Suburban Kids,buy Large paddock with Know idea.

[Simplicity]

We have just brought 20 acres in Wedderburn Victoria, its a one bedroom love shack at present with scope an planes by us too turn it into 3 Bedroom home in the near future.
Plus a large workshop of course in case you needed to ask[emoji851].

Shipping containers need moving.

Shipping containers need moving. (https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?share_fid=10646&share_tid=247714&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ewoodworkforums%2Ecom%2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D247714&share_type=t&link_source=app)

So instead of potentially starting multiple threads with multiple questions such as, which end of the sheep does the lawn mowing bit? are camels ok, an can i pat the large Grey kangaroos while having my morning Coffee.

I would just ask hear, from those that “Knows more than Me” an hopefully fingers crossed i eventually learn that urinating on the electric fence is not good thing.

So first off, the current House(Shack) is completely off the grid(an is un economical to connect too the grid)with a 2.5 kilowatt solar system, so from my understanding at present, that will let us run the fridge an charge my iPhone at the same time, but it will probably struggle to Blow dry my bald head, crew cut ?.An i should stock up on candles for romantic sunset dinners.

That’s ok we plan too put on a much bigger Solar system in the near future,when we extend the current home.

So question, i have been looking at Generators to help with the electrical requirements of two suburban kids(only two us) who need too run everything all at the same time, as a stop measure for a year or so until we get a bigger solar system.

With a budget of around $3000 we went hunting

SABER 7500W 16hp Petrol Generator w/ 2x IP66 Worksafe Compliant Sockets SABGEN9KBP | Total Tools

DeWalt DXGN8950ik 8950W 8.9kVA Petrol Generator with Electric Start

Sydney Tools (https://sydneytools.com.au/product/dewalt-dxgn6875i-6875w-68kva-petrol-generator)

SABER 6500W 15hp Petrol Generator SABGEN7KBP | Total Tools (https://www.totaltools.com.au/118532-saber-7-5kva-6500w-15hp-petrol-generator-sabgen7kbp)

I’m fairly sold on something similar to these, we viewed the Sabre 7500W at Total tools today.
An the sales guy said they sell well.
Key features we need Electric start, 7500 watts, an a inverter to protect sensitive equipment ie phones computers welders, my hair dryer [emoji6].

K series Honda engine,There a very common engine and all most any small engine repair shop will know the engine and carry spares if needed.
An it looks like a few them use that engine type.
Two 15. Amp power outlets(all the ones I viewed have that).
A decent size fuel tank, some i sore only had a 6 litre tank(Thats about two an half hours run time).
A 25 litre tank running will gives about 8 hours run time depending on usage.
Low oil shutdown too(i have history off destroying an engine due too not checking the oil).
But more than happy to hear other’s opinions of course.
Would prefer to shop with Total Tools or Sydney Tools for convenience.

There will be plenty more questions to come, such as do i need to talk slower in the country.

Cheers Matt.


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[Ironwood]

I have got a Sabre 7500, 9kva generator. I use it for back-up power, it runs the whole house, aircons and pressure pump and all. It replaces a 7kva diesel generator that finally packed it in after too many cyclones (weeks on end without power)
The Saber has only done a couple of short outages service so far, but it’s doing the job.
The only thing I don’t like, is how much fuel it uses. I think it would chew through around 40 litres of petrol a day , I run em non stop when needed, we like aircon at night to sleep up here.

[auscab]

I would just ask hear, from those that “Knows more than Me” an hopefully fingers crossed i eventually learn that urinating on the electric fence is not good thing.





The move sounds great!


There are better ways to test if an electric fence is on Matt!!
:laughing1:

[BobL]

Gronya Matt - exciting times ahead!


The only thing I don’t like, is how much fuel it uses. I think it would chew through around 40 litres of petrol a day , I run em non stop when needed, we like aircon at night to sleep up here.

I can understand it that you need your AC where you live.

Here's an interesting Back of teh envelope calculation
40L of petrol = 31kg of petrol.
Petrol has an energy density of 45 MJ/kg so that's 1395 MJ/day or 58 MJ/hour.

A 9kW generator running flat out produces 9000 x 3600 = 32.4 MJ/hour
However, presumably you are not running it flat out 24/7
Lets assume a 50% operating cycle (i suspect it will be less than this) so that's 16.2 MJ/hr.
Thats an energy efficiency of 30% which is about all most petrol engines get when running a vehicle.
Have you thought about heating your hot water using the exhaust?

40L petrol @$2/l = $80/day
4.5kW from an electricity provide here in WA (28c@kWhr) for 24 hours = $30/day
The most we use even on the hottest here in Perth with up to 4 split system ACs running is 70 kWhrs ($20) but fortunately the solar offsets that by about 40 kWhrs.

At your east coat power prices the petrol generator may be close to competitive.

[Bohdan]

There are better ways to test if an electric fence is on Matt!!
:laughing1:

My young cows test the fence by pushing each other into the fence to see the reaction.

[Simplicity]

My young cows test the fence by pushing each other into the fence to see the reaction.

I will inform “Her” then that my role in life is not to be used to check if a fence is electrified, good tip [emoji6].

Cheers Matt.

[apple8]

Just a thought re solar. Why wait until the home is extended, you could install a solar grid in a dedicated area in the optimum position and angle to maximize efficiency and have the ability to clean the panels as necessary.

[Simplicity]

Just a thought re solar. Why wait until the home is extended, you could install a solar grid in a dedicated area in the optimum position and angle to maximize efficiency and have the ability to clean the panels as necessary.

That is actually a good idea, we have been thinking about that too.
But would still be comfortable knowing we have a plan B in place(Generator).
Plus with the world being a bit un organised at present, it may take awhile too get that sorted.

Cheers Matt.

