wadkin JQ restoration

[wallace1973]

I've had a change of mind and decided to do this little sander instead of the LQ. I'm going to leave the LQ smeared in plus gas for a while. I got this from a foundry pattern shop in Bolton that was closing. I've had it a couple of years and its a lovely thing.
When I started stripping it I noticed it still has a lot of original wiring which is well past its best, the cloth was starting to drop to bits so its probably a good thing I chose this one.
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/261020133666_zps876b38fe.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/261020133666_zps876b38fe.jpg.html)
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/261020133667_zps70d4fb92.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/261020133667_zps70d4fb92.jpg.html)
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/261020133669_zps914869c8.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/261020133669_zps914869c8.jpg.html)
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/261020133670_zps3f7ef471.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/261020133670_zps3f7ef471.jpg.html)

[Vann]

CQ, LQ, JQ... they're all in the queue ("Q") :q.

I enjoy watching your rebuilds. I'm pulling up a chair (I'm also stealing the tag photo for the "extreme wadkinitus" thread :;).

Cheers, Vann.

[tony_A]

Better make that a pew rather than a chair Vann, there'll be a few of us watching.

[bueller]

Subbed and along for the ride!

[old1955]

Me too.

Ross

[auscab]

Nice machine . I've never noticed one before . Looks like it would be a handy size compared to the space taking giant sanders .

[wallace1973]

Heres the cover for the trip box, I like to use paint stripper on something like this to protect any detail.
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0627_zpsdjv3xlyx.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0627_zpsdjv3xlyx.jpg.html)
I think this paint job must have been in the late 70's early 80's. Wadkin brought out a 'supersaw' with literature of this colour.
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0655_zpstxvjbcjm.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0655_zpstxvjbcjm.jpg.html)
What is a single phase preventor?
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0657_zpsdsoitlhk.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0657_zpsdsoitlhk.jpg.html)
Its lost a couple of its corners, any ideas on how to fix. Maybe build up with braze and file?
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0658_zpswibatw9r.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0658_zpswibatw9r.jpg.html)
I started remove the 8 layers of paint and it has done a great job of protecting the metal, no rust. I think the people casting at wadkin must of had a really good day because these casting are really nice with very little evidence of fettling. The surface is perfect for a paint finish.
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0656_zpsaqm24riw.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0656_zpsaqm24riw.jpg.html)

[wallace1973]

I got the sanding disc separated from the motor.
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0659_zps4xs4se9w.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0659_zps4xs4se9w.jpg.html)
A little heat before tapping the pins out
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0661_zpswucqmm12.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0661_zpswucqmm12.jpg.html)
The motor is 1.5hp
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0662_zpsh6ge5pks.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0662_zpsh6ge5pks.jpg.html)
This machine dates from 1945
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0663_zpsvujqikhb.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0663_zpsvujqikhb.jpg.html)
I love coming across old asset labels and writing
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0664_zpszyqzcdqp.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0664_zpszyqzcdqp.jpg.html)

[wallace1973]

A bit progress, scotchbrighted the table
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0666_zpsjm6poocv.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0666_zpsjm6poocv.jpg.html)
Cleaned up the lettering with the dremmel and removed some casting marks
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0669_zpsjji5az2m.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0669_zpsjji5az2m.jpg.html)
Took the motor to bits to check things out.
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0672_zpstyeffdt1.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0672_zpstyeffdt1.jpg.html)
A well maintained motor, I was the first inside and the bearings are still good
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0670_zps96zesuhd.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0670_zps96zesuhd.jpg.html)
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0671_zpsdk2tgcd5.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0671_zpsdk2tgcd5.jpg.html)

[wallace1973]

Not the perfect weather for painting but needs must.
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0674_zpsefuzpq5r.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0674_zpsefuzpq5r.jpg.html)
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0675_zpsclqexpu2.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0675_zpsclqexpu2.jpg.html)
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0676_zpsxza7t8x2.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0676_zpsxza7t8x2.jpg.html)
A couple of days later I started assembling things and wondered why the motor wouldn't line at all. After a good 15mins I realised I rebuilt the motor backwards.
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0680_zpszvd7ldkw.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0680_zpszvd7ldkw.jpg.html)

[wallace1973]

All done. I had a nightmare with the starter and single phase preventor. Before I took this to bits everything worked fine but something must have happened whilst I was working on it. I took loads of pictures to refer back to. I replaced a couple of wires where the insulation was perished. Anyway would it heck play nice when all put back together. After 4 days of messing with it I gave in and installed a modern starter. I managed to use the original start / stop buttons which is good.
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0698_zpszq5uq1hd.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0698_zpszq5uq1hd.jpg.html)
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0697_zpsfncsb0id.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0697_zpsfncsb0id.jpg.html)
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0696_zpss9khw632.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0696_zpss9khw632.jpg.html)
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0695_zpsbwqvm6il.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0695_zpsbwqvm6il.jpg.html)
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0693_zpsdfcjlcwu.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0693_zpsdfcjlcwu.jpg.html)
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0692_zpspp3e0t1b.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/IMG_0692_zpspp3e0t1b.jpg.html)
What to do next Hmmm

