Cocobolo wood

[Anthony Delgado]

Hey guys it's me again ! I'm getting a bunch of cocobolo boards and turning blanks ! Can anyone help me out and tell me we're I can offer and sell this wood.
Thanks for the help !!
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[Luke Maddux]

Are you in Mexico? Most of the commerce on this board is based in Australia.

Otherwise, which part of Australia are you in?

[Ironwood]

If you could get that stuff to Australia, you would have no trouble selling it. But it could prove difficult to get it here.

[Anthony Delgado]

Are you in Mexico? Most of the commerce on this board is based in Australia.

Otherwise, which part of Australia are you in?

Yea I'm in Mexico and I have legal documents to export to Australia and shouldn't have no trouble getting it there.
I'm looking for a steady client who can move and sell a few cubic meters a week or monthly even, to begin. I would gladly ship with no deposit to start, just while I get everything necessary to put up my own exotic wood store with several other Mexican species like :

BOCOTE
GRANADILLO
KINGWOOD
GUAYACAN
ZIRICOTE
CHE CHEN
PUKTE

and more.
If you know someone intrested, please let me know.
I would like to know the sizes required and most popular measurements, so I can fill up an order and hand pick the best quality.
I only have a permit good for 48 cubic meters and even though it seems a lot I believe it's best if I only send the best wood and prefieres sizes so I don't get stuck with a bunch of left over Cocobolo wood.
I'm also thinking about building a nice coffee table, lamps and ornaments to export also to Australia and Italy.
Thanks for your advice I really appreciate the help.

Thank you

Juan Antonio Delgado



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[dpm]

I doubt you'd move those kind of quantities in Australia.

That said, I'm interested in ziricote and possibly cocobolo and bocote in (very) small quantities.

Is this all properly dried?

[ian]

Hi Juan

48 cubic metres is roughly 2 x 20 foot containers.
Unfortunately I don't know any one other than one of the existing specialist timber merchants who could handle that quantity of wood.

[Anthony Delgado]

I doubt you'd move those kind of quantities in Australia.

That said, I'm interested in ziricote and possibly cocobolo and bocote in (very) small quantities.

Is this all properly dried?

I understand and believe me, I've been working with these types of wood and I've come to realize that what at first seems a lot, turns out to not be enough and the fact I wish to set up a small business in Sydney and maybe in Melbourne, I have set my mind in being patient and with a variety of woods maybe it will be easier to sell.
My minds set on starting so I'll be offering you guys the real Cocobolo wood blanks in all measures along with long boards as long as 8 ft, by 12-15 inches wide for bigger project so if any body is intrested I will gladly ahip whatever you wish to order with no money down or deposit of any type !
You just let me know if you need some and it doesn't matter if you do t like or aprove quality then you won't have to pata a dollar so hopefully we can start even if it's a very small .
Please let me know if you can help me sell and if later it wasn't good business then we go higher and higher and I know we'll make it work.
I'll be expecting your call
Thank you !!


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[Anthony Delgado]

Hi Juan

48 cubic metres is roughly 2 x 20 foot containers.
Unfortunately I don't know any one other than one of the existing specialist timber merchants who could handle that quantity of wood.

Thank you for your advice and like I said I would like very much if I found a client so I can just go deliver and give client 30 to 60 days credit just to help and find out if Australia will be a good business !
Please allow me to say that I am grateful for this permit authorized and also finding a good people to guide me , and hopefully a good steady client in future !!
Please let me know if you find someone or have an idea were to offer and at very low price.
I'm direct tree cutter with all equipment necessary to saw with profesional equipment, kiln dried and best quality guaranteed.

Thank you

011-521-027-8090
[email protected]



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[Emit]

Looks like nice timber. Sometimes it's best to just import it and sell it slowly. Probably won't work as a business model but if you have time on your side it's an option. Just keen everything as large as possible I say.


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[Luke Maddux]

For the quantities you're talking about, you need to talk to large scale timber merchants. I'm honestly not even aware of an operation in Australia that's importing that volume of non-industrial lumber, but there may be one, particularly if the price is right.

If I were you I would just start googling and calling.

[Luke Maddux]

It should also probably be mentioned that Australian timber is king in Australia. In my experience, there is not an enormous market for woods like Cocobolo. Certainly nothing like in the United States.

[doug3030]

It should also probably be mentioned that Australian timber is king in Australia.

I agree, I certainly prefer appropriate Aussie timber for my projects, but having said that ...


In my experience, there is not an enormous market for woods like Cocobolo. Certainly nothing like in the United States.