[Mr Brush]

My young cows test the fence by pushing each other into the fence to see the reaction.

Some cows definitely have a voltmeter built in to their noses - possibly they can sense the electric field via the fine hairs? When we first built our original house one of the cows we had on the property would come up close to the electric fence, have a "sniff" at it, then if it was switched off just walk right through (followed by the rest of the mob). Cows also fancy themselves as plumbers......:rolleyes:

[Ironwood]

That is actually a good idea, we have been thinking about that too.
But would still be comfortable knowing we have a plan B in place(Generator).
Plus with the world being a bit un organised at present, it may take awhile too get that sorted.

Cheers Matt.
I think this would be your best option Matt. Solar to cover most of what you need day to day, and the generator to fill in for when you need a bit more.

[Ironwood]

Have you thought about heating your hot water using the exhaust?

40L petrol @$2/l = $80/day............
At your east coat power prices the petrol generator may be close to competitive.


Hot water is covered with The Solarhart, we rarely need to use electricity for that.

My Quarterly power bill ranges from $300-$1000, depending how much time we actually spend at home. While working away, just the fridge and freezer are running.

[Simplicity]

The Hot water unit is currently a gas unit, with a couple of Bottles, the oven is also all gas as well.

So there plans to go back to boiling water on the stove[emoji6].

Cheers Matt.

[Rudyvm]

When down this wormhole about 6 months ago, live on 10 acres in central Victoria and lost power for a week during last years storms, on top of another 2 day blackout, and 19 other power losses ranging between 30 minutes and 3 hours within a 12 month period.

Looked into all of the different options including solar with batteries (2 Tesla) and in running the numbers realised that we would never get our money back due to the cost of batteries and would still need to draw from the grid in winter due to the climatic conditions up here 750m in the air.

Solar also won't run my power tools mostly because of the amperage so decided I would go for a simple 6.6 solar system which would pay itself off in 2-3 years with a generator back up.

I went for the Dewalt that you are looking at, ironically since we installed a few months ago have only had 2 outages both of which only lasted 45 m or so, was enough to test out the capacity of the unit, wouldn't say it would power the whole house especially in winter when we run a few column heaters....we often hit way below zero at night here but with a bit of common sense in power use worked perfectly fine.

Is a bit of a bugger having to go outside to hook it up and start it but only takes a few minutes so is not the end of the world.

We also recently had our 20 year old standard water heater replaced with a heat pump system for free as a government initiative, works really well and apparently uses around a third of the energy of the old one so would highly recommend.

[Bushmiller]

Matt

Something you could consider, only because you are looking at petrol/diesel powered generators, is a three phase unit. They normally have single phase outlets too but you would need to check the single phase outlets are sufficient for your needs.

Having said that, it is not ideal to be starting a generator each time you pick up a power tool or run a machine. It is too expensive to run the generator continuously (single or three phase). If you were running through numerous lengths of timber on a table saw or thicknessing a large quantity of boards a generator is fine: In other words a small production run, but using the table saw every ten minutes is either tedious to keep starting the gen set or poor for the motor, particularly if it is a diesel. Welding is another passtime that would benefit from a larger three phase unit and conversely would also take its toll on the like of a small solar array.

A big solar array is probably the answer sooner rather than later, but understandably not immediately on the cards. One thing people do forgaet with solar, because Oz is a sunny place, we do get cloud cover: More cloud cover where you are than where I am.

Regards
Paul

[Simplicity]

I still don’t know which end of the sheep does the lawn mowing bit.
Hopefully Mr Ian W ,will advise me soon apparently he knows the answer.

Cheers Matt.

We’re not getting sheep Sal will give them names, an they will go from lawn mowers too pets.
[emoji85][emoji85]

Cheers Matt.

[Optimark]

Matt, congratulations to you and Sally.

I know that you will most likely be flat out, but if you wish, you can visit and have a look at our suburban system and ask a multitude of silly questions.

We have 7.7kW of solar and 20 kWh of batteries, effectively in the longer day time of the year, we are off grid.

What we have would enable you to be self sufficient for almost everything you wish to do, but being where you are you can have a large as you like solar array and the options then are mind boggling.

Mick.

[Simplicity]

Matt, congratulations to you and Sally.

I know that you will most likely be flat out, but if you wish, you can visit and have a look at our suburban system and ask a multitude of silly questions.

We have 7.7kW of solar and 20 kWh of batteries, effectively in the longer day time of the year, we are off grid.

What we have would enable you to be self sufficient for almost everything you wish to do, but being where you are you can have a large as you like solar array and the options then are mind boggling.

Mick.

Thanks Mick,

Much appreciated, I’ve been told to look at a system around the 13 kw plus,

But like you pointed out, we have plenty of space to install ground level Solar panels, also the block is 95 percent cleared land so no problem with shadowing the panels.

Cheers Matt.

[Mr Brush]

We also recently had our 20 year old standard water heater replaced with a heat pump system for free as a government initiative, works really well and apparently uses around a third of the energy of the old one so would highly recommend.

"The Sanden heat pump system consumes 900watts (less than 1Kw!) of electricity to generate 5 kW of heat (COP = 5*), which equates to 20% of the energy used by a traditional electric system. Therefore, you can save up to 80% of your usual electric hot water energy costs."

We recently installed one of these, works a treat. The unit can be programmed to only run at certain times of day - ours is now set up to only operate between 11am and 3pm when ambient air temperature is generally higher and we have power from solar panels. Essentially.....free hot water.

[Optimark]

The Hot water unit is currently a gas unit, with a couple of Bottles, the oven is also all gas as well.

So there plans to go back to boiling water on the stove[emoji6].

Cheers Matt.

We have an Aldi portable induction cooker, single glass plate, on special again from today.

