – UK;
9067 - PKA 390 – Australia;
9335 - RBA 183 (buzzer) – UK;

1938
9510 - MA 137 (morticer) - UK;
9650 - PKA 405 – Australia;
9783 - PKA 412 - UK;
10166 - EKA 386 - Australia.

1939
11454 - RU 161 (lathe) - UK;
11455 - CC 1059 - New Zealand;
11704 - LSA 592 (Router) - UK;

1940
13678 - SNR 224 - New Zealand;
14371 - MS 212 (saw) - United Kingdom;
14542 - RDA 237 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
14594 - PKA 554 - Ireland;
14979 - EUV 164 - UK;
15111 - RDA 441 (buzzer) – Australia;
16264 - LSA 1258 - United Kingdom;

1941
17093 - PKA 607 - UK;
17392 - PKA 613 - UK;

1942
18327 - RS 579 - United Kingdom;
18548 - JTA 248 - United Kingdom;
18695 - PKA 643 - New Zealand;
18929 - MA 482 - UK;

1943
19917 - EPA 1218 (spindle moulder) - United Kingdom;

1944
22583 - PKA 725 - Scotland > Canada;
22749 - RS 712 (lathe) - South Africa;
23242 - RMA 917 (under & over) - New Zealand;

1945
24538 - REA 315 (24" thicknesser) - UK;
24671 - PKA 785 - Australia;
24965 - MA 490 (mortiser) - UK;
25031 - PKA 800 - New Zealand;
25539 - RS 815 - New Zealand;

1946
26557 - LQA 413 - USA;
26763 - MG 699 - New Zealand;
27390 - MA 563 - United Kingdom;
27476 - RD 595 - United Kingdom;

1947
27918 - MA 580 (mortiser) - UK;
28379 - REA 403 - New Zealand;
29157 - PKA 969 - UK;

1948
30171 - LS 1925 (router) - UK;
30253 - PKA 994 - UK;
30459 - LQ 482 - United Kingdom;
31145 - RD 694 - New Zealand;
31435 - RE 485 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
31669 - CQ 123 - United Kingdom;

1949
34218 - MA 853 (mortiser) - UK;
34664 - RS 1047 (lathe) - UK;
34832 - PK 1154 (saw) - New Zealand;
35284 - RE 668 (thicknesser) - Canada;
35301 - RB 734 (buzzer) - New Zealand;

1950
35560 - RB 745 (buzzer) - United Kingdom;
35723 - PK 1202 - UK;
35836 - WS 240 (pattern mill) - Australia;
35844 - RD 855 (buzzer) - UK;
35898 - RR 142 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
36021 - RTA 339 - New Zealand;
36376 - RT 357 - New Zealand;
36408 - RE 705 (thicknesser) - New Zealand;
36554 - PK 1231 - UK;
36572 - PKF 108 - Canada;
36796 - PK 1250 - South Africa;
37023 - PK 1271 - USA;
37264 - PK 1277 - Australia;
37564 - RS 1126 (lathe) - UK;
37727 - CQ 237 - Australia;
38139 - MG 987 - New Zealand;
38305 - SQ 319 - New Zealand;
38458 - FD 799 (five head moulder) – New Zealand;

1951
38946 - CC 2388 - New Zealand;
38990 - RT 361 (lathe) - UK;
39677 - SQ 350 - New Zealand;
39926 - MF 939 - New Zealand;
39932 - MA 1119 - UK;
40404 - RTA 405 (lathe) - UK;
40523 - PK 1410 - Canada;
41072 - RS 1233 (RS 10 lathe) - Canada;
41075 - RS 1236 (RS 6 lathe) - Canada;
41145 - RTA 380 - New Zealand;
41376 - RM 2039 - Canada;

1952
41542 - WS 267 (pattern mill) - first machine test no. for 1952
41563 - MA 1195 (morticer) - UK;
41587 - SP 610 - Australia;
41689 - PK 1437 - Canada;
420256 - PK 1445 - Canada;
42082 - RS 1268 (RS 8 lathe) - United Kingdom;
42324 - LA 372 (drill press) - United Kingdom;
42337 - RB 876 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
42461 - PK 1451 - Canada;
42578 - RS 1291 (wood lathe) - Canada;
42636 - RB 886 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
42687 - CK 1646 - New Zealand;
42825 - RR 299 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
43686 - PK 1479 - New Zealand;
44455 - RJ 1259 - Australia;

