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Stu in Tokyo
1st September 2005, 11:51 PM
I've been using my cyclone for a while, but today I really put my shop through it's paces.
I'm making "some under the bed" storeage, basically drawers with wheels on them.

http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/cyclone/underbed_drawers.JPG
My lovely wife tells me that they should have lids on them, so I've decided to make some
lids that will be thin plywood, and an edge molding.
The edge molding will drop over the side of the drawers like a lid on a box.

To make the edge moldings, I used some 2x4s I had laying around,
I first cut them to an approx length with the SCMS.
Then I jointed one face and one edge on the Green Meanie, once that was done,
it was on to Big Blue to rip the 2x4s to size. I have to tell you,
that saw just ran through those 2x4s like nothing, way faster,
and way less dust etc than the table saw. :D

Next I jointed one more face on half of the sticks, as they now only had one face jointed.
I then pulled out the Makita thickness planer and got everything sized to 3 cm square.

Next I needed to cut a groove in the pieces 2 cm x 2cm, so I set up the TS with my Dado blade.
Now I know it would have been a lot less dust and mess if I'd just made two cuts with the
regular blade, but, I wanted to see how my cyclone and ducting would work.

Here is the TS set up with feather boards and the dado blade.
http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/cyclone/dado_featherstack_close.JPG
I made the groove in two passes. After one pass on each stick, I thought I should maybe check
to see how full the dust bin was getting on the cyclone, good thing that I did...
http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/cyclone/cyclone_full1.JPG
Yep, I'd say she is FULL :D

http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/cyclone/cyclone_full_close.JPG
So full in fact, that when I lifted up the lid and slid the bin out, dust fell to the floor behind
it. I was thinking that my filter stack would be FULL of dust, but it only had one lonely chip....
http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/cyclone/filter_stack_clean_out_one_chip.JPG
and some very light dust, that you could barely see, it does not really show up in the pic.
If I'd done a few more boards, I bet I would have filled the filter stack, not a good thing.

To solve this problem, I decided I needed a window on the lid...
http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/cyclone/cyclone_window.JPG
So far it has stayed clean enough to still be able to see inside, but we will have to see what happens,
I may have to rig up a bent brush that works like a wiper.

OK back to the lids and the mouldings.

I then finished the grooves with the Dado blade and then moved over to my router table.
I put a round over bit in the router and set it up and then did all the edges of the moldings.
http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/cyclone/cutoffbin_outfeed_stack.JPG
I was able to pull out the cut offs bin and use it like an outfeed table of sorts, worked great!

Now I have a bunch of moldings that will form the lip of the lids for the under the bed storeage drawers.
http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/cyclone/lid_corner_moulding.jpg

These bags went to the local Shinto Shrine where the priest does composting,
he was very please to get the sawdust, and it saves me putting it out on garbage day.
http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/cyclone/bags_of_sawdust.JPG

All in all I was very please with how things worked in my shop this morning,
with a few little tweaks yet to be done, production just sailed along smoothly,
not digging for stuff, or futzing around trying to setup or find anything,
I know my hard work in building my shop has paid off,
I'm sure glad I took the time to do it right.

Thanks for looking!

Cheers!

Harry72
2nd September 2005, 12:01 AM
Looks like the dungeon works a treat!
Is that dust drum a PITA to remove, would be for me as a drum that size during a heavy day in my shop would need emptying 3-4 times!
What about if you made a box with a sealing door at the front and then had a bin that slides in and out... save undoing/doing up those T-nuts all the time?

Stu in Tokyo
2nd September 2005, 12:23 AM
I'll admit it is a work in progress, but so far it seems to be fine. Sure today I filled it, but I usually don't do that much heavy work.

I'm looking for some larger garbage bags, the ones I have now, 90 litres, don't quite fit, if I had larger bags, I'd rig up a bag holder inside the bin, then it would be really easy to remove the dust.

I'm a bit restricted on the bin size as I have low ceilings.

I've thought about the T-nuts, but really, it just takes a minute or two, no big deal.

Cheers!

zenwood
2nd September 2005, 12:23 AM
Inspirational stuff Stu. But how come my shed time seems to be one long futz?:confused:

Stu in Tokyo
2nd September 2005, 12:34 AM
Inspirational stuff Stu. But how come my shed time seems to be one long futz?:confused:

I'm tellling you, get rid of that TV/VCR you have out there, and you'll get a lot more done!! ;)

The whole "Futz Factor" can sure be hard habit to break, I know!!

Cheers!

Skew ChiDAMN!!
2nd September 2005, 12:41 AM
Just as a matter of curiosity Stu, where is your impeller in that setup?

Is it before the cyclone/filter stack or is it (as I suspect) the red doover between them?

Stu in Tokyo
2nd September 2005, 01:01 AM
Just as a matter of curiosity Stu, where is your impeller in that setup?