It can be run at the lowest setting of 300W (milk setting) and it boils water very efficiently. This power draw would be well within the reach of your modest solar panel array even today.

As for your solar panel array, unless I'm very much mistaken, your property is on a flood plain. I would be considering running the panels overhead sort of like a largish carport. This could then give you some much needed shade in the hot months for whatever you decide goes underneath. All cabling needs to be kept above ground and above a certain height, but at least it shouldn't get submerged. If it did get submerged, then you would have more important things to worry about.

A friend on a farm out of Wycheproof has done exactly this and they use it very successfully as a semi shaded summertime outdoor area. Started out as a 5 kWh system but from memory it is now close to 25 kWh, they are completely off grid and running a rather huge wet cell ex Telecom/Telstra group of batteries and their backup generator is an old diesel unit picked up some years ago.

Mick.

[Simplicity]

We have an Aldi portable induction cooker, single glass plate, on special again from today.

It can be run at the lowest setting of 300W (milk setting) and it boils water very efficiently. This power draw would be well within the reach of your modest solar panel array even today.

As for your solar panel array, unless I'm very much mistaken, your property is on a flood plain. I would be considering running the panels overhead sort of like a largish carport. This could then give you some much needed shade in the hot months for whatever you decide goes underneath. All cabling needs to be kept above ground and above a certain height, but at least it shouldn't get submerged. If it did get submerged, then you would have more important things to worry about.

A friend on a farm out of Wycheproof has done exactly this and they use it very successfully as a semi shaded summertime outdoor area. Started out as a 5 kWh system but from memory it is now close to 25 kWh, they are completely off grid and running a rather huge wet cell ex Telecom/Telstra group of batteries and their backup generator is an old diesel unit picked up some years ago.

Mick.

Mick,

Will definitely look at the Aldi portable induction cooker,

We are on what i would consider the “Hills of Wedderburn” yes Wedderburn has flooded in the past,will it flood in the future, you will have to ask the Gods that I don’t believe in.

But it would take a MASSIVE MASSIVE flood for me too start building an Ark were we have brought.

We may get locked in due to a flood, but would all most not get our feet wet.

Cheers Matt.

[damian]

There are on gumtree etc very cheap solar panels. I have been told these do not comply with the government rebate scheme so were unable to be installed for grid connected systems. They can be had for as little as $5 each. Obviously there is the inverter, fixings, possible support frames etc etc, but might be worth a look for an off grid application.


As said above solar will sort you in the sunny hours but then you need battery or generator for the rest. From what I have read (and I've read a lot) I suspect for a situation like yours a backup generator, possibly with auto start, is probably the most economic option.


The reason diesel is not universally adopted for cars generators etc is that while it has better fuel economy the price of admission combined with potentially higher maintenance costs erodes the savings. Proper analysis requires details of your particular situation but my suspicion is you won't find much difference in the total cost of ownership and that a petrol unit will do.


So you optimise your solar by scheduling washing machines hot water etc to sunlight hours, have a small battery set to run the fridge etc and run the generator as required to top up.


If I were still right in the head I reckin I could build a spreadsheet with fields to fill that would spit out a configuration, but that's probably beyond me now. Look up tables would yield numbers near enough.

[rustynail]

Backup power from a petrol generator is ok but a full time runner is less than ideal. Current fuel prices alone make it a pretty expensive option and even a Honda needs a rest sometimes.
I'd just go solar from the start. We did a cabin recently using 1000L ibc's as bases with a solar panel clip mounted at 25 degrees on the top of each cube frame. As we got more cubes we bought more panels. The cubes cost nothing. We then had plenty of power and plenty of water storage (cubes are interconnected with PVC pipe at the base fittings.) Panels were purchased from a mate who does insurance replacements where total replacement is required even though not all the panels are damaged and the undamaged ones sell for a pittance.
All in all, a low cost set up, easy to add to or extract from and easy to clean.

[Optimark]

Matt, this may give you some ideas, it also may dissuade you from thinking about a windmill to generate electricity, but if you build it high enough....

Urban Renewables Solar Panels vs Wind Turbines - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRREJZdRA8g)

Rosie is an engineer and for some time specialised in wind energy in Denmark; if I have that correct.

Nevertheless, although she talks fast, the information will give you some real figures and power outputs for a possible wind generator on your new abode.

Mick.

[woodPixel]

Mick beat me to it, but I'd rather think a wind turbine added into the mix would be interesting.

[Bushmiller]

If you are going down the wind path, you could consider the Savonius drum. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsheVOjqfa8) Not too expensive. All depends on the wind and elevation of your land (and time available).

Regards
Paul

[chambezio]

What is your water situation? Do you have a bore? What about a windmill on a bore? Is there a tank on the bore/ What have you got in the way of rain water storage? Pressure systems/ (You can tell that I am coming from a different direction with these question) What are the fences like? Is there stock on your neighbours places where you share the same fence?

The answers above can lead to some real $$$ being spent and maybe have to be shelled out earlier than later when you move in.

We have been on our 1 acre 4kms from the village. For 40 years. Its a rural estate. Our neighbours have 8 acres and there are 100 acres blocks on the other side of them. I would have liked more land but at the time this is what we could afford. Even though we don't have much dirt the life style is what we were after. We still have "big property" challenges with water and pumps and fences but that is all part of it. We could not pull up stumps and move into town!!! (it would kill us)

I will be looking with interest at your future journey......remember, photos with stories and don't leave anything out All the best to you and Sally

[Simplicity]

O Sally has always loved the look of the Australian wind mill, she would love one, I would certainly earn some big Brown points on that one.

If maybe it generated some sparks(Electricity).

Cheers Matt.

[woodPixel]

I have a dream to get out of the city and looked at the area you bought Simplicity.

It looks lovely. Harsh stuff.

