Skin Cancer

[Farm boy]

Hello guys
I had a mole growing on my face since i was a teenager and i never worried about it .
The last 2 months or so it was getting enlarged and the missus is on my back to go to the doctor.
So the doctor gives me a referal to a dermatolagist and he checks it out not a problem greg we will cut it off and bobs your uncle,but while your here i will check your skin over
Not a problem i think until he says there is unusual skin colour change below your neck have you noticed it before ? no i say ,well the dermatoligist says we will cut it out at the same time we chop the mole off.
A week after the operations i go back today to get the stiches out he says the mole on your face was infected and that was fine but the mark under your neck was a malignent cancer ,we got it all but i will have to go back every 3 months for check ups.
guys i never thought about skin cancer till this all i want to say is get your partner to check your skin over every now and then and if you notice any change get your doctor to give you a referal to a dermatologist it might save your lifehttp://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon14.gif

greg

[kiwigeo]

Glad to hear you've got a clean bill of health there Greg.

[Ivan in Oz]

That's the same with all cancers.
Get at them early.
I've lost an Uncle through Prostrate Cancer......He did not want to know about it.
A cousin [she 'should have been my sister; long story] through Cancer of the liver.
I got cut Penis to sternum and my FGuts dumped into a Large Stainless Steel "SALAD" bowel,
while the Doctor cut out a "Suspect" section of Large intestine.

Hey!!
I'm still here annoying the 'C**p' out of Ppl 8 years later.
Get 'things' seen to, and act upon them.

You KILL them;
or
They'll KILL you!

SoapBox put away, for a while.


Ask me about my Doctor [with whom I went to school]
who has a WICKED SOH, while he was giving me a Digital Prostrate examination :eek: :eek: :o

[knucklehead]

Very important Greg. This affects thousand of Australian every year.

I can highly recommend the specialist skin check clinics. At the clinics you are checked over by a surgen. They are experts in this stuff. While GPs are O.K. many have not seen skin cancer in their practice. This means that they are normally over zealous with the removal of suspect moles, it can also mean that they miss something that is less than obvious.

I went to the skin clinic after my local GP decided that several suspect bits that needed to be taken off. The specialist checked from head to toe and said they were all O.K. but and I quote "you have rubbish euro skin and you WILL get cancers, so see you next year and every year after that".

P.S. it was all covered under medicare.

[mkemila]

That's the same with all cancers.
Get at them early.
I've lost an Uncle through Prostrate Cancer......He did not want to know about it.
A cousin [she 'should have been my sister; long story] through Cancer of the liver.
I got cut Penis to sternum and my FGuts dumped into a Large Stainless Steel "SALAD" bowel,
while the Doctor cut out a "Suspect" section of Large intestine.

Hey!!
I'm still here annoying the 'C**p' out of Ppl 8 years later.
Get 'things' seen to, and act upon them.

You KILL them;
or
They'll KILL you!

SoapBox put away, for a while.


Ask me about my Doctor [with whom I went to school]
who has a WICKED SOH, while he was giving me a Digital Prostrate examination :eek: :eek: :o


Soap box taken out again.

My father is going through radical chemotherapy right now for Lukemia and Lymphoma because he brushed off symptoms last year.
I am not saying that he wouldn't be in the condition that he is now but the chances of living a few extra years would be much much better.

If you have any symptoms GET THEM CHECKED!!


Soap box put away

[Arron]

I had the same thing. Last October I noticed a little black lump on my arm that I had never seen before. I stared at it for three months without doing anything, then on a whim in December I went to see the local GP. The cancer had spread 1.5mm below the surface - at 3mm below the mortality rate is 85% (I believe, I never really understand medical stuff). The spot was only about 5mm across and only poked up about 1mm above the surface. If it had appeared on some other part of my body - like my back - I probably would never have noticed it.

Now I have three large scars on my arm, and like you a need to go every three months for 'lifelong surveillance' - and a realisation that I am one of the truly lucky ones. All thanks to medical people who were competent and diligent beyond any normal expectation and a state medical system that despite its many failings still comes through when it has to.

I'm also not allowed in the sun any more without long pants, long sleeves, hat, sunscreen etc - uncomfortable but not too big a price to pay.

Arron

[ozwinner]

I work out in the sun day in day out.

I never take my shirt off, never wear shorts no matter how hot it gets, it can be 40 degrees C and Ill still be covered, sure I get hot, but I look at the poor buggers working next to me all stripped off, all exposed to the sun, surely I must be cooler? :cool:

And I always wear a hat and sun screen in summer.
Ive had a couple of "things" frozen off at the Doc's too.

Al :)

[MathewA]

I work out in the sun day in day out.

I never take my shirt off, never wear shorts no matter how hot it gets, it can be 40 degrees C and Ill still be covered,

And I always wear a hat and sun screen in summer.
Ive had a couple of "things" frozen off at the Doc's too.

Al :)

No wonder you live in Victoria - you must be a mexican.

Is that a sombrero you refered to as a hat

[MathewA]

I used to have a dark spot on my little finger that started to get real itchy and appeared to be spreading. So I went to my local gp to have it looked at. The regular guy wasn't there so I saw the other guy. He said it's probably nothing and don't worry about it. The reader digest version (shortened) I said screw you, "probably" ain't good enough. I'll come back when your boss is here and have him do it. I actually got quite belligerent with the guy and walked out before he could reply. You have to be 110% certain or don't mess with my health.

Had the other doctor burn it off with nitrogen.

[nomoe]

You have to try Can-sema (see my sig below for link). It has been the only thing that has cured my skin cancer. There is stuff at the doctors office but it's way more expensive and this works better. Good luck!

[nomoe]

I used to have a dark spot on my little finger that started to get real itchy and appeared to be spreading. So I went to my local gp to have it looked at. The regular guy wasn't there so I saw the other guy. He said it's probably nothing and don't worry about it. The reader digest version (shortened) I said screw you, "probably" ain't good enough. I'll come back when your boss is here and have him do it. I actually got quite belligerent with the guy and walked out before he could reply. You have to be 110% certain or don't mess with my health.

