Challenge 2020 - 2021 Simplicity

[Simplicity]

GAME ON...[emoji1782]

Not sure what type of plane I will be entering, as there are a few in my plane making Bucket List!!.

But , it will a metal bodied one.

I will post as soon as my brain has worked out some design briefs [emoji3064].

I hope this encourages a lot more to get out into the sheds ,workshops ,creative zones and have a go at it.


Cheers Matt.

[Simplicity]

Some pencil fell on the paper today!
So , I’m thinking about doing a smoother around 10 inches long (Because the judges would prefer ,I talk in old English).

By about 2/ 1/2 inches wide.

I can’t do-imperial stuff anymore,hurts my head(Hope I don’t loose points).

Sole will be 250 mm long by 64mm ish wide.
Sole thickness will about 5.6 mm after lapping it in.
I think coming from a 6 mm piece of steel plate

Sides will be 5 mm brass plate.
Dovetail construction, because I enjoy the pain[emoji3064].

Plane iron will be a 5 mm ,01 Tool steel at a standard pitch (45 degrees) bevel down.
Held in place with a cap iron.

Still working on a side profile.
Still haven’t decided what timber to use to stuff it with.


Cheers Matt.
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[Mountain Ash]

Hi Matt. Found some more timbers in my pile. Making a mallet out of redgum (stump from under a deck that's been seasoning forever) and will have some leftovers. Or some Jarrah (I think) stair treads that make strong chisel handles. Even a bit of spotted gum.

[Simplicity]

Hi Matt. Found some more timbers in my pile. Making a mallet out of redgum (stump from under a deck that's been seasoning forever) and will have some leftovers. Or some Jarrah (I think) stair treads that make strong chisel handles. Even a bit of spotted gum.

Do these Timber stacks grow their own timber?.


M,A Still not sure what I want to use timber wise.
Hopefully I’m allowed to go back to Ballarat in the near future and I’ll be able to check out my own timber stock.

Cheers Matt

[Mountain Ash]

Sometimes it feels that way :rolleyes:. Maybe it's a sign I might have too many bits, if I don't know where they all are. Feeling for you cut off from your workshop, even if I dont have work ATM I do still have my tools

[Simplicity]

I’ve been a little preoccupied with finishing my second Metal body plane,will post some pics on that later in its own thread.
Reason being I’m desperate to start my Competition Plane.
So far I’ve done lots of thinking,an some sketching,
So basically stuff all lol.
Also my forced holiday as been cut short, I’m back on the tools tomorrow for a few days, that means no play time either.

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This were I’m up to so far,with the madness, I’m not 100 percent shore yet.

Cheers Matt.







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[Cklett]

Looking forward to see the other plane.

What is your thinking on this one? I see you are thinking of an open tote.

The blade shows no cap iron. Are you going for a single blade with typical 45 degree bed angle?



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[Simplicity]

Looking forward to see the other plane.

What is your thinking on this one? I see you are thinking of an open tote.

The blade shows no cap iron. Are you going for a single blade with typical 45 degree bed angle?



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Sorry yes, single blade, lever cap, beaded at 45 degrees.
I am at this stage thinking of a open Tote, but not 100 percent on that.

The sole will be about 5mm steel plate,and 5 mm brass sides dovetail construction.

Still can’t decide what type of wood to use either:(.

I’m also not sure on the length at this stage,I’m sure the Judges will be impressed if I make it longer lol.

Cheers Matt.

[Mountain Ash]

Thanks Matt, I'll remember that tip as I set out my dimensions :D

[Ironwood]

I’m also not sure on the length at this stage,I’m sure the Judges will be impressed if I make it longer lol.

Cheers Matt.
Ahhh, yes, extra length always makes a good impression :q
Is anyone making a jointer ? :cool:

[Simplicity]

It would seem in this instance,yes size “may “ swing the the Judges vote,

This also has not been “ fact checked by me either”

So could possibly be miss leading.

Cheers Matt.
I might just had 20 mm for hell of it.:)

[Cklett]

Just make sure your smoother doesn't turn into a jointer.
Is there anything in the rules what happens if the planes starts of as one type, but ends up to be a completely different one?....

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[Simplicity]

Just make sure your smoother doesn't turn into a jointer.
Is there anything in the rules what happens if the planes starts of as one type, but ends up to be a completely different one?....

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Na
Nothing like that in the rules as far as I know.

Just more of a idea developing !!!

Cheers Matt.

[Bushmiller]

Ahhh, yes, extra length always makes a good impression :q
Is anyone making a jointer ? :cool:

That depends on what point a try plane becomes a jointer.

:?

Regards
Paul

[hiroller]

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Matt, I've been quietly sitting on the sidelines, reading the threads, taking it all in - but i'm worried that your plane handle is just a bit too out there.
Normally a plane handle has to bend forwards so there is a component of force downwards but your handle would tend to lift the plane off the wood.