Do you have plans for regrowth, vitalisation, mass plantings or such? The ground looks harsh and needs some deep mulching and water retention work.

An excellent challenge.

I have a book on rehabbing forest by an Aussie bloke who knows what's he's on about. I'll see if I can find it again. Here! "Heartwood: The art and science of growing trees for conservation and profit" by Rowan Reid (https://www.amazon.com.au/Heartwood-science-growing-conservation-profit/dp/1925556115) ....

[Simplicity]

What is your water situation? Do you have a bore? What about a windmill on a bore? Is there a tank on the bore/ What have you got in the way of rain water storage? Pressure systems/ (You can tell that I am coming from a different direction with these question) What are the fences like? Is there stock on your neighbours places where you share the same fence?

The answers above can lead to some real $$$ being spent and maybe have to be shelled out earlier than later when you move in.

We have been on our 1 acre 4kms from the village. For 40 years. Its a rural estate. Our neighbours have 8 acres and there are 100 acres blocks on the other side of them. I would have liked more land but at the time this is what we could afford. Even though we don't have much dirt the life style is what we were after. We still have "big property" challenges with water and pumps and fences but that is all part of it. We could not pull up stumps and move into town!!! (it would kill us)

I will be looking with interest at your future journey......remember, photos with stories and don't leave anything out All the best to you and Sally

HI Chambezio,

Water situation is at present water tanks, but there is town water at the front of the property, we intend once we have moved in too get quotes too have the Town water initially brought up too a garden tap, we will then use the town water if needed to top up the tanks(currently have two galvanised iron tanks but they will be replaced in the future).


The three neighbouring property’s neither are running live stock of any type(Total fence length is 1.3 km i think from memory).

We know we will be giving the bank account a few big hits after we move in an get things going [emoji17].

Cheers Matt.

[Simplicity]

I have a dream to get out of the city and looked at the area you bought Simplicity.

It looks lovely. Harsh stuff.

Do you have plans for regrowth, vitalisation, mass plantings or such? The ground looks harsh and needs some deep mulching and water retention work.

An excellent challenge.

I have a book on rehabbing forest by an Aussie bloke who knows what's he's on about. I'll see if I can find it again. Here! "Heartwood: The art and science of growing trees for conservation and profit" by Rowan Reid (https://www.amazon.com.au/Heartwood-science-growing-conservation-profit/dp/1925556115) ....

Hi Pixel,

It’s a lovely part of Victoria, with a large regional Town about 50 minute drive away(Bendigo).

I have thought about re Treeing some of the Property, in native trees.
As currently its about 95 percent cleared.
(Immm how long does Gidgee take too mature[emoji4])
But I would need to clear that idea with someone else.

Not sure if i agree with you on the soil type, i don’t think it would need that much work!!.

Cheers Matt.

[damian]

I absolutely would not plant natives and especially gums.


20 years ago I made the mistake of not mowing down a few blue gums that stuck their heads up near my house. They are now 100 ft tall and even a big branch falling will be chaos. I can't cut them without going begging to council for permission.


It is utterly vile that fanatic greenies and AH governments have shifted the burden of carbon sinks and such to private land holders with no compensation.


If you do plant natives at least plant non gums. They are an invasive weed that has been systematically crowding out other native species for 100,000 years. The only good gum is a dead gum.

I have planted 100s of no eucalyptus natives on my land over the years but for the most part in places where they don't cause problems.

2c

[Bushmiller]

I absolutely would not plant natives and especially gums.


20 years ago I made the mistake of not mowing down a few blue gums that stuck their heads up near my house. They are now 100 ft tall and even a big branch falling will be chaos. I can't cut them without going begging to council for permission.


It is utterly vile that fanatic greenies and AH governments have shifted the burden of carbon sinks and such to private land holders with no compensation.


If you do plant natives at least plant non gums. They are an invasive weed that has been systematically crowding out other native species for 100,000 years. The only good gum is a dead gum.

I have planted 100s of no eucalyptus natives on my land over the years but for the most part in places where they don't cause problems.

2c

Damian

I have always considered these issues you mention are more to do with planting in inappropriate places: Such as too close to housing or trees that are too large for the average back yard. In their proper place gums are fine. I am not aware of any studies that have shown Eucalypts crowding out other species. Perhaps you have other information. The definition of a weed is "a plant that grows out of place." In fact imported species are more likely to become a weed than the natives.

However, I do sympathise with the problems of removing trees. I would suggest that a letter to council establishing that a tree needs to be removed for safety (danger to housing or people) and that failure to grant permission will hold them liable should give you a little more leverage. Once in writing, they can't deny liability.

Regards
Paul

Regards
Paul

[Simplicity]

Ok next Big(we’ll actually a small one but,sharp) question, we will be using Fire wood too keep warm during those delightful winter months that i hate with more passion than i hate lying Politicians kissing kids.

Have found the local Fire wood delivery people, but on the chance Sal wants too see me Man it up, i may need to split the odd piece of fire wood,or that may be split it.

Last time I was asked to split an stack fire wood i was 14 an doing it for Love of a grandmother.

An the implements of War were provided.

So what’s a half decent brand for a Axe hunter, I’m not going too be looking at becoming the next Australian axe champion by any stretch of anyone’s imagination, so you may leave those jokes on the Keyboard.

Cheers Matt.

[DJ’s Timber]

For splitting I’d go with either Fiskers X25 or X27.

[Nifty Nev]

Matt, save the back and invest in a log splitter. Cost a couple bucks, but you be using an engine coupled to hydraulic cylinder to do the heavy work. Nothing like a family afternoon together splitting the firewood for future use.

Cheers Nifty.

[Pagie]

One sheep can be called BBQ, another can be called Roast.