Had the other doctor burn it off with nitrogen.

I had surgery twice and they told me my edges were clear. It came back as basal cell after the expensive surgeries. I heard about this stuff Can-Sema and there are thousands of testimonies. It's been the only thing that has kept my cancer from coming back. It only recognizes cancerous tissue and then attacks it to the root.

[bitingmidge]

nomoe - nopage to the link - noloss I reckon.

Cheers,

P :rolleyes:

[Termite]

Mid last year my bro-in-law and best mate finally went and had a little lump on his tongue checked out, he'd been ignoring it for about 12 months, and it was cancer. He ended up having massive surgery and we ended up losing him this year.

Moral of this whole post "If in doubt check it out".

[Arron]

I had surgery twice and they told me my edges were clear. It came back as basal cell after the expensive surgeries. I heard about this stuff Can-Sema and there are thousands of testimonies. It's been the only thing that has kept my cancer from coming back. It only recognizes cancerous tissue and then attacks it to the root.

Mate, your advice is dangerous and immoral. I know that the common 'superficial spreading melanomas' are not that dangerous and can be tolerated for a while, but if you get one of the serious types you have just days or weeks till you go over the boundary between when you can and cannot be treated. Once the metastasing cancer cells spread to other parts of your body there is no effective cure - and your average time left on this earth is about 11 months. No untested, unproven herbal remedy has any place in the management of this problem. You are not selling it, by any chance, are you ?

I sincerely hope no-one takes this guy seriously, and gets medical advice if in any doubt.

Arron

[ozwinner]

It only recognizes cancerous tissue and then attacks it to the root.

You must be kidding???
All the money spent on research by dozens of multi million dollar companys, and all I need are some herbs.

Get real, Wanker.

Al :mad:

[Greg Q]

You have to try Can-sema (see my sig below for link). It has been the only thing that has cured my skin cancer. There is stuff at the doctors office but it's way more expensive and this works better. Good luck!

Man, are you deluded. or worse. Please don't try and peddle this crap here.:mad:

Warmest regards

Greg

[glenmackinnon]

I hope nomoe is not put off by the eloquent(?) ridicule and name calling, because he has introduced you to a cure (actually the North American Indians did centuries ago) that actually works without necessarily having to resort to " better" and "proven" medical solutions. Cansema has wiped out a cancer on the back of my hand in two easy applications after 3 attempts by my doctor failed to eradicate it. There is no scar left. It has removed several from my wife's arm, shoulder and back that she had been assured by a doctor and a dermatologist were gone; but were not (again, after frequent attempts by doctors to remove them with nitrogen freezing.)
An elderly neighbour with a cancerous lesion on the top of her head quite independently told us that her doctor was treating her with Cansema and subsequently told us and showed us that it was totally gone.
A friend of ours who is a doctor (but not our personal doctor), who enjoys the outdoors and triathalons, has had frequent skin cancers and has had them cut out. They grew back. He began using Cansema and the growths were destroyed.
It may not work in one application : it may take several, but it works, and without the disfiguring scarring and the expense.
By all means, seek expert advice and have your skin checked by specialists (we do), but do not turn a blind eye to a cure that actually works for cancers while the recognized medical methods do not always.
The method of treatment is your choice .
The web address for the curious, concerned or the self-proclaimed experts in the field is: www.altcancer.com/ (http://www.altcancer.com/) or users.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/cansema.html or simply enter alpha omega laboratories into your search engine.
I hope no one takes Arron seriously. You are not a spokesman for the mainstream medical profession or the drug companies, are you?
By the way, we don't sell Cansema, we simply use it for it's qualities as an effective cure.
If you were around in the 1930's would you have put down penicillin the same way. Treating infections with a mould? Come on guys, get real.
Ozwinner refers to research by multimillion dollar companies for cancer cures. They do this to make multi multi millions of dollars of profit.
For example recent research shows that sugar water is just as effective as expensive cough remedies and it does not suppress the body's natural defences as these "miracle" remedies do.
We might ask gregoryq who the deluded one is.

P.S. Do we have to stoop to name calling to make our point?

Good on ya, nomoe! Sorry I didn't catch your comments earlier

[Shedhand]

Out of interest only, I just googled andrographis and graviola, the 2 principal constituents of Cansema and found info that states andrographis is herb known to assist the effectiveness of the human immune system. The information states it is used a traditional Chinese remedy for the common cold. Graviola is harvested from graviola trees in the amazon rainforest and is said to be effective in the treatment of cancer.

Quote:
Main Actions (in order):
anticancerous, antitumorous, antimicrobial, antiparasitic, hypotensive (lowers blood pressure) Main Uses:

for cancer (all types)
as a broad-spectrum internal and external antimicrobial to treat bacterial and fungal infections
for internal parasites and worms
for high blood pressure
for depression, stress, and nervous disorders Properties/Actions Documented by Research:
antibacterial, anticancerous, anticonvulsant, antidepressant, antifungal, antimalarial, antimutagenic (cellular protector), antiparasitic, antispasmodic, antitumorous, cardiodepressant, emetic (causes vomiting), hypotensive (lowers blood pressure), insecticidal, sedative, uterine stimulant, vasodilator Other Properties/Actions Documented by Traditional Use:
antiviral, cardiotonic (tones, balances, strengthens the heart), decongestant, digestive stimulant, febrifuge (reduces fever), nervine (balances/calms nerves), pediculicide (kills lice), vermifuge (expels worms)
Cautions: It has cardiodepressant, vasodilator, and hypotensive (lowers blood pressure) actions. Large dosages can cause nausea and vomiting. Avoid combining with ATP-enhancers like CoQ10.
Unquote


I post this with no comment other than I am not a medical person so am not qualified in any way to comment one way or t'other on this.
Cheers
My interest is that my brother had his complete stomach removed before christmas and is currently having chemotherapy to kill off the other tumours they found when they opened him up. I guess if chemo doesn't work for him he'll try soemthing else. What would he have to lose with only 4 or 5 more years to live anyway. *Shrugs*

[Farm boy]

thanks for the info shed hand i go back for a check up in a month or sooner if possible
i have a funny feeling the malignent one is back on my neck again there is a lump forming again were they cut the last out:mad:

[Greg Q]

[QUOTE=glenmackinnon]I hope nomoe is not put off by the eloquent(?) ridicule and name calling, because he has introduced you to a cure (actually the North American Indians did centuries ago)

Yeah? Really. How the hell did the North American indians get stuff from the Amazon? The average age of death of skeletons examined in a wide-ranging study in the Great Lakes area was around 33.

that actually works without necessarily having to resort to " better" and "proven" medical solutions.