Here is the angle on a standard handle:
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Of course you might be doing this as a dastardly plan to encourage others to do the same, while you secretly build a handle the correct way.

[Simplicity]

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Matt, I've been quietly sitting on the sidelines, reading the threads, taking it all in - but i'm worried that your plane handle is just a bit too out there.
Normally a plane handle has to bend forwards so there is a component of force downwards but your handle would tend to lift the plane off the wood.

Here is the angle on a standard handle:
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Of course you might be doing this as a dastardly plan to encourage others to do the same, while you secretly build a handle the correct way.

Thanks Hiroller
That’s a very good point,
Unfortunately, as much as I would like to think I had come up with a dastardly plan to throw the competition off.
It’s just a crap drawing just a loose sketch,
Funny enough my father in law as a plane in his shed unfortunately he can’t remember we’re it is,
As I had asked him the other day,
So I could copy the tote !!!


Cheers Matt.

[Simplicity]

It has begun !!

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Cheers Matt,

[Bushmiller]

Matt

Could you draw an arrow to indicate where the start is please?

Regards
Paul

[Simplicity]

Matt

Could you draw an arrow to indicate where the start is please?

Regards
Paul

I don’t think that would help !!!

[Bushmiller]

I don’t think that would help !!!

:D:D

Regards
Paul

[Chief Tiff]

I dunno; I feel there's something slightly furtive about using hand power tools to make a hand powered tool. Perhaps you should disguise any future angle grinder evidence with some hastily applied hacksaw marks?

:D

[Simplicity]

I dunno; I feel there's something slightly furtive about using hand power tools to make a hand powered tool. Perhaps you should disguise any future angle grinder evidence with some hastily applied hacksaw marks?

:D

The irony it hurts it hurts.

Cheers Matt.

[Chief Tiff]

I'm sure a man of your mettle will be able to steel yourself in preparation for the task.

[Simplicity]

Spent some more time in the Tablecloth Design studio early this evening.

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I think I’m getting close to something I like,this latest one is taking some design clues from Norris planes.
Hopefully the judges will note my head tipping to days of old, yet moving forward with some swoopy lines.

Ps : I hate using crappy pencils.

Cheers Matt.

[Simplicity]

So this afternoon the design team(Me myself and I)
Progressed from a 2D table cloth design,
To a full 3D MDF Representing in-covering all the artists design requirements, yet still holding on to its MDF heritage.

I may review the centre hump location,that will hold the pin location for the Lever Cap and move that forward approximately 10.33789 mm.


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Cheers Matt.

[Ironwood]

So this afternoon the design team(Me myself and I)
Progressed from a 2D table cloth design,
To a full 3D MDF Representing in-covering all the artists design requirements, yet still holding on to its MDF heritage.

I may review the centre hump location,that will hold the pin location for the Lever Cap and move that forward approximately 10.33789 mm.


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Cheers Matt.
I think you are on a winner there Matt. This is good enough for your final entry, just have to cut a slot to poke the blade through, I am sure it will meet the requirements easily to produce some pine curlies. :D

[Simplicity]

I think you are on a winner there Matt. This is good enough for your final entry, just have to cut a slot to poke the blade through, I am sure it will meet the requirements easily to produce some pine curlies. :D

Do you reckon I should paint it, or leave it raw and tuff?. :)

Cheers Matt.

[Chief Tiff]

Do you reckon I should paint it, or leave it raw and tuff?

Have you considered a tactile waxoil finish? I believe Doug let slip his secret recipe in the Friday Lunch Prattle :wink:

[Simplicity]

Have you considered a tactile waxoil finish? I believe Doug let slip his secret recipe in the Friday Lunch Prattle :wink:

Chief,
That could be a winner,
I wonder what the Fine gentleman we have as judges would think.

Cheers Matt.

[Bushmiller]

Chief,
That could be a winner,
I wonder what the Fine gentleman we have as judges would think.

Cheers Matt.

Matt

I don't think the "Fine Gentlemen Judges" will give a jurisdictional toss where we heard the secret recipe!

:wink:

Regards
Paul

[Simplicity]

Matt

I don't think the "Fine Gentlemen Judges" will give a jurisdictional toss where we heard the secret recipe!

:wink:

Regards
Paul

You reckon I just go back too call them “Judges” and stop trying to suck up,it would save some keyboard taps !!!

Cheers Matt.

[Ironwood]

Do you reckon I should paint it, or leave it raw and tuff?. :)

Cheers Matt.
Yeah, I wouldn’t go painting it. I think alternating coats of Nugget boot polish and the secret sauce wax should build up to a nice patinated finish, that will look better than aged brass. I think this will really impress the judges :wink:

[Bushmiller]

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Cheers Matt.