1953
45347 - LQ 674 - New Zealand;
45658 - SR 1578 - UK;
45723 - RS 1404 (lathe) - UK;
45839 - RS 1409 (lathe) - Australia;
46020 - RS 1415 (wood lathe) - Canada;
46212 - JY 498 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
46284 - NQ 312-S - Canada?;

1954
48966 - LM 1266 - UK;
49057 - MA 1381 - Australia;
49379 - PK 1702 - Canada;
49784 - PK 1718 - Canada;
50149 - RX 107 (30" thicknesser) - United Kingdom;
50585 - FD 1125 - Canada?
50651 - SQ 641 - United Kingdom;

1955
50716 - PK 1754 - New Zealand;
50923 - EQ 572 - New Zealand;
51434 - PK 1778 - Canada > USA;
51843 - PK 1794 - USA > Canada;
51952 - RTA 440 (lathe) - UK;
52626 - WX 250 - Australia;
52712 - EQ 736 - New Zealand;

1956
53575 - RZ 213 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
53723 - PK 1863 - Canada;
53792 - RK 282 (thicknesser) – USA;
54000 - MA 1503 - Australia;
54256 - PK 1882 - USA;
54421 - PK 1887 - UK;
54425 - PK 1892 - Australia;
54477 - PK 1899 - Canada > USA;
54478 - PK 1900 - UK;
54521 - RM 2817 - New Zealand;
54580 - JY 569 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
54581 - CC 3253 (RAS) - Canada;
54621 - EQ 871 - Australia;
PK 1916 - 54688 - Australia;
55049 - PK 1947 - Australia;
55228 - LQ 865 - Canada;
55576 - CC 3292 (RAS) - New Zealand;
55670 - PK 1975 - Canada;
55676 - PK 1982 - UK;

1957
56040 - RS 1777 (RS8 lathe) - Canada;
56424 - EQ 1024 (spindle moulder) - UK;
56545 - EQ 1016 - Denmark;
56761 - EQ 1052 - United Kingdom;
56837 - EQ 1050 - United Kingdom;
57045 - EQ 1061 (spindle moulder) - United Kingdom.

1958
59000 - FM 130 (buzzer/thicknesser) - UK;

1959
61036 - RZ 352 - Canada.

1960
62563 - EKA 1339 (5-head tenoner) - UK;
63449 - EQ 1747 - Australia;
63527 - JV 594 - USA;
63755 - MF 1658 (mortiser) - New Zealand (though with Aus. dealer tag).

Cheers, Vann.

[camoz]

Hey Cam no worries My plan was to use it somewhere along the bed of my RS when I get to restore it. That wont be for a long time so it was just going to sit on a shelf. I do have a nice old style wadkin on/off if you'd like to trade but if not I'm good.

Mark,

Sounds like that could be a plan. I paid for them, and he is shipping them today. I will send you an email when it comes and we can work out if there each suitable for our needs.


I'm out of the loop on this add on Gum tree but I did spot a few early MEM switches locally which I can score if anyone needs them.
The pic is not the actual item but they are basically the same.
H.

hey Henry,

If there is one or two after Vann has had his fill, I will probably be interested in buying them.

cheers,

Cam

[Allison74]

There's a PK on Grays at the moment, $600 with a dust extractor in Port Melbourne.

Tag photo is horrible but the listing says PK1916. Man I wish Grays would get with the times and allow higher res pics.

http://res2.graysonline.com/handlers/imagehandler.ashx?t=sh&id=13318647&s=n&index=0&ts=636088158824300000

http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0210-3012866/manufacturing/table-saw-dust-extractor-wadkin-ltd-pk-1916?spr=true


$2100 plus dealers premium and GST!

Joining the PK club is expensive for someone:oo:
Though it does look to be in reasonable condition.

Have fun,
Alli:)

[Vann]

New page, time to update...21 more machines added since 8th September.

Cheers, Vann.

[L.S.Barker1970]

21 more machines added since 8th September.

Cheers, Vann.

You still don't have any of my wadkins yet Vann, sorry I've been slack !

Melbourne Matty.

[Vann]

You still don't have any of my wadkins yet Vann, sorry I've been slack !

