Wadkin CQ restoration

[wallace1973]

Here we go again :D This one has been outside for a couple of years and is pretty rough. The strange thing about this one is that the whole thing is aluminium. It dates from 1948 so maybe made from old spitfires


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0475%20-%20Copy_zpspt1rlygl.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0475%20-%20Copy_zpspt1rlygl.jpg.html)


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0476_zpskbjvbasm.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0476_zpskbjvbasm.jpg.html)


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0477_zps3mm87hqb.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0477_zps3mm87hqb.jpg.html)


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0479_zpswetrsv6f.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0479_zpswetrsv6f.jpg.html)

[Vann]

Hi Wallace. That's an interesting variation on Wadkin's "C" line of saws.

It's a good thing there's a bit of water between you and Forsberg, or he'd be stealing that motor cover... :;.

I hope you won't mind me half-inching your tag photo for the Extreme Wadkinitus thread? But before I do, can you confirm that's a "CO" not a "CQ"? There's a squiggle towards the bottom of the "O" that makes it look like a "Q" to me (and I'm showing my ignorance of obscure Wadkins here :B).

Cheers, Vann.

[camoz]

Mark,

I am looking forward to seeing this one come to life. You really are doing a great job on these projects!!


can you confirm that's a "CO" not a "CQ"? There's a squiggle towards the bottom of the "O" that makes it look like a "Q" to me

Vann,

It is a Q, it was called the "Electric Snipper Cross Cut Saw C.Q."

Cheers,

Camo

[wallace1973]

I had to check that it was CQ, which it is as Cam said. I have a catalogue which has it listed as a CL.
I find the taking to bits really fun for some reason. I used to always get wrong for taking my toys to bits as a kid :D


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0481_zpspyp3g9ur.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0481_zpspyp3g9ur.jpg.html)


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0482_zpscfdd0nld.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0482_zpscfdd0nld.jpg.html)


On trying to take the spindle to bits I had some problems getting the blade clamp off. It would normally just come off with a puller, but it was having none of it. And then I bent the disc. You normally get a feel for how much pressure to put on something and I didn't think I'd gone too heavy handed.
I took the spindle out and it became clear why I bent it. It had been repaired by brazing. To get the spindle out I put the nut back on to protect the threads, cover with wood and hit with a big boy hammer oh and heat it up.


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0486_zpsilbbxgzq.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0486_zpsilbbxgzq.jpg.html)


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0483_zpsu92vnx9t.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0483_zpsu92vnx9t.jpg.html)


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0484_zpsqfw6tcnq.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0484_zpsqfw6tcnq.jpg.html)

[wallace1973]

Heres a close relative of the saw I'm doing a CL


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0513_zpsshd3vzuh.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0513_zpsshd3vzuh.jpg.html)


For the Australian contingent, this was stuck into the same catalogue


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0514_zpswrxpp0tc.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0514_zpswrxpp0tc.jpg.html)


Because this is cast aluminium I'm taking extra precautions when dismantling. Things are getting a good soak in plus gas and like this bit a little heat.


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0508_zps9md1zymb.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0508_zps9md1zymb.jpg.html)


I thought the bearings in the pivot a little overkill. The pivot on the mitre saw I did was just a bushing.


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0507_zpsxpiiwoqa.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0507_zpsxpiiwoqa.jpg.html)


I was taking a pic of a box of parts and noticed the end cap for the pivot broken.


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0509_zpsltisy6ir.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0509_zpsltisy6ir.jpg.html)


Looks like its been cracked for a while.


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0510_zps5keq6atf.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0510_zps5keq6atf.jpg.html)


Everything is stripped ready to de gunge


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0511_zpsytm1d5mw.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0511_zpsytm1d5mw.jpg.html)

[Sawdust Maker]

another refurb by the master
watching with interest

[wallace1973]

A tad more progress. On checking the parts out I noticed there is a base coat of green paint. I wonder if its war paint or some kind of etch primer.


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0515_zps935au050.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0515_zps935au050.jpg.html)


I have been debating how to do the blade door. Do I do the wadkin in red like normal or leave it aluminium.