Aaaaaargh!

First it was finely detailed drawings some of which have been ingeniously contrived on a computer using some technology I can only guess at. Then there was unbridled bribery and corruption on a scale unseen since the last election and the "sports rorts' and now we are producing full scale mock ups that would have the besmirched car industries of the world drooling into their sump pans.

I ask you what chance does a plain maker stand? What happened to improvisation and cobbling up a functional but perfectly ugly device complete with warts from all the mistakes. Any how, got to go now and put a few more threads on my screws.

Regards
Paul

Regards
Paul

[Simplicity]

Aaaaaargh!

First it was finely detailed drawings some of which have been ingeniously contrived on a computer using some technology I can only guess at. Then there was unbridled bribery and corruption on a scale unseen since the last election and the "sports rorts' and now we are producing full scale mock ups that would have the besmirched car industries of the world drooling into their sump pans.

I ask you what chance does a plain maker stand? What happened to improvisation and cobbling up a functional but perfectly ugly device complete with warts from all the mistakes. Any how, got to go now and put a few more threads on my screws.

Regards
Paul

Regards
Paul

Paul that was plain cracking funny,

Cheers Matt.
I would make a comment about you the your screw, but maybe not.:)

[Simplicity]

Some drawing curves,cutting ,nailing, (probably a dirty word hear).

So ,after a massive brain sleeping session last night!
The central hump area has been moved forward by approximately 22.98256 mm, at first it was moved just a bees ,you know what over 10 mm.
This was deemed to be playing it to safe,
So ,throwing all caution to the wind we moved the centre hump forward in total a whopping 22.98256 mm

Giving more room for the tote,and more room around the Cap Iron pivot axel.

All positive thoughts welcomed.

Cheers Matt

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[Ironwood]

Some drawing curves,cutting ,nailing, (probably a dirty word hear).

So ,after a massive brain sleeping session last night!
The central hump area has been moved forward by approximately 22.98256 mm, at first it was moved just a bees ,you know what over 10 mm.
This was deemed to be playing it to safe,
So ,throwing all caution to the wind we moved the centre hump forward in total a whopping 22.98256 mm

Giving more room for the tote,and more room around the Cap Iron pivot axel.

All positive thoughts welcomed.

Cheers Matt

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very nice Matt, it’s got more curves than Elle Macferson, and sleeker.

[Bushmiller]

Matt

Looking good (the plane) for a bit of ply that is. Continuing Brad's analogy perhaps your plane should be called "The body."

:)

Regards
Paul

[Simplicity]

Matt

Looking good (the plane) for a bit of ply that is. Continuing Brad's analogy perhaps your plane should be called "The body."

:)

Regards
Paul

I like that name,

“The Body”am I aloud to use that, being an atheist ???

Don’t won’t to upset the pope guy.

Cheers Matt.

[Ironwood]

I like that name,

“The Body”am I aloud to use that, being an atheist ???

Don’t won’t to upset the pope guy.

Cheers Matt.
I’m sure you will be forgiven...............in time .
I think Pope used to make planes, so he will understand :;

[Oldgreybeard]

I am not sure that anyone would ever call Elle "plane":D

[Bushmiller]

I am not sure that anyone would ever call Elle "plane":D

And not a flat sole either.

:wink:

Regards
Paul

[Simplicity]

Well, I’ve fined tuned my design in, created my last template,(famous last words) this template I will use to make a 18 mm pine template using my Trim Router to use as a filling guide to file the brass square with.
I also spent approximately 47 seconds creating a high tech curve thingy out of a orange juice container,that I used to check the template, and will also use to check the curves are correct on the brass.

And last job for today , was to give the brass sheet a quick rub over with some 600 wet and dry paper.
To check that were I intend to cut my sides from was defect free, and know huge scratches that I would need to spend a life time sanding out down the road a bit.

Cheers Matt.
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Ps : Anyone have advice on how to approach a 90 year old male, an tell him to clean is workshop up?.

[banjopicks]

Another infill attempt, yay! I'm going to learn so much from this challenge.

[Bushmiller]

Ps : Anyone have advice on how to approach a 90 year old male, an tell him to clean is workshop up?.

Same was as the echidnas mate.....Very carefully!

Regards
Paul

[Cklett]

Well, I’ve fined tuned my design in, created my last template,(famous last words) this template I will use to make a 18 mm pine template using my Trim Router to use as a filling guide to file the brass square with.
I also spent approximately 47 seconds creating a high tech curve thingy out of a orange juice container,that I used to check the template, and will also use to check the curves are correct on the brass.

And last job for today , was to give the brass sheet a quick rub over with some 600 wet and dry paper.
To check that were I intend to cut my sides from was defect free, and know huge scratches that I would need to spend a life time sanding out down the road a bit.