[Vann]

...I had a nightmare with the starter and single phase preventor. Before I took this to bits everything worked fine but something must have happened whilst I was working on it. I took loads of pictures to refer back to. I replaced a couple of wires where the insulation was perished. Anyway would it heck play nice when all put back together. After 4 days of messing with it I gave in and installed a modern starter...That's the sort of thing that would set me back months. I just wouldn't want to put modern gear in there. That's one of the joys of being a procrastinator - at least I will be when I get 'round to joining the a Procrastinators Club... :;


All done...

What to do next Hmmm

I've had a change of mind and decided to do this little sander instead of the LQ...There you go - the LQ !!

Lovely job on the JQ.

Cheers, Vann.

[wallace1973]

I would love to start the LQ but its a major job. I've just received an RS to do for some one so I think that will be next.

[Vann]

I'm more than happy to watch your progress on an RS lathe. What size, 6" 8" or 10"?

Cheers, Vann.

[wallace1973]

Its a 6". The guy seems pretty serious because he had the big 'L' shaped tool rest cast and he wants me to find the carriage.

[bueller]

How rare would you guys say these JQ's are in Australia? They're probably the only Wadkin that I'd ever be able to fit into my small space so I think I want to try getting one.

Would also be interested to watch the RS restoration!

[clear out]

I won one on Epay about a decade ago.
It was up in Newcastle.
Used it for a bit, even scored a pile of discs from the uni that were the right size.
Ended up moving it on as I had started on making a larger single disc using a Wadkin 30" disc.
Didnt have to in the end thanks to Camoz.:D:rolleyes::roll:
H.

Actually that isn't true.
I scored a Wadkin Bursgreen disc and belt.
Thats when I moved it on.:no:

[Vann]

I won one on Epay about a decade ago.
It was up in Newcastle...You mean it's possible to sneak stuff past Camoz on the way to Sydney? Middle of the night job maybe? :D

Cheers, Vann.

[auscab]

How rare would you guys say these JQ's are in Australia?

I have never seen one . Ive only been looking at Wadkin stuff for about three years , pretty intensely looking at the auctions and what people talk about here. A few of the larger JTA and others that size have shown up in that time. Smaller direct drive Aussie double disk ones turn up . I bought one of those with the pivoting pendulum type table. You never know what will show up next if you follow hard.
Rob

[bueller]

I have never seen one . Ive only been looking at Wadkin stuff for about three years , pretty intensely looking at the auctions and what people talk about here. A few of the larger JTA and others that size have shown up in that time. Smaller direct drive Aussie double disk ones turn up . I bought one of those with the pivoting pendulum type table. You never know what will show up next if you follow hard.
Rob
Yeah I guess I'll have to keep an eye out and hope for the best. I actually see Wadkin machines pretty regularly in Perth but they're usually Bursgreen table and radial harm saws.

[auscab]

Yeah I guess I'll have to keep an eye out and hope for the best. I actually see Wadkin machines pretty regularly in Perth but they're usually Bursgreen table and radial harm saws.

Yes Ive seen nice `stuff over there . The Bursgreen BRA radial arm I showed not long ago came from over there . I got a Wadkin ECA Tenoner from Ron Mack over there as well . Quite an amazing distance to get it back here ! Forget driving to go pick it up !!

[bueller]

Yes Ive seen nice `stuff over there . The Bursgreen BRA radial arm I showed not long ago came from over there . I got a Wadkin ECA Tenoner from Ron Mack over there as well . Quite an amazing distance to get it back here ! Forget driving to go pick it up !!
Can you remember how much it cost to transport? I've always wondered if it would be worth trucking machines over here. Been looking for a Waldown 8SN drill press for like 6 months and haven't seen one in WA, see them listed every week over east. It's maddening!

[wallace1973]

The older ones like this one don't even appear much in the mother land. Theres plenty of the big boy ones 30" discs and bobbins. Theres plenty of the BGY's

[auscab]

The ECA was about $500 the BRA was roughly $400


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[bueller]

The ECA was about $500 the BRA was roughly $400


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Cheers mate, good to know!

[camoz]

Mark,

Another fantastic job! I have not seen the JQ for sale in Australia (in the 5 years I have been looking on and off). Do you know if the mitre gauge is the same as the one on the JTA?


You mean it's possible to sneak stuff past Camoz on the way to Sydney? Middle of the night job maybe? :D

Cheers, Vann.