Is it before the cyclone/filter stack or is it (as I suspect) the red doover between them?

It is between the cyclone and filter stack, the red thing, yes.

http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/cyclone/cyclone_finished%21.jpg
I'm really limited by the size of my shop, but this seems to really suck, so I'm happy :D

Cheers!

zenwood
2nd September 2005, 10:12 AM
I'm tellling you, get rid of that TV/VCR...
Nope: no TV/VCR. And don't tell me to get rid of the CDs. John Lee Hooker singing I'll Never Get Out Of These Blues Alive just goes so well with all the futzing.:D

silentC
2nd September 2005, 11:54 AM
John Lee Hooker singing I'll Never Get Out Of These Blues Alive
Ahh, something artistic we can agree on...

It's normal to put the impeller on the outlet side of the cyclone, the only thing I'd do different is to put it on top of the cyclone so that you don't have the added friction of the flexible hose - but as you say you are limited in what you can do.

Are those filters for sawdust specifically or something else? I thought I might be able to use truck air filters for mine....

zenwood
2nd September 2005, 12:36 PM
Ahh, something artistic we can agree on...
Cool.:) What about this one (http://dw.com.com/redir?ltype=sclip&siteid=31&edid=3&asId=1789815&astId=12&ptId=&ontid=7975&ttag=4446&lop=&orderId=&destURL=http%3A%2F%2Fsg1.allmusic.com%2Fcg%2Fsmp.dll%3Flink%3Dyza5bers0b2ydo582l2j61p%26z%3DMP3%26r%3D20.asx);):D:D

silentC
2nd September 2005, 01:27 PM
My mum used to blast me with Elvis (the fat 70's kind) every day during the school holidays. :eek: I used to love it!! Not so sure these days, although I did play in a band that did an Elvis medley once ;)

Stu in Tokyo
2nd September 2005, 01:39 PM
Ahh, something artistic we can agree on...

It's normal to put the impeller on the outlet side of the cyclone, the only thing I'd do different is to put it on top of the cyclone so that you don't have the added friction of the flexible hose - but as you say you are limited in what you can do.

Are those filters for sawdust specifically or something else? I thought I might be able to use truck air filters for mine....

I too love the blues!!

If I had put the blower on top of the cyclone, my dust bin would have been so small, I would be emptying it everyday at least once a day, so I had to put it off to the side.

The filters are these ones P527080-461-436 (https://dynamic.donaldson.com/webc/WebStore/search/item_detail.html?section=10685&item=95852)

They have the fire retardant as well, I hope they llast a long time!

Cheers!

Skew ChiDAMN!!
2nd September 2005, 10:19 PM
It's normal to put the impeller on the outlet side of the cyclone, the only thing I'd do different is to put it on top of the cyclone so that you don't have the added friction of the flexible hose - but as you say you are limited in what you can do.

That's what had me wondering. I wasn't sure whether 'twas a normal system or if it had an impeller on top of the cyclone & the red beasty was an... "auxiliary..." for the filter stack. I've seen some pretty odd commercial configurations. :rolleyes:


Are those filters for sawdust specifically or something else? I thought I might be able to use truck air filters for mine....

How many micron does a truck filter go down to?

Stu in Tokyo
2nd September 2005, 10:44 PM
Most truck filters are really not what you want, they are designed to catch and HOLD the dirt, so once dirty with dust, they are done.

The filters I have, and others like them are designed to catch the dirt, (well dust) but they also release it, so the filters life will be MUCH longer.

Just a point that was brought to my attention when I was looking for filters.

Cheers!

BarryBurgess
3rd September 2005, 12:21 AM
I too love the blues!!

If I had put the blower on top of the cyclone, my dust bin would have been so small, I would be emptying it everyday at least once a day, so I had to put it off to the side.

The filters are these ones P527080-461-436 (https://dynamic.donaldson.com/webc/WebStore/search/item_detail.html?section=10685&item=95852)

They have the fire retardant as well, I hope they llast a long time!

Cheers!
What did you pay for these filters . I have been quoted £128 +VAT +carriage per filter? I remember from bill's site the price in the USA was about $80
Thanks I hope the Uk prices are not higher than Tokyo!!!

Stu in Tokyo
3rd September 2005, 07:04 AM
What did you pay for these filters . I have been quoted £128 +VAT +carriage per filter? I remember from bill's site the price in the USA was about $80
Thanks I hope the Uk prices are not higher than Tokyo!!!

Well I cannot say what I paid, it is a secret....;)

I buddy in the US who works for a large company that does business with Donaldson got the filters for me and then he shipped them to another buddy here in Japan who works for the US Gov, in other words, I got them shipped for the same price it would cost to ship them in the US, so ya I got them cheap, nice to have friends.