... Variety is the spice of life and if I had access to good quality, responsibly harvested exotics at a reasonable price I would use them, but only a few boards a year, not by the cube. :cool:

The market for Cocobolo and the other exotics mentioned might not be great but it is there. The OP is talking about making a start with just two shipping containers of timber. If it were mixed species it would move a lot faster than if it was all Cocobolo. :2tsup:

Cheers

Doug

[Ironwood]

I think if Cocobolo was readily available here, there would be a market for it. A lot depends on price of course, and available sizes, but I think if it was promoted in the right direction, woodworkers would use it.

[Luke Maddux]

If it were mixed species it would move a lot faster than if it was all Cocobolo.

Agreed.

[LGS]

Cocobolo is a nice timber to work and takes a finish like nothing else. However, it is nasty stuff in so far as it's dust plays havoc with one's lungs. For that reason alone many would shy away from it But as mentioned earlier, places like large commercial buildings where acres of wood are used with gay abandon, there would probably be a reasonable market. Places like Britton's Timbers may be interested in it.

Regards,

Rob

[Anthony Delgado]

Thanks again for the suggestions and advice. From what I know, Cocobolo wood isn't for everyone and not everyone likes it but for the people that do I know it means a lot to have a piece no matter how small it is.
The Emperors, Zars, Dictators and Presidents from all over the world, own a piece or this wood and to whom it has been more valuable are the Chinese because for centuries have believed this wood to have very strong positive energy and helps flow abundance a wealth, so for many this wood represents Victory and power this being the reason it is not for all but only for the man who has it all.
I've sold through eBay many guitar sets, bowl blanks, boards for wood crafting and small pieces to carve just to mention it has been 50 % or more sold just to Australia.
Explaining legal cutting is easy when we have the paperwork to stand by it to prove its legality proving this wood was cut down by the same federal government while building a Damm that had to cut not only this tree but the several others I mentioned.
I understand your concern and honesty but I wouldn't stop trying because someone tells me I'll fail !
I'll arrive because I have the legal paperwork to prove and if there's others doing it illegally, well then it's a problem because they do this illegally I believe to higher the price.
If you buy a board foot of cocobolo wood in the United States it can go from 45 to 80 dollars USD and with the ridiculous fees caused by shipping it goes up to 100 dollars USD.
I'm offering the very best quality for musical instruments, furniture, ornaments, pipes, electric cigarettes, wine bottle holders, ash trays pool cues, canes, baseball bats and more just so anyone can feel they have the opportunity to own something made outa of cocobolo and for those who think it's to much or that it's not your prefieres wood !
I understand and respect but I'm trying anyways and I hope I have a good response from Australian people and I'll defiantly take more than a few species but once at a time.
Price I believe will be between 45 and 60 Australia dollar to start and maybe even les so forget about 100 USD dollars and think about building your next exotic wood project out of cocobolo.
I appreciate real beauty and accept when something is nicer better than the other but from my experience there's nothing in the world that compares to cocobolo.
This is my opinion and whoever agrees I will arrive in 15/20 days with no delay and maybe you still have time to build the perfect Christmas gift for someone special
Thank to all the replies, good and bad it really helps to k je what you guys think and just so you know I'm the type of guy that's stubborn and I know I'll be in touch with lots of you that are intrested.
Anyone that really wants to see this wood and the quality please contact me via email at
[email protected]
[email protected]
Or at my personal celular phone
Mexican area code +1521-0278090 and I will gladly give you all info

Thanks again everyone and for sure I'll be able to export and offer in Sydney and Melbourne and I'll ship out in about 15:20 days and then wait for ERA but I'll keep anyone inteested postedl through this page or email and any questions please fell free to contact me for more info in case you have a special project that requieres special sizes and I will gladly quote you and remember!! No money up front until you receive the wood and are completely satisfied.
Thanks for the good and bad comments they really help me understand how people react to this species but I'm sure there's lots of people wanting some nice blinds, doors, wood flirting and I'm offering at the lowest prices so please take advantage and sign up your order so I know the amount I'll take

Regards

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[FenceFurniture]

Here's a potential option for you Antonio. shipito.com is a freight company that many Aussies (and others) use to import stuff from the States. You could get your own box number with them, and people could advise you by PM on this forum what they would like to order. When you have enough to be worthwhile sending to Los Angeles (Shipito warehouse) you could then advise each person what their pro-rata freight costs would be.

Shipito use various freight companies such as TNT, DHL, Fedex et al. One of them won't carry timber but I can't remember which one. TNT Express is usually the cheapest option, and only take 2-4 from LA to here.

Then, send the package to the person who has the heaviest order, and they can on-post to the other people. We do that kind of thing all the time here (well, I do anyway :D).