Cheers Matt.
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Ps : Anyone have advice on how to approach a 90 year old male, an tell him to clean is workshop up?.If my kids would ask me that when I am 90 I would just say the mess is my legacy to them. So that they think of me when they have to clear it up when I am gone [emoji12][emoji16]

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[Simplicity]

Some cutting, some filling, some thinking, well actually , some sitting down to think, then realising it’s not always my best attribute, so I went back to filling and sanding , I’m happy doing them mostly.

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Cheers Matt.

[Aussiephil]

so pretty.... so lost for words at all the curvy lines

[Simplicity]

so pretty.... so lost for words at all the curvy lines

Thanks Phil,
Two little spots on the curves need some fine tweaking, if you hold the side up to a piece of white paper,you can just make out a couple of areas that need 1/2 mm or so taken off.

Cheers Matt.

[hiroller]

I see you upgraded from MDF to plywood, are you sure you aren't revealing your true hand too early?

[Simplicity]

I see you upgraded from MDF to plywood, are you sure you aren't revealing your true hand too early?

Immmmm sorry mate,
No plywood was harmed into days episode,
It might be the camera angle, but it’s just your garden variety standard piney stuff.

Cheers Matt.

[Bushmiller]

Just as a small aside, I have not found ply very suitable for templates as the opposing grain directions can make a clean edge problematical. I prefer MDF and if moisture is an issue get the HMR stuff. One ply that is suitable is the plastic coated form ply, but that is normally too thick for templates even in the thinner 12mm versions.

Regards
Paul

[doug3030]

Just as a small aside, I have not found ply very suitable for templates as the opposing grain directions can make a clean edge problematical. I prefer MDF and if moisture is an issue get the HMR stuff. One ply that is suitable is the plastic coated form ply, but that is normally too thick for templates even in the thinner 12mm versions.

Why not use perspex for templates?

[Bushmiller]

Why not use perspex for templates?

Doug

Mmmm. No reason why. I think I have tended to go with the cheapest material that works and that is often what is lying around. I have not really looked into clear perspex but I think it would be quite a bit more expensive.

Regards
Paul

[Oldgreybeard]

Doug

Mmmm. No reason why. I think I have tended to go with the cheapest material that works and that is often what is lying around. I have not really looked into clear perspex but I think it would be quite a bit more expensive.

Regards
Paul

If there is a signwriter nearby who makes illuminated signs, they frequently have small off-cuts of clear acrylic which I have used for templates.

[doug3030]

If there is a signwriter nearby who makes illuminated signs, they frequently have small off-cuts of clear acrylic which I have used for templates.

I got a lot of perspex offcuts a few years back which originated from a business which did window displays for retail. Mostly clear perspex but also a lot of coloured. I have used a lot of the clear for templates for various purposes.

It is easy to shape, durable and for many of the purposes you use templates for, most importantly it is transparent. Put a transparent saw handle template over your blank and you can see the grain and any defects that would be included in the handle. That also helps for template routing.

I have perspex in thicknesses from 3 mm to 25 mm, naturally the thicker stuff would be used for things other than templates. Many of these so-called "offcuts" are quite large.

Paul mentioned the cost of perspex when I suggested it. My supply was cheap. Others may have to factor cost into their choice of template material a bit differently to me. All mine is already paid for a long time ago and just sitting there waiting to be used.

[Simplicity]

Being one who is easily lead,and being told,that in some cases in life size does matter.

I’ve increased the sole of my plane to a now a staggering 310 mm ish.

This is because I wanted to add yet more curves to the “Body” ,also considering we are being Judged by a group of Male only judges all over 45 of age, who may appreciate a Curve or two.

So , I’m not sure now where I stand, am I still doing a smoother or have I jumped up to be with the big kids and am I building a Jointer now .
Or am I just the In between kid at school, you know the weird one.

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I’m also working on the mouth, not mine I don’t swear that much on here,but I’m keeping that top secret till I know what I’m doing:).

Cheers Matt.

[Simplicity]

Two sides top profiling complete Nearly.

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Cheers Matt.

[IanW]

Matt, in between smoother & a try plane (or jointer if you will) is a "panel plane" in infill-speak.

So you're now making a panel plane...
:D

[Simplicity]

Matt, in between smoother & a try plane (or jointer if you will) is a "panel plane" in infill-speak.

So you're now making a panel plane...
:D

Ian,
Speak up, you know I’m deaf,
Hope you didn’t say I’m making a plain plane.
It’s got curves !!!!:)

Cheers Matt.

[banjopicks]

I have another language to learn? I was just getting used to Australian i think. Crikey mate, pass the Jara.

[Simplicity]

I have another language to learn? I was just getting used to Australian i think. Crikey mate, pass the Jara.