There's a reason why the scientific world insists on proof. Proof is easy-you can count, you can prove. If you can't show that the numbers of cures is not more than a statistical aberation, then it doesn't work.

Cansema has wiped out a cancer on the back of my hand in two easy applications after 3 attempts by my doctor failed to eradicate it. There is no scar left. It has removed several from my wife's arm, shoulder and back that she had been assured by a doctor and a dermatologist were gone; but were not (again, after frequent attempts by doctors to remove them with nitrogen freezing.)

Good. I am happy for you. No sarcasm. What is your doctor's name and phone number, and will you allow him to discuss your medical records?

It may not work in one application : it may take several, but it works, and without the disfiguring scarring and the expense.

Why? Is it free?

By all means, seek expert advice and have your skin checked by specialists (we do), but do not turn a blind eye to a cure that actually works for cancers while the recognized medical methods do not always.
The method of treatment is your choice .
The web address for the curious, concerned or the self-proclaimed experts in the field is: www.altcancer.com/ (http://www.altcancer.com/) or users.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/cansema.html or simply enter alpha omega laboratories into your search engine.

I hope no one takes Arron seriously. You are not a spokesman for the mainstream medical profession or the drug companies, are you?
By the way, we don't sell Cansema, we simply use it for it's qualities as an effective cure.
If you were around in the 1930's would you have put down penicillin the same way. Treating infections with a mould? Come on guys, get real.

Actually, I wouldn't have. You can easily see the action of the mold on the bacteria in the petrie dish. Can the same be said of this stuff?

Ozwinner refers to research by multimillion dollar companies for cancer cures. They do this to make multi multi millions of dollars of profit.

Actually, since there are no cancer "cures", they don't make a zack in profits.
Almost all direct cancer research is conducted at public institutions. This is how we end up with therapies and , now, vacines for some cancers.
Pharmaceutical companies are busy making Viagra.

For example recent research shows that sugar water is just as effective as expensive cough remedies and it does not suppress the body's natural defences as these "miracle" remedies do.

What the hell do over the counter cough 'remedies' have to do with this? Everybody with a brain knows that they are mostly over-priced snake oil*, and not marketed my main stream pharmaceutical companies.
*although they do have a powerful placebo effect.

Well might we might ask gregoryq who the deluded one is.

That's easy: Its the Governor General.:p

I am not a Pharmaceutical company employee, nor do I play one on TV. I think that big pharma has a lot to answer for. But not about this.

Finally, if you think that this stuff is curing or otherwise surpressing your cancerous growths then great. Thanks for sharing.

[Ivan in Oz]

Whoopsie,

I was going to mention "DEVIL'S APPLES":eek:
but am having 2nd thoughts:o

NO!!
Not the Russian potatoes and their superstitions:cool:

Who on Earth would lick Willow Bark to get rid on Headaches, is that being silly or what? :confused:

What else is there?
Maybe a cure for.....????????

http://home.it.net.au/~wmbest/mo-month/mom-2-97.htm
http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/11571.cfm?recordid=403

[Greg Q]

Let me be clear on this:

Almost everything that was useful in medicine originally came from a natural source. I have no argument with nature, nor with new ideas.

I mentioned the placebo effect. It is so strong that it must be considered in experiments, and factored out with blind studies. It is real, that's why anecdotal evidence is useless. If I have ruined anybody's placebo effect with this stuff I apologise. I remember reading a study proving that vitamin C doesn't really help with colds, and now all of my colds last longer.:confused:

To demand proof of a claim is the scientific method, and the way actual advances are made, and blind alleys avoided.

With something as important as health care, is a little independant verification too much to ask?

Best,

Greg

[dan_tom]

I would suggest that you seek medical advice (there's a reason why we have to train for so many years...). Or visit the website (or call) your local Cancer Council (non-Government, not for proft charities that are independent in their advice and reputable).

Unproven remedies are just that - unfortunately people prey on vulnerabilities and since cancer has an average survivorship of around 63%, that means "business" to some people. Rigorous research (clinical trials that are randomised control trials - double blind peer reviewed) need to be conducted to make sure these "agents of cure" don't do more harm than good.

If this "cure" was so great - why has it not been published in the Lancet or the New England Medical Journal - where is the international fame and fortune that comes with "cures"?? Why isn't it endorsed by the Cancer Councils, the TGA (therapeutic goods administration that approves all new drugs), the AMA (australian medical association)? You'd think pharm reps would be giving it out to GPs and swinging from the rafters!

My advice - take caution! As a researcher working in oncology, I have heard it all - we get people ringing the Cancer Helpline with cures every day - ranging from ingestion of sea cucumbers to standing on your head for 10 mins each morning whilst smelling lavender. The one that hit the news recently was Dr Holt using microwave therapy to cure cancer - well, after the trial was conducted, his "cure" ended up doing more harm than good (as people abandoned their treatments to undertake microwave therapy instead and are now worse off in their prognosis). Don't get me wrong, I would love a cure for cancer and in fact that's what people like Professor Ian Frazer have done - funded in part by a grant from the QLD Cancer Fund - he has developed a vaccine for cervical cancer. Tried and tested - he's up for a Nobel prize! Now we just have to have treatments for the other 200 or so cancers left...

BTW- you don't need a DRE (digital rectal examination) any more to detect an enlarged prostate! Get a blood test, which checks for PSA (prostate specific antigen) - unless you prefer the latter....

Cheers
Dan

[bitingmidge]

Have a metaphoric greenie from me Dan (I just wasted a real one on some wood stuff you did!)