In the mean time you could make contact with the various Cabinet timber companies here (Matthews Timber, Trend Timber etc etc....google is your friend) and perhaps include some samples to be on-posted to them.

This is not viable for large quantities, but would be a good way of getting smaller shipments of 10-30 kilos out at a cost of maybe USD12-20 per kilo. That way people could assess the timber to see if they would like to order a larger quantity which could be bulk freighted.

HTH
Brett

[ian]

is it only me or is there something not quite right about this thread.

Cocobolo and the other exotics mentioned has go to be worth something in excess of $6 or $7000 a cube, maybe more than $10k per cube.
The OP's talking about what 48 cubic metres, which would be worth $300,000 or more retail.
Wholesale at 1/3 retail would still be something like $100,000 plus shipping etc.

That's a lot of money to have on the water on the basis of trust established on this site.

[ian]

and I'm sure Juan is talking in US Dollars.

[Luke Maddux]

FWIW, people will pay those kind of prices for wood. Maybe not $100,000 per cube though... That's a bit nuts.

I know that occasionally a block of "craft wood" or "boxmaking wood" or a "turning blank" will go on here for 30 or 40 dollars for a single piece. Sometimes I'm so shocked by it I do the math, and it's fairly routine for stuff to go at $40,000 or more per cubic meter.

I've personally paid as much as $50,000 per cubic meter for highly figured, kiln dried, sustainably sourced outback timbers when I had a project that required it. Not commonly though. The first that comes to mind is my home made router plane that I posted about, which came from a Gidgee blank that I paid around $40 for.

Carbatec sells straight grained African Blackwood for over $75,000 per cube. I'm not sure if anyone is buying it at that price, but I went in and calculated it one day and sure enough that was the number.

I've kind of gotten obsessed with cubic meter rates over the last couple of years, so I pay attention to that stuff. Furniture sized stock, sure, that should be between 3.5 and maybe 7,000 per cube. If it's something super rare (Queensland Walnut comes to mind) then I've heard of prices approaching $10,000 per cube, but that's uncommon.

All I'm saying is that selling Cocobolo to END USERS at $40,000 - 60,000 per cube is not impossible, but it would take some time and a very active retail outlet. Selling it in bulk to a merchant at that rate, however, would likely prove very difficult.

All prices above in AUD.

Probably worth mentioning that my experience is limited compared to others.

Cheers,
Luke

[Luke Maddux]

is it only me or is there something not quite right about this thread.

Agree.

[Anthony Delgado]

Here's a potential option for you Antonio. shipito.com is a freight company that many Aussies (and others) use to import stuff from the States. You could get your own box number with them, and people could advise you by PM on this forum what they would like to order. When you have enough to be worthwhile sending to Los Angeles (Shipito warehouse) you could then advise each person what their pro-rata freight costs would be.

Shipito use various freight companies such as TNT, DHL, Fedex et al. One of them won't carry timber but I can't remember which one. TNT Express is usually the cheapest option, and only take 2-4 from LA to here.

Then, send the package to the person who has the heaviest order, and they can on-post to the other people. We do that kind of thing all the time here (well, I do anyway :D).

In the mean time you could make contact with the various Cabinet timber companies here (Matthews Timber, Trend Timber etc etc....google is your friend) and perhaps include some samples to be on-posted to them.

This is not viable for large quantities, but would be a good way of getting smaller shipments of 10-30 kilos out at a cost of maybe USD12-20 per kilo. That way people could assess the timber to see if they would like to order a larger quantity which could be bulk freighted.

HTH
Brett

Very much appreciated my friend !! I will start with this and maybe one of these companies will have interest im larger amounts but 3 full containers of 20 m3 is not so much counting on the fact that I'm thinking of selling all at once but instead, selling pre cut wood for special projects like knives, bowls, small/medium furniture, doors, cannot handles bathroom accessories and more.
I'll start by calling these two major stores you mentioned and appreciate your help if you can tell me some more names if possible clients.
Thank you

J Anthony Delfado


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[Anthony Delgado]

Another thing is that the Chinese have bought and taken thousands of cubic meter es for centuries and control the market and price of this particular species and what I have to offer doesn't compare to their stock but defiantly compares in price and most of all in quality so if any one wants a sample I will gladly send free of charge and will even pay shipping just to get this business started and for anyone intrested and who has the time and contacts to make this project work I would be more than happy to send samples not only of cocobolo but another few species for anyone willing to join me so you have samples and all my business info including permits and tax I D so you fell more secure and safe about my wood being legal and able to import ands sell without problems.
Thank you
Anthony Delgado


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[bench1holio]

All Rosewoods (Dalbergia) have now been listed as appendix II. If you want to trade in Appendix II species to/from Australia you will generally need both a CITES export and import permit issued by CITES management authorities.