Australian is very easy to learn,
Just shorten everything lol.

Cheers Matt.

[Colin62]

Australian is very easy to learn,
Just shorten everything lol.

Cheers Matt.
And stick an O on the end.

[banjopicks]

Examples please, I really want learn your language.:rolleyes:

[Sheets]

If you check YouTube, there are a few vids by learned fellows who are able to explain "Stroin" - watch enough and you can get a University credit:cool:.

[Simplicity]

Well recently there was some confusion regarding actually what sort of plane I was making,
Ian politely suggest I was doing a Panel plane.
I spent 4.6 seconds on google,
Couldn’t find a Panel plane.
I did find this tho !

Jack plane - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_plane?wprov=sfti1)

But I don’t know who this bloody Jack is,an he certainly is not building my Plane.

So my plane is a Matthew plane,
Tho you have my permission to abbreviate that too Matt.
Or if you find it easier just call it the “The Body”

Cheers Matt.

[Bushmiller]

Well recently there was some confusion regarding actually what sort of plane I was making,
Ian politely suggest I was doing a Panel plane.
I spent 4.6 seconds on google,
Couldn’t find a Panel plane.
I did find this tho !

Jack plane - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_plane?wprov=sfti1)

But I don’t know who this bloody Jack is,an he certainly is not building my Plane.

So my plane is a Matthew plane,
Tho you have my permission to abbreviate that too Matt.
Or if you find it easier just call it the “The Body”

Cheers Matt.

So it's a "Body" plane (I would like to claim some credit for influencing the nomenclature with my sculptural plane and have that in reserve with the judges if my offering flops) with a matt finish. Doesn't sound very flashy to me. :(

:D

Regards
Paul

[Simplicity]

So it's a "Body" plane (I would like to claim some credit for influencing the nomenclature with my sculptural plane and have that in reserve with the judges if my offering flops) with a matt finish. Doesn't sound very flashy to me. :(

:D

Regards
Paul

Putting a few irons in the fire literally Paul.:)

Cheers Matt.

[IanW]

......I spent 4.6 seconds on google,
Couldn’t find a Panel plane....

That's odd, Google mustn't like you, Matt - it took me 0.47 seconds (according to Google's timer) to find a panel plane (https://user.xmission.com/~jry/ww/tools/jy-panel/jy-panel.html).

But what's in a name? It's your plane so you can call it whatever you like, matt is as good as jack who's as good as his master.....
:U
Cheers,

[Simplicity]

That's odd, Google mustn't like you, Matt - it took me 0.47 seconds (according to Google's timer) to find a panel plane (https://user.xmission.com/~jry/ww/tools/jy-panel/jy-panel.html).

But what's in a name? It's your plane so you can call it whatever you like, matt is as good as jack who's as good as his master.....
:U
Cheers,

Show off

Cheers Matt.

[Simplicity]

For those interested !!!!
The article in post 68 that Ian posted,is very good, especially for those building metal Bodied planes.


Cheers Matt

[IanW]

For those interested !!!!
The article in post 68 that Ian posted,is very good, especially for those building metal Bodied planes....

'Tis! Wish I'd had it when I started making my first mnetal-bodied plane. I started long before that was posted, but it was up long before I finished! :C

Note that in that article, he is using the "notched" style for clamping his dovetails (apparently favoured by Mathieson). This is fine & good for joining the same two metals, you won't see anything when it's all cleaned up after peening. But if you are joining brass sides to a steel sole, it would result in funny little pimples in the corners of your dovetails. It's better in this case to put a small chamfer along the entire side of the brass dovetail & pound the steel over that. When the excess is filed away, you should be left with neat, straight sides on the D/Ts.

Did you notice the number of mis-hits he's made?! I think part of his problem was trying to work around all those clamps. I started out using too many clamps on my first couple of planes, partly because I wanted to be absolutely sure nothing would move, but mainly because I didn't take enough care in getting the tails & pins to fit tightly against each other. The better you get that fit, the easier it is to peen it all up nicely. If you have big gaps or are trying to force things together that don't want to sit quite flush against each other, it's a much more difficult job all-round, so take your time & file very carefully to your layout lines. Time spent at this stage saves time peening and results in a vastly better job!

Cheers,

[Simplicity]

'Tis! Wish I'd had it when I started making my first mnetal-bodied plane. I started long before that was posted, but it was up long before I finished! :C

Note that in that article, he is using the "notched" style for clamping his dovetails (apparently favoured by Mathieson). This is fine & good for joining the same two metals, you won't see anything when it's all cleaned up after peening. But if you are joining brass sides to a steel sole, it would result in funny little pimples in the corners of your dovetails. It's better in this case to put a small chamfer along the entire side of the brass dovetail & pound the steel over that. When the excess is filed away, you should be left with neat, straight sides on the D/Ts.