[Simplicity]

Matt, save the back and invest in a log splitter. Cost a couple bucks, but you be using an engine coupled to hydraulic cylinder to do the heavy work. Nothing like a family afternoon together splitting the firewood for future use.

Cheers Nifty.

Nifty,

Most fire wood I’ve seen is delivered, I split all ready Ie not round.
So will only be using the axe Occasionally, well i hope so[emoji6].

Cheers Matt.

[Simplicity]

For splitting I’d go with either Fiskers X25 or X27.

Thanks DJ,

Will look into them.

Cheers Matt.

[Huon pine fan]

+1 for Nifty's suggestion, a log splitter is the bees knees. You will find that you will go through a lot of wood to keep you warm over winter living there full time and the cost of buying in split wood will add up. If you end up using any fallen timber from your property unless it is straight grained an axe is no fun. Having a log splitter opens up the opportunity of buying in loads of logs and splitting it yourself.

[Pagie]

Plant a few, about 25 Tasmanian blue gums away from your sheds and house. In 10 years you will have firewood for ever.

[auscab]

The most comfortable way to go would be to super insulate the dwelling . Double glazing and all that. Get a decent petrol powered log splitter and have a decent Aussie made wood heater installed. With proper insulation and gap sealing your wood heating needs would be half that without it.
forget an open fire . You probably realize that would double your wood heating needs. The cost of buying in split dry wood is pretty shocking. I don't have to do that which was one reason I bought this place. Lots of wood.
We have a Nectre heater which is great. And an Oregan wood splitter which I think is good as well. No double glazing though.
I have the capability to re make all windows to take double glazed inserts but what a job that would be ! Maybe one set at a time will be the way one day.
When we moved here there was an open fire. That needed wood by the barrow load to heat the living area. We took it out after the first two winters, which increased the living area and added two large sets of single glazed windows to it as well.

[Huon pine fan]

have a decent Aussie made wood heater installed. ... We have a Nectre heater which is great.
My experience is that you need a heater that will burn through the night. When I purchased a new heater from Pivot over 10 years ago most manufacturers were claiming an 8 hour burn time, I opted for a Lopi which claimed a 10 hour burn time. My logic being that burn times are a function of the quality of the wood being burnt and no doubt they rate on optimum conditions so I went with the 10 hour rating thinking that 8 hours should be achievable. So far so good and pretty much getting 10 hours, enough coals in the morning to get it going again without the need for kindling. Admittedly I am burning sugar gum which is brilliant but certainly not cheap.

[Simplicity]

So I think I should seriously consider not getting Sal that fancy Ironing board cover as a house warming present.

An get her that Fancy axe DJ posted about.

Thought’s??

The Gutless one.

[Huon pine fan]

So I think I should seriously consider not getting Sal that fancy Ironing board cover as a house warming present. An get her that Fancy axe DJ posted about.

Who said romance was dead?

[Rudyvm]

A splitter is a no brainer for me if you are looking to cut and split your own wood, have been using my neighbours and am now looking to purchase one myself, his is a 30T log Dog and has no issues splitting some serious pieces of Red Gum so will probably look a bit more closely at that one. We had a number of branches and trees come down in last years storms which we have cut into round and there is no way I'll be splitting all of that manually. Imagine Wedderburn is a bit warmer than the Trentham area in which I live but we get through 12-15 Cubic Meters of fire wood ever year, the fire is on 24/7 from April to November, you may not use that much but is still a lot of wood to cut and chop so as others have said save your back and invest in a splitter.

Double glazing and proper insulation is also a must for me and given building code energy efficiency provisions these days you will probably need to install anyway, when we bought our weatherboard house it had uninsulated timber floors, single glazed aluminium windows, and scant roof insulation....the house was freezing in winter regardless of how many heaters we had going and was really starting to wonder if we had made the right decision to move up here. We then installed underfloor insulation, double glazing, and roof insulation and can now easily keep the house warm with half the amount of heating. With red gum firewood now going for over $200.00 a cube is saving us money as well.

[dbubnich]

I can happily recommend the Fiskars X25. It is the best I have ever used by a long way. I split and stacked about 12 cubic meters of firewood this year and typically did about 4 hours a day over a few weekends. It is well balanced, light and easy to use and and never came up sore the next day. Another plus is that after 4 years of use I haven't had to replace the handle...

[FenceFurniture]

Congrats Matt, I'm sure you'll enjoy the project and the living.


urinating on the electric fence is not good thing.No, you need to choose a different spot every time otherwise that part of the fence will really stink.


once we have moved in too get quotes too have the Town water initially brought up too a garden tap:no: Hire a trench digger and do it yourself with Sharkbite fittings and the plastic pipe that goes with it. It's actually quite fun because it's so easy and effective.


So will only be using the axe Occasionally, well i hope soForget the manual splitting – it's self defeating. By the time you've split enough wood the last thing you want is a fire. Then Sally will be cold, and you know what that means. :D Get a machine – they're a lot more fun and the split logs don't fly occasionally and potentially hit you in the saw nutz (DAMHIKT :C:~)


The most comfortable way to go would be to super insulate the dwelling . Double glazing and all that.Yes, and add to that an insulated slab with hydronics heating pipes running through it (which runs on the same principle that Mr Brush was talking about for hot water). You probably won't need any other heating. There's a problem with expanding the base of wood burning - it's not a whole lot better than burning fossil fuels.

I also think I'd be inclined to crack on with solar panels on a ground structure. You could weld that up yourself, assuming the jenny can run a welder.

Electrify everything, except the urinal. And maybe not Sally.

[woodPixel]

Perhaps some self-done geothermal pipes to get the steady temp of "10 metres down"?

It will certainly knock the top/bottom off the hot/cold days.