P
:D

[Greg Q]

Have a real one from me.;)

Is the PSA test now accepted as all that is required? I heard a health minute on ABC radio that suggested the best protection is now a combination of the lab work and the goldfinger routine.

Greg

[Ashore]

There are some natural remidies that do work better than prescribed medicine
For instance huon pine , if you take a piece to the shed and just touch , smell , or shape it, make something from it then it is more calming than taking any amount of valium

Same goes for rosewood , silver oak, cedar, king billy ........

[Greg Q]

Ha! I just saw this from Ashore on my email, and thought he had written "Viagra":p

I agree. Huon is better than Valium. Not so sure about Ibepoken

Greg

[Termite]

. Not so sure about Ibepoken
Well if you don't know who ubepoken then I'm darn sure I dont. :rolleyes:

[Greg Q]

Sorry. I thought that was the generic name for Viagra. No?;)

[Shedhand]

thanks for the info shed hand i go back for a check up in a month or sooner if possible
i have a funny feeling the malignent one is back on my neck again there is a lump forming again were they cut the last out:mad:Good luck with it Farm Boy. Staying positive is half the battle.:o
Cheers

[Shedhand]

There are some natural remidies that do work better than prescribed medicine
For instance huon pine , if you take a piece to the shed and just touch , smell , or shape it, make something from it then it is more calming than taking any amount of valium

Same goes for rosewood , silver oak, cedar, king billy ........A greenie for you mate.

[redwood]

Hello guys
I had a mole growing on my face since i was a teenager and i never worried about it .

greg

Greg great to hear your ok:D personaly iv never been to fussed when iv had a mole on my face;)



You must be kidding???
All the money spent on research by dozens of multi million dollar companys, and all I need are some herbs.

Get real, Wanker.

Al :mad:

Al give me the herb anyday over other stuff;) ;) ;) ;)

[Iain]

I had a melanoma on my arm 20 years ago, it was only small but had it hacked out, it was massive underneath but benign.
As for cancer cures, I think the only one that has been overlooked was the now retired Dr John Holt with his contraversial methods which seem to have worked.
He made no secret of it and appeared to be a credible gentleman who abided by the Hippocratic Oath.

[ozwinner]

My advice - take caution!


3 times a day before a meal.

Al :)

[Termite]

3 times a day before a meal.

Al :)
Just finished my first stubby of "Caution", I only drink it for the vitamin B in the brewers yeast. ;)

[dan_tom]

http://www.prostatehealth.org.au/v3/index.htm

This website will give you all the best prostate advice and more! Depending on a number of factors, (age, family history, previous PSA results etc) depends on whether you personally need a PSA and a DRE.

PS Dr John Holt, whilst a gentleman with the very best of intentions, has undergone a clinical trial to prove his treatment of microwave therapy for cancer and unfortunately, it has been disproven.

In September 2004, the National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) commenced a review of the therapeutic effectiveness and safety of microwave therapy. This investigation, lasting almost a year, was an extensive study of microwave therapy by leading Australian cancer experts.
The investigation comprised four parts:

- A systematic review of scientific literature;
- A national public consultation involving patients, clinicians and other interested parties;
- An audit of Dr Holt’s patient records between 1973 and 2003; and
- A study comparing Dr Holt’s patients with other similar patients treated with conventional therapies.

The results of this investigation have now been released. In brief, the investigation has found there is no evidence Dr Holt’s treatment is superior to conventional cancer treatment. There was also evidence that for many patients, Dr Holt’s treatment was inferior.
Specifically, the report found:
- There is no high-quality published scientific evidence showing therapeutic benefits of Dr Holt’s type of therapy;
- The treatment made no difference to the survival, disease control or quality of life for patients with head and neck, colorectal and bladder cancer;
- The treatment was inferior in disease control and survival for patients with breast cancer, lung cancer, lymphoma and prostate cancer; and
- There was insufficient information to make a reliable assessment of the safety of Dr Holt’s therapy.

If you are interested in more information about the investigation, a detailed report is available at the NHMRC’s website http://nhmrc.gov.au/advice/consumers/microwave.htm


Cheers
Dan

[AlexS]

Thanks Dan & Gregoryq for some sane advice. There are always quacks pushing their natural, herbal, traditional, alternative, whatever remedies to people who are desparate. Why wouldn't these things be put up to be tested rigourously if the makers/sellers have any confidence in them?

If it makes you happy, go and have your placebo, and if it makes you feel better, good for you. But it's irresponsible to rubbish things that have been tested and push something that hasn't.



BTW- you don't need a DRE (digital rectal examination) any more to detect an enlarged prostate! Get a blood test, which checks for PSA (prostate specific antigen) - unless you prefer the latter....

Cheers
Dan

Thanks for that update, Dan:D

[glenmackinnon]