Did you notice the number of mis-hits he's made?! I think part of his problem was trying to work around all those clamps. I started out using too many clamps on my first couple of planes, partly because I wanted to be absolutely sure nothing would move, but mainly because I didn't take enough care in getting the tails & pins to fit tightly against each other. The better you get that fit, the easier it is to peen it all up nicely. If you have big gaps or are trying to force things together that don't want to sit quite flush against each other, it's a much more difficult job all-round, so take your time & file very carefully to your layout lines. Time spent at this stage saves time peening and results in a vastly better job!

Cheers,

Yes I noticed he was more like lighting never hitting the same spot twice.:)
But I think your right Ian working around all those clamps wow that would be difficult.

I’m really reluctant to be giving advice here, because I’m a newb,
But I actually didn’t find the peening that difficult in my first two plane builds!.
The other stuff yes, but the peening no.


The links in the article may offer some “better” advice.

Cheers Matt.

[Simplicity]

I’m quite pleased with my effort today on the “Body”

I achieved nothing, so that’s a win, I could have gone backwards, but know I’m still pushing hard forward.
But my straight Edge did arrive thank You Amazon.

As for Australia post you promised me,on my Australia post app my 01 Tool steel would be here!!! and it’s not ,liars.

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Nice Tablecloth that one.
Cheers Matt.

[IanW]

...... I actually didn’t find the peening that difficult in my first two plane builds!.
The other stuff yes, but the peening no.....

Given your past life, I would have been very surprised if you did! :U

But it is a warning to those who haven't had any prior experience at hammering metal. In my "manual' I advise newcomers to peening to start holding the hammer 50-60mm from the head (the opposite of what you have always been told). That serves two purposes, it helps you strike accurately, and the blows are less likely to be too hard. The 'secret' with peening is to hit just hard enough to make a small ding.

There will always be a few mis-hits, but as long as they aren't direct, savage blows, the small ding in the wrong place should file & sand out at clean-up time.

Most people find the knack develops pretty quickly, and once you get into the rhythm, there's a calm zen feeling that develops as you watch the metal slowly responding to your will. It's a very good idea to have a practice run & make a few joints from scrap before taking the hammer to the real thing....
:;
Cheers,

[Simplicity]

Today was more filling,
Well actually it was cutting hacking and then filling and filling and filling,
Plus lunch and coffee and slacking off :).
Problem is as I write this I’m having some Déjà vu.

So tails have been ruff cut in the sides,this was done while the two sides were together.

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I may need to tweak them once I’ve got my soul worked out, sorry i mean the base of the plane :).

Pretty happy with spacing tho,
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Cheers Matt.

[Cklett]

And you are the one saying that I am getting on with the task. I think you are much closer to a plane than I am.

I have not even started in the body yet.

That looks good by the way. Now I am impresses too.

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[Simplicity]

And you are the one saying that I am getting on with the task. I think you are much closer to a plane than I am.

I have not even started in the body yet.

That looks good by the way. Now I am impresses too.

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Cklett,

Don’t fear, I’ve still got a long road ahead of me,
I haven’t even got the steel for my sole yet :)

Cheers Matt.

[doug3030]

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Is that a new experimental frog design? Let me know how it goes. I have a couple of things that look like that which I use with my milling machine. Might save me some time if it works. :2tsup:

[Simplicity]

Is that a new experimental frog design? Let me know how it goes. I have a couple of things that look like that which I use with my milling machine. Might save me some time if it works. :2tsup:

I kept you posted Doug:))).

Cheers Matt.
I think there called paper weights not sure?.

[IanW]

Matt, you have a bit of metal-dovetailing experience under your belt now, plus far more metal-bashing experience than most of us, so you'll probably manage just fine, but I feel obliged to warn others that a swooping rear on the sides (it looks like it goes down to not much more than 10mm above the sole at the deep part of the curve), might cause some bother during peen-up. Peening can put a lot of tension on the sides & they may want to distort a bit at the shallow points.

Shallow sections also cause bother if you are making curved sides, the metal likes to kink at the shallow parts instead of makng a nice, clean curve. For that reason, Bill carter advises forming the curve before cutting out the side shape. It makes the bending easier & less fraught, but it sure makes cutting out the shape and dovetails a lot fussier, so it's swings & roundabouts.

Complex curves on the top of the sides can give you a real challenge when fitting the rear woodwork if you plan to over-stuff. I've had more than enough trouble getting a single curve to match neatly on most of the planes I've over-stuffed he woodwork on. Choice of wood helps - don't choose a mongrel, hard, splitty wood like I did for a smoother I made earlier this year, it nearly defeated me, but I managed to get it to fit with just one tiny gap at one point after endless hours of paring & testing.