[FenceFurniture]

Hi Pixel,

etc etc etc

Cheers Matt.BTW, as a diminutive form of his name, he prefers to go by Pixie. Legend has it he has just the right appearance for it too. Size 13 boots, not far short of two metres, and everything else that goes with that.

[Simplicity]

Thanks everyone I really really really appreciate the advice on the Wood splitter, an I agree it would be very worthwhile.

Unfortunately two things are stopping the purchase of the Wood splitter for now(Yes maybe down the track a bit),

First unfortunately I still haven’t worked out alchemy, so I’m still unable to convert lead into gold, I’m certain this has too do with my religious preferences, possibly.


What that means is we only have a small pot of gold, an with everything else we “Need” too get, it won’t be long before I can well an truly see the bottom of the pot, or possibly all the way through it.

Secondly ever time I see my LovelyGP, she basically says trim up fatty $75 at the door thank you[emoji6][emoji6].

I think she means I should exercise [emoji17][emoji17][emoji17].

So two big positives for me being a Lumper Jack for at least one winter maybe two,


The Current love shack, as I have Christened it.
I would put $100 down has zero or just crap insulation in the walls.
Probably none under the floor, maybe maybe some in the Roof.

Not a problem, in the long run.

We will be turning the one bedroom love shack into a three bedroom home in the near future hopefully.
An the existing love shack will be getting a great deal of love, new weather boards, a S….. load of insulation,new double glazed windows extra.

An lots more Solar panels.

Brett, thank you being the only one hear, who recommended moving up an down the fence line, that makes perfect sense [emoji6][emoji43][emoji94].

Cheers Matt.

[woodPixel]

Glamping domes - Shelter Dome (https://www.shelter-dome.com/glamping-domes/)

Bugger restoring some old clapped out shed to make it work. Put up a few of these!

As its a "tent" it probably doesnt even NEED a permit :)


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[Simplicity]

Glamping domes - Shelter Dome (https://www.shelter-dome.com/glamping-domes/)

Bugger restoring some old clapped out shed to make it work. Put up a few of these!

As its a "tent" it probably doesnt even NEED a permit :)


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We could have,His one, Her one, an maybe a common one as well [emoji6].


Cheers Matt.

[woodPixel]

Well, one could build a series of Japanese style walkways and decks. On each deck is a 6 or 8 meter geodesic.

His, hers, kitchen, storage, lounge and workshop domes.

Cover the walkways.

NICE!

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[Tonyz]

farmer mate had gums & pines running up his 1.5K driveway. the amount of water they drew out of the ground was very noticeable after seeding time.
After several approaches to council and their reaction 'we will take you to court etc' he asked the big question....'if you take me to court what would the fine likely be?'
I am not privy to the amount suggested but a cheque was duly presented then n there and council told to quietly F itself. trees gone within 24 hours. case closed.

[Pagie]

Since the Ash Wednesday fires the rules about trees and permits have changed. It seems any tree too close to a house or boundary do not need a permit any more. Lots down in the last few storms too. Not heard of anyone needing a permit any time in the last few years.

[Simplicity]

Next big question

So we will be moving 3, 40 foot(12 metre [emoji6]) high cube shipping containers with us, on too the property, these will eventually become our Workshop.

We intend to set these up side by side, two already have side openings put in by us.
The remaining one will also have part of one side opened up.
With either a Flat roof, or a very low pitched roof over the whole lot.

But the big question, an I sort have already answered it myself, is do we go through Council an have it classified as a workshop or claim it’s only “Temporary” because it can easily be removed in the future.

I’m personally happy too go through council, from some basic quick research I’ve done on the local council site(Shire of Loddon) it docent seem too be too difficult.
The only thing I think we might need is some engineering reports possibly because of the cut outs on the side.
Not that they really need anything, the cut outs have 100/100 mm 4 mm thick(I think from memory, box tubing running from floor to ceiling, massively over the top.

Also it seems the containers can only be a Max 300 mm off the ground,which seems odd, I would have thought it would have been a crawl space distance off 450 mm, I think that’s right.

I was hoping we could put them around 600/800 mm off the ground to make loading stuff from a Ute a little easier.
Using Concrete pillars(No idea what I’m talking about hear either).

Any way open too all suggestions, I’ve never approached a council before about planning, but saying that what “Chat’s” we have had with the council staff so far have been very encouraging.

Cheers Matt.


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[FenceFurniture]

Well, if the plan is to expand the house after getting the 3x container workshop up to scratch, then council will be regularly inspecting the site won't they? Three containers with a roof of some type over them might raise some questions...maybe if there was no roof there would be easier answers to those questions. If the Council is reasonable to deal with, then I think the answer is pretty straightforward eh?

[rwbuild]

Do it by the book, be up front with the council, work within their guide lines for the particular zoning that affects your land. If you start trying to go your own way they will make your life a misery or at the least, very expensive. From experience you approach them in the right way, they will be more amenable to deal with, get them offside at the start, you will live to regret it.
Use language like "we are wondering if xyz is allowable" ....... then after they give/indicate an answer you then "what if we modified like this", I think you get the drift.

[auscab]

I think doing it right by council and engineering/building from the ground up to hold 3 containers and a roof would be Huge $.

Getting a steel Hay shed type shed through a shed builder put up. Or erect it yourself. All permits done right. 6 Posts and a roof . Two bays at 6M long. A 12 x 10 M shed with no walls . Properly braced . Compacted gravel floor. Would be pretty cheap compared to engineering and building on the three containers possibly.

You could then slide the three containers in and do what you like under that roof. Or place the containers and get shed built over them possibly. What you do inside your compliant shed once its up is completely your business once the neighbors cant see in.

[Pagie]

I like the hay shed idea.:roll:

[Simplicity]

Ok next question please,

Can anyone tell me more about these two signs, an are they in relation too town water.