Melbourne Matty.Hi Matty. I expect a full list of all your Wadkins, complete with history and photographs, within the hour :o:D.

But seriously, I would appreciate any numbers and photos you're willing to share, when you find time.

Cheers, Vann.

[Allison74]

Hi Vann,

1 very early machine.397207
1 from the 50's and 2 more late model ones for your collection
397204397205397206

Have fun,
Alli

[clear out]

Hi Vann,
Here's a pic of those switches I liberated from the local Mens shed.
They are 3 phase if you want them.
H.

[Vann]

Hi Vann,
Here's a pic of those switches I liberated from the local Mens shed.
They are 3 phase if you want them.
H.

I'm interested in a couple of MEM switches, especially if they're 3-phase.

Cheers, Vann.


hey Henry,

If there is one or two after Vann has had his fill, I will probably be interested in buying them.Henry, thank-you. One for me and one for Camo?

Cheers, Vann.

[camoz]

Henry, thank-you. One for me and one for Camo?

Cheers, Vann.

Vann,

I was expecting Henry would have a dozen:D (only because he always surprises me with what he can find, I call him the machinery whisperer).

Given there is only 2, you should probably grab both.

Cheers,

Camo

[Vann]

Vann,

I was expecting Henry would have a dozen:D (only because he always surprises me with what he can find, I call him the machinery whisperer).

Given there is only 2, you should probably grab both.Well actually....

397249

...I managed to pick one up over here recently, so I only want one. I'll only take them both if the alternative is it goes in the scrap heap.

Henry, can you read the specs. on the one that's not painted over - or measure the cases? They come in different sizes (and ratings).

Cheers, Vann.

PS. Camo, your PM box is full.

[camoz]

Well actually....



...I managed to pick one up over here recently, so I only want one. I'll only take them both if the alternative is it goes in the scrap heap.

PS. Camo, your PM box is full.

OK, if your sure you only need one. I've just gone in and emptied some of my inbox, so you should be able to PM me if you need to.



Henry,

Can you give me a ring when Vann is all sorted. That way I can send you some money, and if you don't mind, I might get you to hold onto it, and I will pick it up next time I am down your way.

cheers,

Camo

[clear out]

Vann,
The rating is 1.1 amps to 1.5 amps.
Box size approx 145 x 95.
If any use get back to me and I'll chase up a price for postage to NZ.
H.

Cam, I'll hang onto the other for you,I may need you to chase up some stuff up your way so don't worry about $.
Was good to catch up the other day. I expected to come home from the car club meeting all motivated to push on with the Morgan,instead I've been gardening and playing with the tig welder.
H.

[Vann]

New page, time for another update:


1 very early machine.Attachment 397207 (http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=397207)
1 from the 50's and 2 more late model ones for your collection
Attachment 397204 (http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=397204)Attachment 397205 (http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=397205)Attachment 397206 (http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=397206)Hi Alli. Can I assume these are all in Oz?


Added machines in bold. Test number, followed by model & serial number, then country of residence...

Pre-1937
594 - MG 141 - UK;
1041 - RB 7231 - UK;
1313 - JY 107 (bobbin sander) – Australia;
1322 - DJ 361 (bandsaw) - United Kingdom;
1359 - MN 20 - United Kingdom;
1450 - DH 122 - UK;
2000 - RC 376 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
2085 - ME 239 – New Zealand;
2315 - NB 216 (knife grinder) - UK;
2725 - DN 169 - Australia;
2949 - EV 580 - New Zealand;
3197 - RS 133 – New Zealand (RIP);
3719 - MJ 244 (planer/thicknesser) - UK;
4417 - DO 241 - United Kingdom;
4501 - MA 263 - UK;
4616 - PKA 266 – UK;
4653 - EV 793 - UK;
4713 - DH 163 (bandsaw) – New Zealand;
4734 - MD 343 - UK;
4737 - PD 351 - UK;
4782 - EV 815 (spindle moulder) - UK;
4818 - PL 105 (dimension saw) – UK > USA
5029 - RTA 148 – UK;
5164 - EPA 485 United Kingdom;
5391 - MN 133 - Canada;
5812 - DO 253 (bandsaw) - UK;
6281 - JV 139 (bobbin sander) - UK;
6556 - CC 847 (RAS) - UK;
6759 - KH 253 - UK;
6827 - MD 464 - UK;
7336 - EPA 646 (spindle moulder) - New Zealand;
7503 - JV 131 - United Kingdom;
7665 - ME 513 (mortiser) - Australia;
7671 - RS 115 – UK;
7784 - SOA 350 - UK;
7974 - PD 454 - New Zealand.