Isn't it amazing that so many people make judicious comments on something they know nothing about and have not personally tried. We can all quote from the internet to back our point of view.
"... it is irresponsible to rubbish things that have been tested and push something that hasn't" . AlexS
It is equally irresponsible to rubbish something that numerous testimonials and statements on websites support. These catagorically state that these products ( andrographis and graviola ) are effective in the treatment of various cancers. I would suggest that people in the research field should take notice of this and conduct some tests instead of dismissing it out of hand. Many things that have been tested and promoted have subsequently been proven to be quite ineffectual and /or sometimes harmful. eg Thalidamide.
Alex, I am not some quack 'pushing' anything. I am simply supporting nomoe's statement that Cansema works. It has for us too. Nor am I trying to convince anyone to abandon standard medical procedures. I am simply saying that if conventional methods do not work, here is something that worked for us and has for many others. I strongly recommend that use of this product be followed up by a checkup by your medical specialist or even with the assistance of your medical specialist if he/she is open minded.
Gregoryq can talk nonsense all he wants about the placebo effect. After all, it is a free country. I assume that I also have the freedom to express an opinion and make a statement that is positive about the effects of this product.
By the way Greg, the North American Indians got this product (graviola -a component of Cansema) the same way they got potatoes, tomatoes, corn (maize), peppers, etc. which all originated in Central and South America - through trade. They were not ignorant savages and they had well established trade routes. Also, the average life span of the Great Lakes(Woodland) Native Americans was 36 to 40.This average includes their high infant mortality rate. How does that compare to Europeans of the day? But what bearing has this in getting "stuff from the Amazon" ?
If you want proof of the effectiveness of Cansema then 1) try it yourself and/or 2) encourage Dan and his mates to research and test it as a possible treatment so that it can be proven or disproven as an effective treatment for some cancers.
What's this bit about sarcasm, Greg! You expect me to give you access
to my personal medical files. Ya, sure mate!
Try reading some of the testimonials, some with actual photos of the process, made by doctors, chiropractors and the general public, that are
available on the web.
You ask if Cansema is free, Greg. No it is not free and not covered my Medicare or any health scheme. It is just a very small fraction of the cost of other options.
The petrie dish analogy? Yes the same can be said about this stuff. Try it on a skin cancer and observe. It will certainly do you no harm and will not effect healthy tissue. It you can surgically remove some cancer cells
from a skin cancer and keep them alive, by all means put them in a petrie dish and try it.
Actually pharmaceutical companies do spend millions on cancer research. Imagine the profits if they could patent and market an effective treatment. There's no great profit in Cansema however. It uses natural ingredients which cannot be patented.
Hope you find this information useful and remember Don't Put It Off!
Get to a medical specialist immediately if there's any change in your skin.
That especially applies to men who are reluctant to go to a doctor until it's too late.

[Greg Q]

You know bud, I was going to give you a long winded reply, and compare your statements to my answers, then compare my degrees in Biology and Chemistry to yours, then ask if you think the Oncology researcher who
replied was also wrong. Oh yeah, I was going to point out that your romantic
ideas of NA native tribal life were a little out of touch with reality. (My wife was an Anthropologist with a background in all of this).

I asked about your medical records in reply to your offering your medical story about your wonderful cure. No, huh? I was being rhetorical.

On the other hand....this is a Sisyphean task, and I don't care anymore.

[dan_tom]

You're making me rather cross with your responses there GlenMackinnon. Yes, Penicillin underwent extensive trials and evaluation - I would advise the same with this "cure". We have many drugs that have been derived from nature, there is no doubt of that, but my point is that they need to prove they work without ripping people off or worse, harming them further. Haven't patients and their families been through enough psychosocial trauma without pinning their hopes on another "cure"?

"It is equally irresponsible to rubbish something that numerous testimonials and statements on websites support." I personally think it is irresponsible to advocate for the use of a product that has not passed stringent clinical tests and evaluation! Put your money where your mouth is and commence a trial of the product's effectiveness. How do you know whether you're advocating for a product that does more harm than good? Will you ever post to this bulletin board apologising for those that you have harmed as well as the testimonials of the cured?

Oncology researchers, like myself, don't go wandering around bumping into the furniture looking for cures - you need to put up a proposal and fund it's evaluation! If you're so confident of it's efficacy, this is the BEST evidence you will get in terms of marketing and "feeling good" that you are curing skin cancers.

"In the orthodox community this question refers to a "longitudinal, peer-reviewed, double-blind study with carefully monitored control groups, using strict statistics measures..." bla, bla, bla, bla. How many have we done? Not a damn one. And we proudly never intend to" - I think you have just shot yourself in the foot with this one!

Your website has a handful of testimonials... your sample size needs to be larger than double figures, needs to include a cross section of society (randomised) and various types of skin cancer. Get real mate! I checked out the website and where are the links to trials and real data? Out of the thousands that have bought and tried your product, how many were cured out of those? I would love to see a cure, but a website that peddles paranoia with quotes from the 50s, 60s and 70s needs to get on with itself..."suppression pages"! Sheesh!

Can I remind you of how much anguish was caused by thalidomide before it the isomer that is beneficial was discovered?

"Pity... On New Year's Day, 2,100 A.D. this product will still not be approved by the FDA." - you said it!!!!

I am referring to "you" in thsi post, I am assuming that you are part of this consortium as well. Apologies if you are not part of the sale or promotion of this product, I just picked up on the personal pronouns you used in reference to the product.

BTW - it's Dan and HER mates.

Maybe just stick to woodworking questions and answers - tell us about how great the Ubeaut products are and which timbers you have been playing with lately.

Cheers
Dan

[dan_tom]

"The following information is based upon the research and opinions of the Dan Raber and others who have worked countless hours researching, experimenting and validating their collective works. (WHERE IS IT PUBLISHED OR BETTER STILL WHY WAS IT NOT ACCEPTED TO BE PUBLISHED?) Dan's knowledge is based on prayer, intuitive genius, hard work, speaking with dedicated researchers, reading successful cancer treatises (i.e. Dr. Beard, and others dedicated researchers in the medical field who have written books and collaborated with dedicated researchers like Dr. William Donald Kelley), and interviewing 1000's of cancer survivors and people who have unsuccessfully treated themselves for cancer with various cancer protocols." (http://www.skincanceranswer.com/)

Dan Raber is the guy that peddles this cure - I think I found the reason for his paranoia- he got busted for practising medicine without a license!

Cheers
Dan

[ozwinner]

I think this speaks for itself, this is from the front page of the website.

These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. The products or information contained on this web site are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.


Al

[Ashore]

It is equally irresponsible to rubbish something that numerous testimonials and statements on websites support.

Try reading some of the testimonials, some with actual photos of the process, made by doctors, chiropractors and the general public, that are
available on the web.


Anyone that tries to push a product by beliving & Quoting "Testermonials" that approve the product is in my opinion either an extreemely gullible person or some one who has something to gain from the sale of the product.

Often these "Testermonials" only ever are pro the product, can be written by anyone who has used the product or not & cannot easily be substanciated by the general public.

This forum for instance shows both sides of the arguement , if you look you will see for and against "Testermonials" for just about every brand of woodworking tool and product. Which is what I believe was the original intent of the forum.