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0517_zpshczn7h26.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0517_zpshczn7h26.jpg.html)


In the end I went all Boyd Coddington :D


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0519_zps7c3vfcsp.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0519_zps7c3vfcsp.jpg.html)

[QC Inspector]

Looking forward to swing how this turns out.
The standard primer for Aluminium was Zinc Chromate and it is usually a light green but not always. The Zinc is between the Aluminium and Iron alloys in the galvanic table and helps to reduce corrosion of the Aluminium. Using standard Iron Oxide automotive primers actually makes Aluminium corrode faster.

Pete, who didn't sleep through his aircraft mechanic training. ;)

[wallace1973]

Thanks Pete, I normally use a zinc primer for my cast iron stuff but it just scratches off ali really easy. I went to get some more top coat paint recently and asked about etch primers. It normally costs £35 ltr but since I only need a small amount he found a rattle can of the stuff which was dented and gave it for free. I wonder if I should use my zinc primer after the etch or just go straight to enamel top coat.

[wallace1973]

Todays efforts.


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0520_zpsabxoqnmv.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0520_zpsabxoqnmv.jpg.html)


This piece is getting sprayed so I just cleaned up the casting with a flapper disc.


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0521_zpspsopzala.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0521_zpspsopzala.jpg.html)


I just wire wheeled the foot pedal


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0522_zps7rnk3hiv.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0522_zps7rnk3hiv.jpg.html)


The motor is pretty rough


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0524_zpsrcbk2j6m.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0524_zpsrcbk2j6m.jpg.html)


One end bell is cast iron and the other ali


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0526_zpscgq7hyhw.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0526_zpscgq7hyhw.jpg.html)


The fan is made from aluminium and is in bad way, I wonder if it will weld


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0525_zpschkpdk84.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0525_zpschkpdk84.jpg.html)


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0527_zpsbv754bp3.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0527_zpsbv754bp3.jpg.html)

[Vann]

...Vann,

It is a Q, it was called the "Electric Snipper Cross Cut Saw C.Q."Mark, I'm sure if you PM a moderator, they'll change the thread title to "Wadkin CQ Restoration" - just to help out future searches.

Cheers, Vann.

[wallace1973]

A few bits made pretty,


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0528_zpsxitb8f0z.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0528_zpsxitb8f0z.jpg.html)


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0529_zpsmffx0bxx.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0529_zpsmffx0bxx.jpg.html)


A wonder why the colour difference, maybe someone got the recipe wrong whilst casting


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0530_zpsjbwvlimt.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0530_zpsjbwvlimt.jpg.html)


I quite the black look on some stuff, plus it helps stop the rust monster


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0538_zpsmslfjfrh.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0538_zpsmslfjfrh.jpg.html)


The bearings for the saw spindle look in decent condition


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0539_zpsrxlpzyyz.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0539_zpsrxlpzyyz.jpg.html)


I love doing these handles, I find it quite therapeutic


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0541_zpsjlohqzp9.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0541_zpsjlohqzp9.jpg.html)


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0542_zpsszc9hkkc.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0542_zpsszc9hkkc.jpg.html)


It has a nice little damper


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0543_zpsayp6sdap.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0543_zpsayp6sdap.jpg.html)


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0544_zpss0yvvp9r.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0544_zpss0yvvp9r.jpg.html)


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0545_zpsbly2czjl.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0545_zpsbly2czjl.jpg.html)


http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0546_zpsfrs467h2.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0546_zpsfrs467h2.jpg.html)

[tony_A]

Your project looks to be coming along nicely. enjoying the photo's
Would you mind describing how you cleaned and polished the spring in the photo above please.
Tony

[wallace1973]

Thanks Tony, pretty simple just used a wire wheel and then buffed with a mop and polishing compound.

[jmk89]

Mark, I'm sure if you PM a moderator, they'll change the thread title to "Wadkin CQ Restoration" - just to help out future searches.