I used some Ebony scraps for this little palm plane I (almost) finished last week, and it was a delight to work with, by comparison. I think I got the closest fit of any plane I've made so far.481731

It's not quite finished, I want to round the rear bun a bit more, so please excuse the file marks on the top edge of the bun. I was trying out some 4mm stainless steel I bought on ebay for the sole, to see how it works. Not quite as easy to peen as mild steel, but it was easy enough, & it didn't work-harden as I feared it might - some stainless steels work-harden very easily. (I think it's 304, but not 100% sure, the site I bought it from was a bit vague on that point). It was a bit more savage on saw-blades though, the blades only cut well for about 75% of the distance they'll cut in mild steel...

So, on with the show.....
:)
Cheers,

[Simplicity]

Matt, you have a bit of metal-dovetailing experience under your belt now, plus far more metal-bashing experience than most of us, so you'll probably manage just fine, but I feel obliged to warn others that a swooping rear on the sides (it looks like it goes down to not much more than 10mm above the sole at the deep part of the curve), might cause some bother during peen-up. Peening can put a lot of tension on the sides & they may want to distort a bit at the shallow points.

Shallow sections also cause bother if you are making curved sides, the metal likes to kink at the shallow parts instead of makng a nice, clean curve. For that reason, Bill carter advises forming the curve before cutting out the side shape. It makes the bending easier & less fraught, but it sure makes cutting out the shape and dovetails a lot fussier, so it's swings & roundabouts.

Complex curves on the top of the sides can give you a real challenge when fitting the rear woodwork if you plan to over-stuff. I've had more than enough trouble getting a single curve to match neatly on most of the planes I've over-stuffed he woodwork on. Choice of wood helps - don't choose a mongrel, hard, splitty wood like I did for a smoother I made earlier this year, it nearly defeated me, but I managed to get it to fit with just one tiny gap at one point after endless hours of paring & testing.

I used some Ebony scraps for this little palm plane I (almost) finished last week, and it was a delight to work with, by comparison. I think I got the closest fit of any plane I've made so far.481731

It's not quite finished, I want to round the rear bun a bit more, so please excuse the file marks on the top edge of the bun. I was trying out some 4mm stainless steel I bought on ebay for the sole, to see how it works. Not quite as easy to peen as mild steel, but it was easy enough, & it didn't work-harden as I feared it might - some stainless steels work-harden very easily. (I think it's 304, but not 100% sure, the site I bought it from was a bit vague on that point). It was a bit more savage on saw-blades though, the blades only cut well for about 75% of the distance they'll cut in mild steel...

So, on with the show.....
:)
Cheers,

Ian !.

Considering the depths to which some of my “friends” here are going, I feel compelled to with hold certain information till I feel obligated to show my intentions.

The metal will yield to my Authority or hell will pay like a woman scorned.

I use to say that with a rather large dead Blow hammer in my hand and 20 tons of of Hydraulic pressure in the past,quite an effective tool at times on vehicles.

I have plans for those little wispy bits, that I think will add considerable strength to them.
Actually I’m madly convinced that it will add considerable to the strength at the rear of the Body.
(Hope Derek doesn’t read this!!! He might think I’m Mad)

Ian that’s a lovely little plane, the shape looks very familiar:)).
Is any Ebony ever considered “scrap”


Cheers Matt.

[Simplicity]

It was not fun today !!
I soon will be commencing, attempt number three, of one part of my Lever Cap.
First attempt forgot to check if Neil’s drill press table was square to the axis of the quill.
It wasn’t.
Hole for bolt off square!!!!

Second attempt I should have blued the face more(Hate using a blue markie pen thingy would much prefer my blue layout dye).
And gone over my scribe lines more!!

O and a spring loaded centre punch,or a optical centre punch would be nice.(I know we’re one is !!)
So in short I’m having a moan and a wine.



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Matt :-(((

[doug3030]

Just looking at your dividers there Matt, reminded me of what just happened to mine.

I found three rusty old ones yesterday and put them in a vinegar bath overnight to clean them up.

All three of them came out with a broken spring clip. they looked alright when they went in. The power of double strength vinegar. :rolleyes:

Apart from that they all cleaned up beautifully.

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[Simplicity]

Just looking at your dividers there Matt, reminded me of what just happened to mine.

I found three rusty old ones yesterday and put them in a vinegar bath overnight to clean them up.

All three of them came out with a broken spring clip. they looked alright when they went in. The power of double strength vinegar. :rolleyes:

Apart from that they all cleaned up beautifully.

481969

You must have lucked out Doug,
Out of my Dozen or so dividers at home, all second hand, not one has a broken spring clip.

The one here, was new from Total tools ,it’s a bit average to be honest.


Make sure when you get a good one to sharpen the tips on a stone a little.

Cheers Matt.