I don't think there is a machine that Henry hasn't had at one point (remember he is the machine whisperer:U). As for the JQ a decade ago, I would have been busy buying import machines new and trying to adjust out of square, flimsy and easily brakeable parts (I didn't wake up to old machinery until about 2011, and even then it was a slow start).

As for sneaking them past me now, well the reality is Henry has probably helped me find more machines than I have him (why do you think I call him the machine whisperer:cool:).

Cheers,

Camo

[Fargo]

G'day
Attached is a scan of some information on the Combined Thermal Overload and Single Phasing Preventer from a book I have titled Industrial Electrical Plant Maintenance. No date but first issued from the City Of Sydney Public Library in 1966.

Cheers Hugh

[wallace1973]

Thanks Hugh, its the electrickery stuff that I struggle with.

[Vann]

I've had a change of mind and decided to do this little sander instead of the LQ. I'm going to leave the LQ smeared in plus gas for a while. I got this from a foundry pattern shop in Bolton that was closing. I've had it a couple of years and its a lovely thing.
When I started stripping it I noticed it still has a lot of original wiring which is well past its best, the cloth was starting to drop to bits so its probably a good thing I chose this one.
http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/wallace_099/wadkin%20JQ/261020133666_zps876b38fe.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/wallace_099/media/wadkin%20JQ/261020133666_zps876b38fe.jpg.html)
Unfortunately Wallace's excellent thread has been photobucketted :~.

I managed to find some low resolution copies of his photos through a google search...

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However, I've got these catalogue pikkies that I think I copied from the thread before the photobucketting:

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The first cut shows the sander in front of a dust collector/filter. This is missing from Wallace's machine. So when another JQ, complete with dust filter showed up, I thought it worth adding to this thread.

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Also of possible interest are these two pikkies showing the table tilt in action:

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This machine is JQ 401, test 22363, of 1944.

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Cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

How rare would you guys say these JQ's are in Australia?

I have never seen one . Ive only been looking at Wadkin stuff for about three years...
The only other one I've seen is one that showed up on Trademe back in May this year:

418730 418729 Seller's photos.

Woodlogic of this forum won it, and I guess it's shipped across the Tasman and in his workshop in Brissie by now.

For the record, they are:
JQ 401, test 22363, of 1944;
JQM 436, test 24050, of 1945 (woodlogic);
JQ 440, test 25215, of 1945 (wallace).

So what's the "M" in JQM I wonder?

Cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

Another photobucketted thread I thought I'd try putting the photos back in while there's a window of opportunity...

I've had a change of mind and decided to do this little sander instead of the LQ. I'm going to leave the LQ smeared in plus gas for a while. I got this from a foundry pattern shop in Bolton that was closing. I've had it a couple of years and its a lovely thing.
When I started stripping it I noticed it still has a lot of original wiring which is well past its best, the cloth was starting to drop to bits so its probably a good thing I chose this one.

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Please let me know if any photos don't show.

Enjoy.

Christmas cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

Here's the cover for the trip box, I like to use paint stripper on something like this to protect any detail.

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I think this paint job must have been in the late 70's early 80's. Wadkin brought out a 'supersaw' with literature of this colour.

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What is a single phase preventor?

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Its lost a couple of its corners, any ideas on how to fix. Maybe build up with braze and file?

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I started remove the 8 layers of paint and it has done a great job of protecting the metal, no rust. I think the people casting at wadkin must of had a really good day because these casting are really nice with very little evidence of fettling. The surface is perfect for a paint finish.

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Cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

It seems I got distracted :B. I'll try to get a few more posts repaired...


I got the sanding disc separated from the motor.

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A little heat before tapping the pins out

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The motor is 1.5hp

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This machine dates from 1945

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I love coming across old asset labels and writing

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Cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

A bit progress, scotchbrighted the table

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Cleaned up the lettering with the dremmel and removed some casting marks

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Took the motor to bits to check things out.

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A well maintained motor, I was the first inside and the bearings are still good

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Cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

Not the perfect weather for painting but needs must.

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A couple of days later I started assembling things and wondered why the motor wouldn't line at all. After a good 15mins I realised I rebuilt the motor backwards.

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Cheers, Vann.

[Vann]

All done. I had a nightmare with the starter and single phase preventor. Before I took this to bits everything worked fine but something must have happened whilst I was working on it. I took loads of pictures to refer back to. I replaced a couple of wires where the insulation was perished. Anyway would it heck play nice when all put back together. After 4 days of messing with it I gave in and installed a modern starter. I managed to use the original start / stop buttons which is good.

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What to do next Hmmm

What to do next indeed! If anyone has a favourite Wadkin (or Sagar) thread they would like to see de-bucketted, let me know.

Cheers, Vann.