Greg's original post was to warn and remind people of the dangers of un-checked skin cancers, and as most of the members are Australian Males in the skin cancer danger age and it being easier for the aussie male to die than admit something's wrong and go to a doctor or put it off until its too late, the post in promoting awareness of a problem we all know about , ( and if one person went and got tested because of it then it achieved a good result) but glenmackinnon I feer that your posts pushing a product , and the responses they generate will get this thread the SWISH which would be a shame.

[channa]

I was going to just agree with gregoryq, but then I thought you might think we are ganging up on you because of the strong ties between us. Really, we are ganging up on you because we feel a deep distrust of someone who makes statements like:

"It is equally irresponsible to rubbish something that numerous testimonials and statements on websites support" as to "rubbish things that have been tested and push something that hasn't." How can you equate rubbishing information presented on a web page as part of an advertising programme that is only going to publish success stories, with carefully gathered, balanced and tested information that considers both the successes and the failures of a treatment?

And how about the next line:

"...websites support. These catagorically state that these products ( andrographis and graviola ) are effective in the treatment of various cancers. I would suggest that people in the research field should take notice of this and conduct some tests..."
So... the webistes "categorically state" that these treatments are effective... but there isn't any proof. Hence "people in the research field should take notice"? Oh, OK, I can see your logic now :rolleyes: . (Sorry, that was sarcastic).


Gregoryq can talk nonsense all he wants about the placebo effect.
The placebo effect is a real measurable effect. It can be responsible for up to 30% of the positive outcomes of a drug trial. So let's say you are testing a drug on 10 people, maybe 30% of them will have a good result due entirely to placebo, maybe another 30% will have no change and maybe 40% will die. If you were organising a website to promote the product, you wouldn't get a testimonial out of the dead people, and you would likely only publish the testimonials of the people who benefitted from the placebo effect. Proper research would look at the data and would work out whether the overall effect was beneficial or harmful - maybe 40% would have died anyway, so the drug isn't actually harmful, but the only way to know is to look at all of the data, not just the success stories. This is the problem with testimonials on websites, and anecdotal evidence, such as yours.


Actually pharmaceutical companies do spend millions on cancer research. Imagine the profits if they could patent and market an effective treatment. There's no great profit in Cansema however. It uses natural ingredients which cannot be patented.
This is a fatuous statement IMHO, examples of natural remedies that have been used as the basis for current treatments have already been given in this thread. Even if the natural product cannot be patented, the process can be - I'm sure Cansema is patented and trademarked, and I'm equally sure someone is turning a profit from pedalling it. If some of that product was put into reputable research, and it was found to be a useful treatment, there is no reason for it not to be approved by the FDA by the beginning of 2100.

Thanks for the input Dan. I didn't realise this thread had carried on until I connected today.

[glenmackinnon]

I give up! - I begin to see the folly of battling against closed minds.
My only purpose for joining this thread was to defend nomoe and his statement about the positive results he got from using Cansema, and support him in that area since the product has also worked for us.
I gain nothing from supporting the use of Cansema, other than getting rid of our skin cancers (and being ridiculed by other members). I am not a member of any organization or consortium. I do not promote or sell any products. But, I will not apologize to anyone for supporting the use of Cansema. The more observant among you will note that I have continually advocated consultation with medical specialists.
A point I would like to make: both my wife and I grew up and spent more than thirty years of our lives in southern Ontario, near Indian reservations, and gained local knowledge of their ways. Early on we heard of salves and ointments they used to treat cancers, but thankfully we never had to use them until recently (that Aussie sun!)
At the time, being young and indestructable, we paid little attention.
However, we have also been devasted since by the loss of dearly loved ones to this dread disease.
I was preparing numerous responses to this avalanche of negativism
(especially that from self styled experts who spout their own credentials)
when I realized how pointless it was, that I was beating my head against a brick wall.
The term "ganging up" as used by Channa is an appropriate one. It is a technique used by schoolyard bullies who attempt to intimidate others whose opinions and views differ from theirs.
I did not start this slanging match by calling others names, using vulgar terms like "wanker", and making false accusations against others.
I also like Channa"s quote - "Judge not lest ye be judged" though have issues with the rest of the comments.
I am not that insecure that I need to list my university degrees and qualifications to try to impress others or make them feel inferior, and despite the vilification that I am sure will be coming my way, I will not respond to anything more in this thread in the future.
One last website that I am certain many of you will denigrate (I keep hoping there are some open minds out there somewhere):
http://www.newstarget.com/001590.html

A world of caution - Slander is an offense in the eyes of the law. This includes name calling, false accusations and impinging on an individual's character in public. This is a public forum and I agree with Ashore. I would not like to see this thread shut down. Perhaps the rules of the forum should be tightened.

[ozwinner]

using vulgar terms like "wanker", .

Read this. (http://www.abc.net.au/am/stories/s137416.htm)

Al :cool:

[Rocker]

The Mapleton-Maleny area of QLD is rather like the Nimbin area of NSW. It tends to attract people who lean towards an alternative lifestyle. If Glen Mackinnon wants to put his trust in a herbal medicament, which he claims to have cured his cancer, so be it. I am not sure how he knows that the Cansema cured it, as opposed to his undergoing a spontaneous remission. However, I am afraid I could not put much trust in a medicament, whose purveyors are determined not to submit it to scientific appraisal, and who specifically deny on their website that the medicament is claimed to cure any disease.

Rocker

[ozwinner]

Read my Sig.
You WILL be cured...........

Al :p

[channa]

It's working , it's working! Start a new website! Avatar-oma-gone! We guarantee it works, but we don't promise anything!

[Clinton1]

Yes, I agree that perhaps the rules of the forum should be tightened.
For example, if someone swanns in suggesting that a life-threatening medical condition should be treated:

without necessarily having to resort to " better" and "proven" medical solutions,
using a product whose promoters advice to the public is that:

These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. The products or information contained on this web site are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease
and pushed by a promoter whose methodology is:

based on prayer, intuitive genius, hard work, speaking with dedicated researchers, reading successful cancer treatises

then I reckon they should be open to the same rigorous examination that any medical treatment is.

However, if they end up having a bleat about being ganged up on and that the people that disagree with them are vulgar bullies and then warn people that they'd best watch out because of the legal offence of Slander - then I think they should shut up and grow up.