Also I forgot to check, but what would be in the two black “Bucket’s”


Cheers Matt.
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[apple8]

Scour valve and air valve for water.
Air and Scour Valves - Vinidex Pty Ltd (https://www.vinidex.com.au/technical-resources/pvc-pressure-pipe/air-and-scour-valves/)

[woodPixel]

Simplicity, it looks lovely.

I have envy :)

[FenceFurniture]

Simplicity, it looks lovely.

I have envy :)Yes indeed, it does look excellent Matt. Is the dwelling hidden behind the trees on the right, and the land to the left is the neighbours?

[Simplicity]

Yes indeed, it does look excellent Matt. Is the dwelling hidden behind the trees on the right, and the land to the left is the neighbours?

Na

That’s our driveway, you can see making its way up from the road.

The property is almost completely cleared land except for a few spats off trees(Shrubs).

You can see the home from about 1 km away.
It sits up on a slight mound.

We have some filtered views

But the property behind us an too the right are mostly treed in.

Cheers Matt.


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[Simplicity]

Sorry Brett,

Yes that is home you can see behind those trees,

Cheers Matt.

[Simplicity]

Simplicity, it looks lovely.

I have envy :)

It is lovely, tho at present the owners have a little bit of rubbish too remove, before we sign on the dotted line.

Very much looking forward to sitting on the deck with Gin Watching the Sunset,

Cheers Matt.

[Boringgeoff]

On the firewood front, we've been on this 2.5 acre block fifteen years, there are a lot of Marri (corymbia calophylla) which grow very quickly. I thin them from time to time and use them for firewood. I cut a couple down last week and they will be in the fire in winter 2024 or 25. I split the logs with hammer and wedges as soon as they're down, into lengths I can handle, much easier than trying to split once it's dry.

Cheers,
Geoff.

[Simplicity]

Next question,

We will be usingTank water mostly when we move in, do we need too consider any water treatments too use the tank water as drinking water.
There is a local water carter if we don’t have enough rain.
But was just wondering if anyone else treats there tank water,
I notice you can buy stuff like this ??

CleanOxide Water Treatment Tablets | Google Shopping (https://www.google.com.au/shopping/product/9740717681721264803?q=water+tank+pills&client=safari&channel=iphone_bm&biw=414&bih=715&tbs=vw:l&prmd=sivn&sxsrf=ALiCzsaDn_CyOK4furltpbIeyYm95KO3Dw:1660555645179&prds=eto:7674279540443264693_0,cdl:1,local:1,prmr:2,rsk:PC_6115436931665287434,cs:1)

Cheers Matt.

[Pagie]

We were on tank water for years. Never treated any of it. My friends down nat foster is still on tanks and never treats his either.

[rwbuild]

Just keep the SS strainer clean where the downpipes go in your tank, keeps birds and leaf matter out of the tank.
You will get dust off your catchment roof but that will settle below the suction point of the pressure pump.
Get the best quality pump , Grundfos Pressure Pumps (https://aquiferpumps.com.au/grundfos/grundfos-pressure-pumps/)

[Simplicity]

Just keep the SS strainer clean where the downpipes go in your tank, keeps birds and leaf matter out of the tank.
You will get dust off your catchment roof but that will settle below the suction point of the pressure pump.
Get the best quality pump , Grundfos Pressure Pumps (https://aquiferpumps.com.au/grundfos/grundfos-pressure-pumps/)

Thanks Ray,

I I find the pump is bit iffie will certainly swap it out.
Good hint [emoji106][emoji106]

Cheers Matt

[Chief Tiff]

We use ultraviolet water sterilisers at work; zero chemicals so tasteless. You don’t have to treat the entire waterflow; you can get small underbench ones dedicated to a single drinking water tap. Power consumption is pretty low but they generally need the flouro replacing annually.

[chambezio]

We set up concrete water tanks not long after we moved here. In 40 years I think we have only bought a few loads of water. There is a strainer on the roof collected water and a sediment filter on the water out of the pump going to the house. I change that filter every 6 months.

A couple of times, during the droughts we have had, we have had the odd dead bird, and once dead possum get caught in the tank's screen and while they were rotting there guts went into the tank. Yeh Yuck!!! To fix the situation and not lose any water I put Pool Chlorine Shock Treatment into the water then waited a few days and.....we were able to use the water again.

When we visit someone on town water you certainly know its town water. You can smell the Chlorine in the water as well as taste it. I think I much prefer tank water to "safe town water". In the 40 years we have been here we have never had "Delhi Belly" from our water

[A Duke]

Hi,
Any one thought of boiling the drinking water?
That's what I do if I want to drink sus water.
Regards

[woodPixel]

My father lives on a bit of a farm and mentioned this year about finding dead birds in the gutters.

Seems that a little diligence in gutter maintenance and a good mesh filter on the inlet is needed :)


Don't see any problem with putting a goldfish or two in there to act as a hoover :cool:

[Simplicity]

My father lives on a bit of a farm and mentioned this year about finding dead birds in the gutters.

Seems that a little diligence in gutter maintenance and a good mesh filter on the inlet is needed :)


Don't see any problem with putting a goldfish or two in there to act as a hoover :cool:

Goldfish in the tank water,ok immmmmmmm.
It has been a long winter!!!!!!!.
Think i just leave the Goldfish in the Dam.

Cheers Matt.

[woodPixel]

One or two goldfish to eat all the bugs and scum.

Just like in a horses trough.

[FenceFurniture]

One or two goldfish to eat all the bugs and scum.Just as prawns are the cockroaches of the sea, they are the cockroaches of the water tank. :puke: :roflmao2:

[Pagie]

I tried putting fish in a water tank, didn't last , not enough oxygen. You need an air pump.