[doug3030]

Make sure when you get a good one to sharpen the tips on a stone a little.

I have a few good ones, Matt. That's how those ones got rusty. I haven't used them for ages. I just thought it was funny that all three were intact before the vinegar bath but they all broke while soaking overnight.

[Simplicity]

I have a few good ones, Matt. That's how those ones got rusty. I haven't used them for ages. I just thought it was funny that all three were intact before the vinegar bath but they all broke while soaking overnight.

What super sonic vinegar we’re you using Doug??
That fractures spring steel.

[Bushmiller]

What super sonic vinegar we’re you using Doug??
That fractures spring steel.


:D Doug will probably find it was only the rust that was holding them together. When it was dissolved.....

Regards
Paul

[doug3030]

What super sonic vinegar we’re you using Doug??
That fractures spring steel.
:D Doug will probably find it was only the rust that was holding them together. When it was dissolved.....

Paul, I think that would be the only logical conclusion to reach. They were just cheapies, and all about the same age and had not been used for quite a long time. In reality,they are probably not worth the effort to repair. The question now is do I step up to the challenge and improve my forging skills by attempting to forge some new springs out of some old sawplate. The dividers themselves are not worth it but the skills and experience gained may well come in useful later.

Matt, the vinegar is this one, $2.20 for a 2 ltr bottle from Coles. It used to be white/clear until I used three bottles to soak my 21 inch bandsaw blade in it after 10 years of cutting up recycled hardwoods. The band came up looking and performing like new. Even after that the vinegar still had the power to destroy the springs on the dividers. It also removes Titebond III from clamp bars.

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[Simplicity]

Paul, I think that would be the only logical conclusion to reach. They were just cheapies, and all about the same age and had not been used for quite a long time. In reality,they are probably not worth the effort to repair. The question now is do I step up to the challenge and improve my forging skills by attempting to forge some new springs out of some old sawplate. The dividers themselves are not worth it but the skills and experience gained may well come in useful later.

Matt, the vinegar is this one, $2.20 for a 2 ltr bottle from Coles. It used to be white/clear until I used three bottles to soak my 21 inch bandsaw blade in it after 10 years of cutting up recycled hardwoods. The band came up looking and performing like new. Even after that the vinegar still had the power to destroy the springs on the dividers. It also removes Titebond III from clamp bars.

481996

Thanks Doug, maybe I should switch my brand royalty, I was using double strength cleaning vinegar from Bunnies(That’s not a typo lol)

I will go hunting!

Cheers Matt.

[Simplicity]

Overnight I repented my sins, and today I was blessed with files that were in order,
I feel blessed, Part one of three completed for the Lever Cap.

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Cheers Matt.

[Simplicity]

I’m a happy little vegemite today, during the Friday prattle Zoom meeting.

A very nice piece of 01 Tool steel arrived 6 mm thick 200/500 mm.

I can commence having a Soul :-).

Sorry if this is a little look at me look at me.
Cheers Matt.

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[IanW]

Holy Moly Batman - how many planes you making??? :o

[Simplicity]

Holy Moly Batman - how many planes you making??? :o

One so far,
Why did I do bad,

Cheers Matt.

[doug3030]

I have it on good authority (Corin, the manager and Tim, the storeman at Gameco) that o1 i very hard to get right now.

They were offering me d2 instead. They have been waiting on orders of o1 all year.

[IanW]

One so far,
Why did I do bad? ....

No, you ain't done bad, but you got enough O1 there to make at least 6 good-sized blades, haven't you? So I suppose you done good.....
:)

[Simplicity]

No, you ain't done bad, but you got enough O1 there to make at least 6 good-sized blades, haven't you? So I suppose you done good.....
:)


That’s the idea,
I’m sure it will take awhile to chew through that lot tho.

Cheers Matt.
Thanks Doug for reminding me of then too.
EDCON steel sales.

[Mountain Ash]

You must have been a boy scout.

[Simplicity]

You must have been a boy scout.

I was , but not the greatest that’s for sure lol.

Cheers Matt.

[Simplicity]

It would seem the Metal heads, have had a day of progress.

I now have my soul ruffle cut to size, it’s part of the large piece of 01 Tool steel I brought, hopefully that pays dividends when it comes to lapping the plane flat, fingers crossed.
I’ve also made a chatter plate for the Blade to bear against,instead of just the timber infill.
This has been lapped on a tile with wed and try too 180 grit, I might leave that till I can check it on my surface plate at home.
This will be pinned to the sides an soul later.
Once I file the bottom to 45 degrees.
The two rectangles were to shed some wait I’m getting a bit concerned about needing a Sherman tank to pull my plane along.
Or I’m just over thinking everything.

Cheers Matt.

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[Cklett]

Looking good.

I might have to borrow your Sherman tank to pull my plane as well [emoji6]

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