Here in Japan, Donaldson quoted me 38,000 yen ($350 US)EACH and it would take 3 to 6 MONTHS to get them.... :eek:

So I got lucky.

Cheers!

journeyman Mick
3rd September 2005, 01:51 PM
Donaldson are (were?) an Australian company and their factory is (was?) somewhere near Gosford from memory (Wyong?). I remeber seeing it next to the railway tracks going from Sydney to Newcastle. However this was about 25 years ago so who knoows what's happened to them in the meantime. If they still are a local company you may be able to contact them, let them know what you're after and get the cheapest (read highest volume seller) truck filter. Alternatively your local truck parts place should be able to help.

Mick

Stu in Tokyo
3rd September 2005, 03:42 PM
I dunno if they stated in Australia, but they are sure world wide now.

They list these offices in Australia....

AUSTRALIA
Wyong
Donaldson Australasia Pty Ltd
1 Lucca Road (P.O. Box 153)
Wyong, NSW 2259, Australia
Phone: 61-24-350 2000, Fax: 61-24-351 2036
Sydney
Donaldson Australasia Pty Ltd
26 Meredith Street
Bankstown NSW 2200, Australia
Phone: 61-28-713 1300, Fax: 61-28-713 1333
Victoria
Donaldson Australasia Pty Ltd
Uit 29, 41-49 Norcal Rd
Nunawading, Victoria 3131
P.O. Box 328
Phone: 61-39-874 2600, Fax: 61-39-874 2611
Queensland
Donaldson Australasia Pty Ltd
P.O. Box 212, Archerfield Queensland 4108
Phone: 61-43-854 9132


and in

New Zealand
Donaldson Australasia Pty Ltd
10E Burrett Ave., Penrose, Auckland N.Z.
P.O. Box 12-489
Phone: (0011) 64 9 579 2790, Fax: (0015) 64 9 579 0322

Cheers!

markharrison
3rd September 2005, 07:07 PM
FYI: There is an Australian distributor that I found on the Donaldson website that Stu gave a pointer to.

Here are the contact details:

Australia
Wyong, New South Wales
Phone: 02-4350-2033; Fax: 02-4351-3849

junkboy999
4th September 2005, 10:41 PM
Stu

Hey Hi. I been looking at the shop on your page and that is the true meaning of small shop. Good job of making the best of what you got. :)

I was wondering about the Pic you posted above with the dato balde setup. Was wonding if after the secound pass on your cut does the back feather board push you work to the side. looks a little odd to me.

Stu in Tokyo
5th September 2005, 03:16 AM
Stu

Hey Hi. I been looking at the shop on your page and that is the true meaning of small shop. Good job of making the best of what you got. :)

I was wondering about the Pic you posted above with the dato balde setup. Was wonding if after the secound pass on your cut does the back feather board push you work to the side. looks a little odd to me.

Thanks for the compliments on my small space!

The pic....
http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/cyclone/dado_featherstack_close.JPG

You can see the black board, at the back, holding the workpiece against the fence, this would be a HUGE No-No on a through cut, but with the dado blade is it OK

Maybe this shot shows it better...
http://ablett.jp/workshop/images/cyclone/dado_stack_featherboards.JPG
The feather boards do not push the workpiece into the blade, the push before the blade and after it.

Again, I'll stress that this is on a Dado blade, not a through cut.

Cheers!

junkboy999
5th September 2005, 10:05 PM
Yes that is a better angle. The other Pic looked like the top FB was more in front of the dado blade and not over it. I take it that the back FB is just set in to place to guide and not apply pressure on your stock. I would worry about the back FB pushing the bottom edge on the stock and rocking it in to the bale, being that there is only about 1.5 mm of the stock is touching the fence at the top.

My self, I would of cut them like this. But that is just me :)

Stu in Tokyo
5th September 2005, 11:28 PM
Yes that is a better angle. The other Pic looked like the top FB was more in front of the dado blade and not over it. I take it that the back FB is just set in to place to guide and not apply pressure on your stock. I would worry about the back FB pushing the bottom edge on the stock and rocking it in to the bale, being that there is only about 1.5 mm of the stock is touching the fence at the top.

My self, I would of cut them like this. But that is just me :)

Yes, I would have done it that way as well, in fact, if you read my original post........

" Next I needed to cut a groove in the pieces 2 cm x 2cm, so I set up the TS with my Dado blade.
Now I know it would have been a lot less dust and mess if I'd just made two cuts with the
regular blade, but, I wanted to see how my cyclone and ducting would work."

.......... I said that, but the reason I did it this way was to generate a large amount of dust, to put my cyclone through it's paces :D

Cheers!

junkboy999
6th September 2005, 10:08 PM
Duh!!

Yes you did :) hehehe you must of changed it. I read it again and it must of just went in one eye (ear) and out the other :)