[silentC]

warn people that they'd best watch out because of the legal offence of Slander
I think that got up my nose more than anything else. I don't care what other people do - if it works for them then good. However threatening people with legal action is a cowardly response to a debate in my opinion.

[Clinton1]

Secondly, here's an ancient, indigenous, traditional Australian, and totally unproven skin cancer treatment for you to try.

What you do is sit on the steps out the front of the Surf Life Saving Club, preferably one with the word "Royal" in the name, and you get a Lifesaver to toke up on a big cigar. Ensure that you have a clear view of the surf, allowing the power of the ocean to flow through you. When the coal on the end is cherry red, blow the ash off the end with a breath that is imbued with the power of hops, barley and essence of pig and the renewal symbol - egg; stub it into the cancer and grind it around. With the right technique the cancer region is cooked, not burnt, and then you can peel it off when it scabs up a bit.

Amazingly the cancer is "gone".

You then have some time to get your affairs in order until the left over cancer cells turn malignant and spread throughout your body, eventually causing inoperable and untreatable cancer and death. BUT, there's NO SCAR!

However.... through the power of prayer, intuitive genius, hard work, speaking with dedicated researchers and reading successful cancer treatises (not successful in the way of treating cancer, more the successful in selling lots of copies at the local new-age shop way) you can die knowing, that while your children and family will miss you, that at least those nasty medical multinationals didn't snare you with their lies.

I agree, "wanker" was inappropriate. If you were only peddling this rubbish to yourself it would be appropriate, peddle it to others and a whole new range of words come into play.

Shameful is one word, irresponsible is another.

[Iain]

Morally reprehensible???

[Paper Artist]

Clinton say words of Paper Artist "Stupid idea well implemented more successful than best idea on earth never used". This good saying, shows many brains, Clinton wise to follow. But Paper Artist not remember when gave permission for quote - words copyright! Patent pending! Clinton send money, Paper Artist is happy! Not sue!

Send money for paper boulder. Not cure cancer but Paper Artist not care about problem of other person.

[RufflyRustic]

sheesh, not this old rock again :rolleyes:

[Paper Artist]

sheesh, not this old rock again :rolleyes:
Now only need scissors to play fun game with hands. Paper Artist play this game often. Very good but like extended version better - Rock, Paper, Scissors, Spock, Lizard. More fun! Much laughter!

[keith53]

to play fun game with hands.

Sounds like that's not all you've been playing with:D

[dan_tom]

Let's play a game. :) Let's list in one column how many cures I get told about each day, in another column let's list how much they cost (only include the unproven untested ones, just so we're not biased), how many lives were lost because they delayed or postponed evidence based treatments available, how many of the people promoting these products gain financial reward from peddling them (and quote conspiracy theories if not endorsed by authorities - let me tell you with an ageing population, the Govt would snap up a cure - just in terms of economic evaluation alone - let alone the psychosocial benefits!), then in another column lets put costs of legal action... I could go on.... but even I'm getting bored.:o

Now, today is Thursday - let's list the "cures" for cancer I have heard of JUST THIS WEEK:cool: :
- apricot kernels (dosed up in large enough quantities - ignore the admission to hospital for cyanide poisoning)
- sea cucumbers
- &&&&aki mushrooms
- shark cartilage (sharks don't get cancer, so lets eat sharks)
- drinking chilled cat urine (or dog or any other pet for that matter)
- electrocution :eek:

Please - a cure would be great - if only we could find it, we spend a large chunk of our days dispelling myths and less time supporting those that have cancer and are finding it really hard processing all of the information, the decisions to make along the journey and where they will be at the end of it all.

Maybe the cure is staring us in the face and is out there in nature, flapping in the breeze. Research costs money. Time is money. People with cancer don't have a lot of time and sometimes it is wasted on investing in "cures".

Cheers
Dan

[silentC]

Now, today is Thursday - let's list the "cures" for cancer I have heard of JUST THIS WEEK :
- apricot kernels
If you're in the cancer research biz, I hope you've heard of that one before!!

Interesting story actually. Classic conspiracy theory stuff.

[Clinton1]

Dan,
The urine drinker - did you tell them to up the dose and keep a diary and let you know how it went? IF you need a research subject for this I nominate ...... Ozwinner!

Paper Artist - I am still waiting for my cheque for advertising your art with my on-line presence. Think of it as a meme vector.

[Termite]

Two cases I personally know of:-
Long time friend diagnosed with cancer, "quack" absolutely convinced him that injections of shark cartilage would cure him, 6 months and $5,000.00 later we buried my friend.

A past boss of mine was diagnosed with prostate cancer, and it absolutely terrified him. He read some obviously convincing crap that if he lived only on fresh vegetable juice and fresh fruit juice, it would cure him. Three months later he had dropped from a healthy 81kilos to a scarecrow 59kilos and guess what, he still had prostate cancer along with kidney, liver, stomach, and gastric problems.

IMHO "quacks should be force fed their concoctions and ideas.....preferably analy.

[ozwinner]

IF you need a research subject for this I nominate ...... Ozwinner!

.

Watch it!!
I resemble that remark...

Al :D

[ozwinner]

Morally reprehensible???

Thats that beer you left at my place. :eek:

Al :D

[Greg Q]

Should I bother to weigh in anymore with yet another answer to this fine product from the nonsense factory?

Greg

[Deas Plant]

Hi, Folks.
My first post here so I don't expect it will carry a lot of weight. Be that as it may, I will go ahead and say what I have to say.

Gregoryq, before you start in with name calling and ridiculing, may I suggest that you take the time to do a little research. Cansema has worked for me and for several others that I know of. In fact, it was recommended to me by 3 people who knew of my skin cancer and who had used it succesfully themselves. My skin specialist was absolutely staggered by the change in my skin cancer and now wants to know more about it.