[Anthony Delgado]

All Rosewoods (Dalbergia) have now been listed as appendix II. If you want to trade in Appendix II species to/from Australia you will generally need both a CITES export and import permit issued by CITES management authorities.

Yes you are right about cocobolo being listed now in appendix 2 but it's not listed as an endangered species.
Appendix 2 is to control the comercial trade and keep a record of what is being cut and exported so the forest authorities have a better idea and control of this species.
Many people think that because you cut a tree, you kill it and they go on thinking about oxígeno, pollution and so on but as an agriculture engineer I can tell you that all trees that flower and every year drops there seeds will never die or extinct because someone cuts them.
At the contrary, when a huge tree is present, this type of tree won't let another tree grow at a 50 meter to 100 meter radius.
Cutting a tree o cocobolo or any seed tree brings life to the forests and the only way a conscious person cuts this tree is either because it's dead, very old, struck by lightning or hit by hurricanes and knocked down and then we can ask for tree to be used or commercialized.
In my case like I said there building a dam and necessarily cut them to open way for water to build the dam.
Others export and make profit without thinking about re forest Ing like China and Taiwan but every 40/50 years they come and take it all and make a fortune just like many other things they take from Mexico and all over the world and even though they shouldn't do it we still buy all there furniture, plastics, minerals and more without feeling remorseful or bad about it.
CITES document is expedited not by Mexican authorities only but by and international agency that really goes and inspects that the trees are already dead, k Ickes down or struck by lightning o natural disasters so as soon as someone wants to export anywhere in the world, Mexico puts in the paperwork and the port of destiny will do same and on screen there will appear a folio number and authenticity of CITES and it will be free to clear customs with. No problem
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[Anthony Delgado]

FWIW, people will pay those kind of prices for wood. Maybe not $100,000 per cube though... That's a bit nuts.

I know that occasionally a block of "craft wood" or "boxmaking wood" or a "turning blank" will go on here for 30 or 40 dollars for a single piece. Sometimes I'm so shocked by it I do the math, and it's fairly routine for stuff to go at $40,000 or more per cubic meter.

I've personally paid as much as $50,000 per cubic meter for highly figured, kiln dried, sustainably sourced outback timbers when I had a project that required it. Not commonly though. The first that comes to mind is my home made router plane that I posted about, which came from a Gidgee blank that I paid around $40 for.

Carbatec sells straight grained African Blackwood for over $75,000 per cube. I'm not sure if anyone is buying it at that price, but I went in and calculated it one day and sure enough that was the number.

I've kind of gotten obsessed with cubic meter rates over the last couple of years, so I pay attention to that stuff. Furniture sized stock, sure, that should be between 3.5 and maybe 7,000 per cube. If it's something super rare (Queensland Walnut comes to mind) then I've heard of prices approaching $10,000 per cube, but that's uncommon.

All I'm saying is that selling Cocobolo to END USERS at $40,000 - 60,000 per cube is not impossible, but it would take some time and a very active retail outlet. Selling it in bulk to a merchant at that rate, however, would likely prove very difficult.

All prices above in AUD.

Probably worth mentioning that my experience is limited compared to others.

Cheers,
Luke

Good point and let me share cocobolos actual price at market now !!
Here in Mexico a cube meter is minimumum 6,000 US dollars and in China is minimum 16,000 US dollars but these prices are logs or square cants you still have to consider a 30 % minimum loss because of this particular species and it's so many defects.
So it turns or to be around 25 grand or up to 30 grand a cube meter when it's cut up all clear and better wood.
Up to 70.00 US dollars for a BF

I'm offering this time and only for a few days the possibility to obtain any size piece or pieces you wish to order at 35 US dollars with shipping included and I will cut to desired measurements, width length and height and make sure it's unique and beautiful with no money down just so you see and have a piece of this exotic very rare wood.
If you don't think it's worth paying just send it back and no problem!!
So I'll be waiting for the first 100 orders and I'll pay shipping and guarantee delivery with no deposit or down payment.
If interested please contact me through email at
[email protected]

Or

[email protected]

Please leave measurements and number of BF and I'll give you quote on each piece before I send just so you agree on full payment after you recieve and if it's not much I'll send through air mail.
I know once I start it will be a great business and people that love cocobolo will have the chance to continue making there art with this precious wood.