1937
8446 - MJ 413 – United Kingdom;
8567 - RA 599 - United Kingdom;
9067 - PKA 390 – Australia;
9335 - RBA 183 (buzzer) – UK;

1938
9510 - MA 137 (morticer) - UK;
9650 - PKA 405 – Australia;
9783 - PKA 412 - UK;
10166 - EKA 386 - Australia.

1939
11454 - RU 161 (lathe) - UK;
11455 - CC 1059 - New Zealand;
11704 - LSA 592 (Router) - UK;

1940
13678 - SNR 224 - New Zealand;
14371 - MS 212 (saw) - United Kingdom;
14542 - RDA 237 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
14594 - PKA 554 - Ireland;
14979 - EUV 164 - UK;
15111 - RDA 441 (buzzer) – Australia;
16264 - LSA 1258 - United Kingdom;

1941
17093 - PKA 607 - UK;
17392 - PKA 613 - UK;

1942
18327 - RS 579 - United Kingdom;
18548 - JTA 248 - United Kingdom;
18695 - PKA 643 - New Zealand;
18929 - MA 482 - UK;

1943
19917 - EPA 1218 (spindle moulder) - United Kingdom;

1944
22583 - PKA 725 - Scotland > Canada;
22749 - RS 712 (lathe) - South Africa;
23242 - RMA 917 (under & over) - New Zealand;

1945
24538 - REA 315 (24" thicknesser) - UK;
24671 - PKA 785 - Australia;
24965 - MA 490 (mortiser) - UK;
25031 - PKA 800 - New Zealand;
25215 - JQ 440 - United Kingdom;
25539 - RS 815 - New Zealand;

1946
26557 - LQA 413 - USA;
26763 - MG 699 - New Zealand;
27390 - MA 563 - United Kingdom;
27476 - RD 595 - United Kingdom;

1947
27918 - MA 580 (mortiser) - UK;
28379 - REA 403 - New Zealand;
29157 - PKA 969 - UK;

1948
30171 - LS 1925 (router) - UK;
30253 - PKA 994 - UK;
30459 - LQ 482 - United Kingdom;
31145 - RD 694 - New Zealand;
31435 - RE 485 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
31669 - CQ 123 - United Kingdom;

1949
34218 - MA 853 (mortiser) - UK;
34664 - RS 1047 (lathe) - UK;
34832 - PK 1154 (saw) - New Zealand;
35284 - RE 668 (thicknesser) - Canada;
35301 - RB 734 (buzzer) - New Zealand;

1950
35560 - RB 745 (buzzer) - United Kingdom;
35723 - PK 1202 - UK;
35836 - WS 240 (pattern mill) - Australia;
35844 - RD 855 (buzzer) - UK;
35898 - RR 142 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
36021 - RTA 339 - New Zealand;
36376 - RT 357 - New Zealand;
36408 - RE 705 (thicknesser) - New Zealand;
36554 - PK 1231 - UK;
36572 - PKF 108 - Canada;
36796 - PK 1250 - South Africa;
37023 - PK 1271 - USA;
37264 - PK 1277 - Australia;
37564 - RS 1126 (lathe) - UK;
37727 - CQ 237 - Australia;
38139 - MG 987 - New Zealand;
38305 - SQ 319 - New Zealand;
38458 - FD 799 (five head moulder) – New Zealand;

1951
38946 - CC 2388 - New Zealand;
38990 - RT 361 (lathe) - UK;
39677 - SQ 350 - New Zealand;
39926 - MF 939 - New Zealand;
39932 - MA 1119 - UK;
40404 - RTA 405 (lathe) - UK;
40523 - PK 1410 - Canada;
41072 - RS 1233 (RS 10 lathe) - Canada;
41075 - RS 1236 (RS 6 lathe) - Canada;
41145 - RTA 380 - New Zealand;
41376 - RM 2039 - Canada;

