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jgforsberg
5th May 2016, 12:28 PM
the skill the and attention of the shingle weaver will get you on your toes.:cool:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3HBfj423cc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahZz1E1GFsk

Vann
5th May 2016, 01:39 PM
I'm at work at present, and the boss has kindly blocked Youtube http://d1r5wj36adg1sk.cloudfront.net/images/smilies/anoyd.gif, so I can't check out the videos until I get home. But I'm intrigued by the thread title "Single Weaver" - single, as in un-married or working by him/herself.

But when I read the text I find this has a medical theme - I understand shingles is a painful ailment - I hope the videos aren't too graphic http://d1r5wj36adg1sk.cloudfront.net/images/smilies/standard/biggrin.gif.

Cheers, Vann.

hiroller
6th May 2016, 12:16 AM
Wow. That's a big blade and most of the time he is not even looking!

jgforsberg
6th May 2016, 07:27 AM
Thought for for sure someone would comment on that tapering Resaw?Deepwood operations all lot of the times that tapering is just done free on the band saw no tables just rollers

orraloon
6th May 2016, 03:04 PM
The big circular saw gave me the shivers just looking. Most first world countries would not allow that much risk in a work place. I worked in a sawmill in Scotland almost 50 years ago and even back then I never saw anything like that. True most of the sawyers were shy a finger or two but most of then would never have stepped up for that. I wonder how long one of those guys lasts at that game.
Regards
John

Uncle Al
7th May 2016, 09:28 AM
Pretty scary work site. The local safety equipment supplier wold do well selling hearing protection gear to the surviving workers.

Alan...

L.S.Barker1970
8th May 2016, 11:46 AM
Thanks for showing that Jack.
This video just adds weight to the theory that if a safe process is followed on a machine and a operator is vigilant in maintaining this safe process then nothing should go wrong.
The accidents I have seen are when folk change what they are doing and take a risk, cross arming, machine small pieces, reaching over, the list goes on.
When you operate a machine, and as cliché as it sounds, you have to be machine like your self in your movements, repetition of a safe process will save you from injury.
I like videos like this because it shows what can be done safely, one with the machine so to speak...

Melbourne Matty.

orraloon
8th May 2016, 01:22 PM
[QUOTE=L.S.Barker1970;1950655]Thanks for showing that Jack.
This video just adds weight to the theory that if a safe process is followed on a machine and a operator is vigilant in maintaining this safe process then nothing should go wrong.
The accidents I have seen are when folk change what they are doing and take a risk, cross arming, machine small pieces, reaching over, the list goes on.
When you operate a machine, and as cliché as it sounds, you have to be machine like your self in your movements, repetition of a safe process will save you from injury.
I like videos like this because it shows what can be done safely, one with the machine so to speak...

Melbourne Matty.[/QUOT

That can work for a while but come the day he is not so on the ball then he wont be one with the machine but 2 chunks of meat in front of it.
It is criminal to make someone take that sort of risk just to make a living.
Regards
John

L.S.Barker1970
8th May 2016, 05:08 PM
That can work for a while but come the day he is not so on the ball then he wont be one with the machine but 2 chunks of meat in front of it.
It is criminal to make someone take that sort of risk just to make a living.
Regards
John

I don't think any one is making him do anything, everyone takes risks every day, you take a risk when you drive a car, or play contact sport.
I'm in admiration of the operators skill, and I know operators who have run such equipment for 30 years accident free and made a good living !
Sorry, I don't want to say any more, I just get upset at the loss of industry and real skills this country has under gone all in the name of safety.

All the best John.

Melbourne Matty.

jgforsberg
8th May 2016, 11:25 PM
the "Canadian" upright shingle Machines developed in the first 20 years of the 1900s took the shingle market of the world. Its one of a real Canadian idea and one that was made in the heart of big cedar country. the industry is still dominated by this Canadian machine and still hold the market today. It is not uncommon to see 6 of these machine in a row feed blocks and packers.

1906 ad note that there are no blades on the flanges.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll29/oldtool1/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz_zpskpn7mimf.jpg (http://s284.photobucket.com/user/oldtool1/media/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz_zpskpn7mimf.jpg.html)


there is a great article here on the how the machines came to be.

https://journals.lib.unb.ca/index.php/MCR/article/view/17070/22909

Vann
9th May 2016, 01:03 AM
This video just adds weight to the theory that if a safe process is followed on a machine and a operator is vigilant in maintaining this safe process then nothing should go wrong.
The accidents I have seen are when folk change what they are doing and take a risk, cross arming, machine small pieces, reaching over, the list goes on.
When you operate a machine, and as cliché as it sounds, you have to be machine like your self in your movements, repetition of a safe process will save you from injury.
I like videos like this because it shows what can be done safely, one with the machine so to speak...
That was my thoughts when I saw the video - safety relied 100% on the skill of the operator.
Personally, I wouldn't like to work with so little protection. On the other hand I've seen safety guards and safety requirements, so OTT that the machine was almost useless. I'd prefer something in between.

Cheers, Vann (who still has all his fingers)

Stewie D
9th May 2016, 06:53 PM
Yep, I have to agree with Orraloon here. That machine is just a shocking injury waiting to happen. Not if but when.

Stewie

Bohdan
9th May 2016, 07:12 PM
Years ago I used to show apprentices safety films at a TAFE college. One of the films that affected them the most was an early version of shingle production. The part that had the most effect was not the operator on the big saw but the worker packing the shingles. The narration explained that the packers were all ex saw men who progressed to packing when they didn't have enough fingers left to grab the shingle quickly. Some of the packers were very adept at using their elbows or stumps to hold the shingles and packing straps. We had to stop showing the film directly after lunch to save on the cleaning bill in the auditorium.

jgforsberg
9th May 2016, 09:41 PM
Not sure what the regs are in the US where the first video is from but in BC Canada the guarding is clear.

head saw
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll29/oldtool1/zzzz2_zpsub9gfadp.jpg (http://s284.photobucket.com/user/oldtool1/media/zzzz2_zpsub9gfadp.jpg.html)

trimmer saw

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll29/oldtool1/zzzzz_zpsugaifuli.jpg (http://s284.photobucket.com/user/oldtool1/media/zzzzz_zpsugaifuli.jpg.html)

In operation


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khmIfQlyhp0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ94mihIZA8

orraloon
10th May 2016, 11:10 AM
Now that looks a whole lot better. The guards would not cost the company a whole lot so why expose the hired help to unguarded blades.
I hate workplace exploitation.
Regards
John

clear out
10th May 2016, 06:53 PM
In the pattern store the storeman was an ex Moulder with silicosis.
It will never change, any thing for a buck.
If the locals don't like we'll take it offshore or bring in foreign workers to exploit.
Whether it's Donald or Malcolm it's all about $$$$$$.
H.

L.S.Barker1970
10th May 2016, 09:10 PM
http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae301/matty355/matty355002/sc00002c82_zpsuw8sadpp.jpg

Melbourne Matty.

jgforsberg
10th May 2016, 10:48 PM
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