Thanks again and if your intrested please contact me and I'll quote your order and remember I will send with no money down, deposit or contract obligating you to anything.
FedEx can deliver and open in front of you and if you don't like wood they will take back and send back to me!!
I know you can't beat that and for guitars and other instruments please also contact me and let me know what you need .


Regards

Anthony Delgado


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[Kuffy]

I dont understand this. You are willing to send timber over the ocean without taking full payment or even a down payment beforehand? Apart from me being an honest guy, why would I pay AFTER I have recieved the timber?

[Anthony Delgado]

I dont understand this. You are willing to send timber over the ocean without taking full payment or even a down payment beforehand? Apart from me being an honest guy, why would I pay AFTER I have recieved the timber?

Just like you I am an honest person or at least I try to be.
I wouldn't send more than a few feet just so anyone interested can see the quality, then after we can work something out to were anyone that wants this wood and can't get it can always have someone they trust and just as I would send the wood I would also return the money in case it wasn't exactly what you order.
I'm willing to trust and hopefully that person that wants to take advantage of this will maybe steal a couple hundred dollars but that's it and I don't have a fortune, neither am I super wealthy but I've come across my best partners by trusting 100% without doubt and many have scammed and stole but most of my clients have come through and figures out that we can make a lot more if we're straight up forward and honest.
That's my way of thinking and I've won more than I've lost doing it this way so if your interested, well then I'm willing.
My plan is to set up a store in Sydney or Melbourne and maybe both and I'm the kind of guy that takes risks !!
Let me know if your interested in a piece and we'll see how it turns out !! I'm searching for a partner with the capacity to make it work, no matter what obstacles come between so I'll be waiting for the first orders and to finish I'd rather trust than doubt.


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[Mobyturns]

:confuzzled:

Perhaps you should be talking with the wonderful people at Austrade Austrade, Australian Government - Austrade (http://www.austrade.gov.au/) to see if they can assist with matching your proposal with a business partner in Australia.

[Big Shed]

Some posts were getting somewhat personal and they have been removed, some others no longer make sense because of this and they also have been removed.

This is a new member to the forum, who incidentally has made an offer that members are free to take up or not.

Please keep your comments non-judgemental or they will be removed.

[FenceFurniture]

.....and appreciate your help if you can tell me some more names if possible clients. I'm not the best one for that as I have only purchased retail timber once from Trend Timbers (who sell pen blanks, btw) - there would be other people who can point you towards the other retailers of timber.

And a correction to my post:

TNT Express is usually the cheapest option, and only take 2-4 from LA to here.should have said 2-4 days from LA to here.

Another sales option could be to put out the call for a member here to act as an agent for you, selling the timber on the forum. Send that person a sea freight shipment of reasonable size (maybe 100 kgs) cut to popular sizes (pen blanks, other turning blanks, blocks for making boxes, perhaps inlays).

The thing with sea freight is that the paper pushers at this end love charging excruciating fees for entering a few lines in a computer (DAMHIKT). The fees can add up to an hourly rate of perhaps $1000-$5000! Shipito don't do Sea Freight (for some reason) but there is another company UStoOz who do, and as far as I know, the fees are all inclusive. Their email address is


[email protected]


and Sarah Madigan is the person to talk to.

Here is a partial quote from her email to me last year with my bold highlights:
Our sea freight rate includes port handling charges, customs clearance, customs brokerage and the local courier in Australia. The local courier company in Australia differs, often it will be Hunter Express. As you can understand, we can't quote quarantine charges upfront because they aren't fixed, usually they aren't even applicable. Generally, quarantine will only inspect our shipments if the items are made from solid wood or used equipment. We are very precise with our customs declarations which usually ensures a very smooth clearance. As you have confirmed that your shipments are <$1000AUD it would be unusual for quarantine to inspect as we use an expedited/online clearance process.

This part:
your shipments are <$1000AUD

is very important. If the goods are more than AUD$1000 then our local Goods & Services Tax of 10% will apply, as well as any applicable Import Duty (probably zero for timber). Now the rub is that even though shipping costs are NOT included in that $1000 threshold, they ARE included if the 10% GST is invoked. There are a couple of other subtleties to this which I can address for you at an appropriate time (i.e. if you decide to do it).

There has been much talk of this $1000 threshold being lowered, but I can't remember where that is up to. CHAPS? Anyone know? Is there something actually changing next year, or is it all like the Barber's Cat?




Fred (Big Shed), I don't think that breaks any forum rules does it?

[Big Shed]

Fred (Big Shed), I don't think that breaks any forum rules does it?

Not as far as I can see Brett, sounds like the sort of info that could be useful to the OP, thanks for a positive post.