1952
41542 - WS 267 (pattern mill) - first machine test no. for 1952
41563 - MA 1195 (morticer) - UK;
41587 - SP 610 - Australia;
41689 - PK 1437 - Canada;
420256 - PK 1445 - Canada;
42082 - RS 1268 (RS 8 lathe) - United Kingdom;
42324 - LA 372 (drill press) - United Kingdom;
42337 - RB 876 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
42413 - CC 2589 (RAS) - Canada;
42461 - PK 1451 - Canada;
42578 - RS 1291 (wood lathe) - Canada;
42636 - RB 886 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
42687 - CK 1646 - New Zealand;
42825 - RR 299 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
43686 - PK 1479 - New Zealand;
44455 - RJ 1259 - Australia;

1953
45347 - LQ 674 - New Zealand;
45658 - SR 1578 - UK;
45723 - RS 1404 (lathe) - UK;
45839 - RS 1409 (lathe) - Australia;
46020 - RS 1415 (wood lathe) - Canada;
46212 - JY 498 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
46284 - NQ 312-S - Canada?;

1954
48966 - LM 1266 - UK;
49057 - MA 1381 - Australia;
49379 - PK 1702 - Canada;
49642 - MA 1395 - Australia?;
49784 - PK 1718 - Canada;
50149 - RX 107 (30" thicknesser) - United Kingdom;
50585 - FD 1125 - Canada?
50651 - SQ 641 - United Kingdom;

1955
50716 - PK 1754 - New Zealand;
50923 - EQ 572 - New Zealand;
51434 - PK 1778 - Canada > USA;
51843 - PK 1794 - USA > Canada;
51952 - RTA 440 (lathe) - UK;
52626 - WX 250 - Australia;
52712 - EQ 736 - New Zealand;

1956
53575 - RZ 213 (buzzer) - New Zealand;
53723 - PK 1863 - Canada;
53792 - RK 282 (thicknesser) – USA;
54000 - MA 1503 - Australia;
54256 - PK 1882 - USA;
54421 - PK 1887 - UK;
54425 - PK 1892 - Australia;
54477 - PK 1899 - Canada > USA;
54478 - PK 1900 - UK;
54521 - RM 2817 - New Zealand;
54580 - JY 569 (bobbin sander) - Canada;
54581 - CC 3253 (RAS) - Canada;
54621 - EQ 871 - Australia;
54688 - PK 1916 - Australia;
55049 - PK 1947 - Australia;
55228 - LQ 865 - Canada;
55576 - CC 3292 (RAS) - New Zealand;
55642 - JY 587 - United Kingdom;
55670 - PK 1975 - Canada;
55676 - PK 1982 - UK;

1957
56040 - RS 1777 (RS8 lathe) - Canada;
56424 - EQ 1024 (spindle moulder) - UK;
56545 - EQ 1016 - Denmark;
56761 - EQ 1052 - United Kingdom;
56837 - EQ 1050 - United Kingdom;
57045 - EQ 1061 (spindle moulder) - United Kingdom.

1958
57992 - BCK 57315 (RAS) - New Zealand (RIP);
59000 - FM 130 (buzzer/thicknesser) - UK;
59352 - JV 562 - United Kingdom;
59402 - MF 1521 - United Kingdom.

1959
60589 - DR 1624 (bandsaw) - USA;
61036 - RZ 352 - Canada.

1960
62439 - JTA 888 - Canada;
62563 - EKA 1339 (5-head tenoner) - UK;
62596 - EQ 1632 - United Kingdom;
63449 - EQ 1747 - Australia;
63527 - JV 594 - USA;
63537 - RX 109 - Australia?;
63755 - MF 1658 (mortiser) - New Zealand (though with Aus. dealer tag).

Cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

Anybody like to have a go at deciphering this tag?

398353

It looks like MA 743, test 2688 to me.

But with MA 263 being test 4501, and MA 137 being test 9510, MA 743 is far too high to be correct. MA 143 is more likely. What do you guys think?

edit: And this one.

398355

FD 1150, test 55064?

Cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

More machines added to the list (2 posts up) taking the count to 193 machines listed.

And another I can't decipher

399627

RA 598 or 599?
Test 8561 - maybe?

Anyone?

Cheers, Vann.

[Lappa]

I get RA 599
Test 3567

Photoshop elements converted to B@W and sharpened

399654

[hiroller]

Pretty sure it says Test 8567 as the font Wadkin use has a three with z like top section.

Like this:
399669

[Lappa]

Fair enough:) didn't know about the font.