Dan_tom, PLEASE read the above and then add this following to your COMPULSORY reading. Your information about the PSA test is at best incomplete and at worst plain damned dangerous. The PSA blood test and the digi-rectal examination between them can at best detect ONLY about 75-80% of prostate cancers, Trans-urethral endoscopic examinations will help in detecting or confirming but again are NOT totally positive. The ONLY sure way is open a bloke up and visually examine the prostate AND take a biopsy - or 3. Are you going to volunteer for that?

There are NO 100% guaranteed cures for any cancers but Cansema does a LOT better than most I have come across for pretty much all types of skin cancers. As mentioned above, the results of me using it on my skin cancer have certainly got my skin specialist's attention.

Just my 0.02 cents.

[DavidG]

Deas Plant

It may pay to look at the date of the last post before you reply to a thread.
This discussion was in Jan 2006.

ps Welcome to the board.

[Burnsy]

Hi, Folks.
My first post here so I don't expect it will carry a lot of weight. Be that as it may, I will go ahead and say what I have to say.



Welcome and don't wory about it being your first post, many first posters have alot to offer. You have however dredged up a thread that is nearly 3 years old, that could effect the weight of your argument:D

[Greg Q]

Hi, Folks.
1. My first post here so I don't expect it will carry a lot of weight....

2. Gregoryq, before you start in with name calling and ridiculing, may I suggest that you take the time to do a little research.. ..

3. Cansema has worked for me and for several others that I know of.

4. Dan_tom, PLEASE read the above and then add this following to your COMPULSORY reading.

5. Your information about the PSA test is at best incomplete and at worst plain damned dangerous.

6. The ONLY sure way is open a bloke up and visually examine the prostate AND take a biopsy - or 3. Are you going to volunteer for that?


Just my 0.02 cents.


My replies to your points:

1. Yes.

2.Ridicule and name calling are only two of the many services which I offer. Sarcasm too which you failed to mention. It's the method of choice when dealing with aggressive ignorance.

3. Did you mention research? Do you have any idea that research looks beyond the merely anecdotal? Sneak into a university library someday and have a look at the abstracts to see what research entails. Then do a maths course in statistics for biologists.

4.I don't think Doctor Tom has to take compulsory reading lists from anyone. Me either.

5. And also three years old.

6. I don't think that she is so equipped.

Thanks for reincarnating this old thing-I forgot how much fun it was. good luck with your illness.

[Deas Plant]

Hi, Folks.
I know the thread has not been active for quite some time. I posted my bit here because of earlier comments that I know to be inaccurate in the hope that it may help somebody who has need of the 'good oil', so to speak.

You might be surprised to know that this thread came up for me on a Google search for information about Cansema. Prior to that search, I did not even know that this forum existed. Suppose somebody had read through this thread and accepted the put-downs from Gregoryq, Dan-tom and Arron and dismissed Cansema on the basis of those ill-informed comments.

I don't care if one of the above commenters is involved in cancer research. That fact does not make him the sole repository of reliable information about what might or might not be an effective cure for any form of cancer. In fact. two trained doctors, a GP and a trained skin cancer specialist, told me that there was nothing they could for my particular cancer until it scabbed over. For two years, until I got hold of some Cansema, it never scabbed over. Now, I have a hole in my nose requiring plastic surgery because two doctors could not or would not tell me about a product that could and did kill off that cancer.

I don't care if this statement offends some tender sensibilities. I'm going to say it anyway. I do NOT have a lot of respect for large lumps of the medical profession in this country, my current skin specialist excepted, and even less for the major drug companies. The people in the medical profession for whom I have the greatest respect are the nurses. Gudunya, Ladies - and the odd male nurse too.

[silentC]

If it already worked for you, why were you googling it?

[Deas Plant]

HI, SilentC,
When my current skin specialist saw the results me of using cansema on my skin cancers, he wanted more information. So, being the helpful soul that I am, I volunteered to find more information for him, including the web site address of the Australian-based supplier from whom I purchased my supply as I had ordered mine over the phone. That was when I came across this forum - and the 'great debate'.

Hope this answers your question.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

[silentC]

Are you sure you want to trust your life to a 'specialist' who relies on his or her patients to do their research for them?

[Deas Plant]

Hi, SilentC.
I did my own research on Cansema before I went to this specialist. However, the product didn't arrive until he had seen the cancer at its worst. I used the Cansema and it appears to have killed the cancer as there is no surface sign of it now and it was a supperating sore about the size of my little fingernail previously. It has eaten quite a hole in the side of my nose but that hole has healed over at the edges and now looks quite healthy if a little damaged. When my specialist saw this he wanted to know more about it. I have given him what information I have but, knowing the bloke, I suspect that that won't be enough for him. He will go do some hunting for information on his own bat and he will make up his own mind about it.

He is not currently allowed to prescribe it as it is not approved by the TGA for use on humans here in Australia but I doubt that will deter him from becoming better informed about it. I also suspect that if he thinks it is 'the goods', he will even begin pushing for its acceptance for use with humans. Currently, our animals have access to better skin cancer treatments that we humans do, at least IMHO.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

[Shedhand]

Somewhere in this thread someone mentioned 'digi-rectal examination for Prostate. I had a pelvic ultrasound and it came back negative. No rectal invasion for me....I was told the D-R examination was cheaper.
Just my tuppence worth. Anyway, if you're over 50 have one or t'other before its too late.:2tsup:

[jimbur]

Anyway, if you're over 50 have one or t'other before its too late.:2tsup:[/quote]

Go for it. It's a relief when it's over :D Doubt if the doctor enjoys doing it either.
Jim

[pitbull]

3 posters proclaiming the virtues of Cansema.
3 posters from Queensland.
Mmmmm! :wtf3:

[Habana]

Gregoryq

You need to be more open minded. Instead of spruiking your norrow-minded views on this forum you should do a little research and find out if Cansema is a product that is useful for resolving skin cancer with some people. I have a number of family members who have used this product and the resuolts have been very positive. Unfortunately, your opinion is similar to the majority or our medical practitioners........ narrow minded and fearful of alternative medicine. Spend a little time researching instead of making a fool of yourself. Skin cancer sufferers, try Cansema, if it works for you great, if not, try something else

[Big Shed]

OK, let's put this one to bed gentlemen, getting a little personal here and such an old thread too.