Cheers, Vann.
No need for a PM - this moderator just made the change :U

[wallace1973]

This is the blade flange that I bent a bit whilst trying to remove it. I was going to remove the brazing and try and weld it straight but since my welding is pants and the braze was still sound I skimmed it on the lathe. When its installed I will finish it off in place.
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0552_zpsox1md2du.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0552_zpsox1md2du.jpg.html)
The reason it was so difficult in removing was because its really snug. I measured the difference in the hole to the spindle and it was 0.3mm. To get it back on it needed some heat and a decent wack with a big hammer.
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0553_zpstdh4laze.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0553_zpstdh4laze.jpg.html)
I have started putting it back together.
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0554_zpsyxusjdwv.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0554_zpsyxusjdwv.jpg.html)
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0555_zpslcsu1mg7.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0555_zpslcsu1mg7.jpg.html)
For the blade guard I was wanting to do something different, shiny with the wadkin in red. I spent ages with the dremmel cleaning up inside the lettering but it looks naff compared to the rest of it. Its really hard to get a good finish in between the letters. If any one has a idea?
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0556_zpsva8kpdym.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0556_zpsva8kpdym.jpg.html)

[Vann]

This is the blade flange that I bent a bit whilst trying to remove it. I was going to remove the brazing and try and weld it straight but since my welding is pants and the braze was still sound I skimmed it on the lathe...

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0552_zpsox1md2du.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0552_zpsox1md2du.jpg.html)

What's the ID and OD of the flange Mark?

Cheers, Vann.

[wallace1973]

Not much to report apart from I got the starter cleaned up abit. This is new old stock from a hoard I acquired a while back. It had been on a shelf at a motor repair shop in Scotland for donkeys years until the old guy passed away then the daughter was going to scrap everything.
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0604_zpsycuabjqt.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0604_zpsycuabjqt.jpg.html)
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0606_zpspgdqwwpe.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0606_zpspgdqwwpe.jpg.html)

[wallace1973]

Finished'ish I still need to get some rubberised 4core wire and plum the motor in.
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0607_zpstqysg9t1.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0607_zpstqysg9t1.jpg.html)
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0608_zpsdsyc0sgj.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0608_zpsdsyc0sgj.jpg.html)
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0613_zpskikdr7xl.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0613_zpskikdr7xl.jpg.html)
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0611_zpsuwrao8rm.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0611_zpsuwrao8rm.jpg.html)
I still need to check and maybe grind the flange on the spindle
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0614_zpsi53b7sl6.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0614_zpsi53b7sl6.jpg.html)
This is how it sits in the line up
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0615_zpsx7zediur.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20SO/IMG_0615_zpsx7zediur.jpg.html)

[tony_A]

The old saw looks fantastic. Like seeing how you dealt with some of the problems you encountered during the restoration. Your journey is a good read, thanks for posting.
Tony

[Vann]

<br>I'm not getting the pictures. Even the pictures in previous posts have gone - the last picture showing is the first photo of your post on 5th October. And it's the same on the Canadian &amp; UK forums.<br><br>Is it just this work computer, or are others having the same difficulty?<br><br>Cheers, Vann.<br type="_moz">


Edit: Yup, looks like it might be this computer.

Edit (from another computer): Yes it was definitely a problem with that computer. Strange how it blanked out the same photos on three different woodworking sites http://d1r5wj36adg1sk.cloudfront.net/images/smilies/anoyd.gif

[hiroller]

Vann, it's time to clear the browser cache.

[Vann]

Vann, it's time to clear the browser cache.Hmm... maybe I need IT assistance (or just not use that computer) :B.

Cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

I thought I'd take the liberty of linking to Raymond's thread on his CQ saw...

398303 398299 398300

398301 398302

http://www.woodworkforums.com/f299/wadkin-cq-drop-199892

Cheers, Vann.

[wallace1973]

Raymond what is the hp of your motor. There was no spec plate on mine.
I think this is going to be my next victim

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/Wadkin%20LQ/IMG_0621_zpsypfh5ymh.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/Wadkin%20LQ/IMG_0621_zpsypfh5ymh.jpg.html)

[auscab]

Oh Nice . I luv me LQ . Do you have all the parts Mark ?

[wallace1973]

Unfortunately not, just the chuck that's in it and I've got a couple of the hold downs which are pretty cool. They normally have a 2hp motor but you could ask for 3 or 4 this one has the 4hp. I might have a source for some tooling

[wallace1973]

Heres a clip of the nipper in action https://youtu.be/VOkkOswZHeY