[Simplicity]

Just for the current record, I’m not planning on “deliberately” putting any living things in the Tanks.

Some off you need to get out a little more [emoji43][emoji94][emoji43][emoji94][emoji43][emoji94],

Cheers Matt.

[Bushmiller]

Just for the current record, I’m not planning on “deliberately” putting any living things in the Tanks.

Some off you need to get out a little more [emoji43][emoji94][emoji43][emoji94][emoji43][emoji94],

Cheers Matt.

Matt

Dead things would be worse still. :rolleyes: Tank water is fine as it is, but it is probably adviseable to filter your drinking water. If you are using a pressure pump many filtering options will be available, but with low pressure gravity fed applications many fliters will not work.

Regards
Paul

[FenceFurniture]

Royal Doulton Ceramic filters do a remarkable job. Tap water to pure, tasteless, smooth and soft H20. We just use one in a pottery water urn.

[Bushmiller]

Royal Doulton Ceramic filters do a remarkable job. Tap water to pure, tasteless, smooth and soft H20. We just use one in a pottery water urn.

We use the same ceramin filters except the outer casing of ourvessel was cracked (given to us for nothing). Our inner section just sits on top of a water jug: It does the same job but doesn't look as flash. The filtered water is decanted into another contaner for drinking at a later date. Also not very flash but it works.

Regards
Paul

[Optimark]

My great, great grandmother bought a Doulton gravity feed water filter for her youngest sister's wedding in 1911. Life went on, as it does, then in the 1990's my youngest brother married a distant cousin who had her great, great grandmother's wedding present Doulton water filter. One and the same water filter and their children don't have crossed eyes... :rolleyes:

To this day, that water filter is still used by my brother and his family for drinking.

I have a more modern Doulton ceramic water filter housing in our camper, it is powered by an under the sink 12V water pump. Essentially it is the same as the gravity fed unit, just that the flow rate is probably around 1 litre every two minutes.

Both produce fantastic tasting water and just keep on working.

Mick.

[Simplicity]

So one Dude here says I need to go back too England an get a Royal Doulton water filter thingy, One other bloke says any busted up old one will do the trick.
Then some Old block says his family has used the same one since there Cousins got married an walked out of a cave.

I think I just pass this on too Sally, an keep looking at Vintage Tractors.

Cheers Matt.[emoji3064][emoji3064]

[Simplicity]

5 days time, we are officially homeless for ten days,

Before a ten day wait, when we settle at Wedderburn on the 30th October.


So ,we have booked into a Caravan park in Bendigo, where we can be officially called “White trash trailer park pigs”, tho Sally is not taking well to that discribution[emoji52].

Part off the settlement at our Melbourne property was the removal of a large Camphor Laurel, that was taken down a few weeks back after Council approval.

As the new owners want to put up a Mc Crap fall down in Ten years McMansion thingy [emoji2961][emoji2961][emoji2961][emoji2961].

So ,today a few pieces were taken to forum member Paige, as we don’t have much room left in out storage facility.(Thank you)

Cheers Matt.





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[woodPixel]

One must embrace being a white trash scum.

I don't think 10 days living the lifestyle is anything more than peasant-tourism :)

If you went and bought a 1990 commodore, without wheels, doors or glass, parked it on blocks next to your jet ski, both of which you've been planning "to do up" for years... then you might be close :)

They'll sniff you out as a chardonnay sipper in no time flat. :cool:

[Simplicity]

One must embrace being a white trash scum.

I don't think 10 days living the lifestyle is anything more than peasant-tourism :)

If you went and bought a 1990 commodore, without wheels, doors or glass, parked it on blocks next to your jet ski, both of which you've been planning "to do up" for years... then you might be close :)

They'll sniff you out as a chardonnay sipper in no time flat. :cool:

If I walk around the Caravan park with a Six pack, wearing Rip off designer slippers.
Yelling Sally’s name out, would that help my status??.

Cheers Matt.

[Chief Tiff]

No need to go that far; just slip into a bluey. The trickiest thing will be fast-tracking the mullet although if you perpetually wear a Magpies ball cap that can draw attention away from the lack of hair.
Other little details you need to add to avoid detection:

Nicotine stained fingers (yellow food colouring can help here)
Distrust of consonants; try to communicate using only vowels where possible although all words beginning with the letter “C” are exempt.
Reliance on only using verbs, nouns and adjectives that begin with the letter “C”
Too many teeth (ie… having some teeth); reduce smiling as much as possible
Perpetual rage at the injustice of your situation; you can help mask the absence of the absence of tooths if you maintain an outer visage of a bulldog licking urine off of a thistle.

Probably best if Sally stays inside the caravan; her presence can be noted by the neighbours quite simply by the random throwing of obscenities and empty VB bottles out the door in equal quantities. Having seen the odd photo of her we all know you’re punching well above your weight; in Boganville that mere yawning chasm will rapidly gain Grand Canyon proportions… :D

[BobL]

Good luck with all that Matt.

10 years ago I remember spending 14 hot days at a caravan park down south, with two dogs on a wire by the end of the fortnight the campsite had decidedly deteriorated.
There wasn't much grass to be begin with around our van and the dogs had tramped down or dug up the remainder.
I religiously picked up the dog poop every morning but after a week and no rain there was a decided dog pee odour that I had to get the hose onto it.
At this park we were usually allowed an enclosed campfire so went to visit a local farmer friend of ours can came back with a load of wood. I split it all up but the following day total fire bans came into force and we didn't get to use any of it
In those days I used to drink and the stash of empties by the side of the van had stacked up so much that when we left it was easier to wheel a recycling bin over from the bin area. We even heard other campers walking by commenting on "the stash"
The last night there was a thunder storm that tore off one side of the tarp covering the dog crate and spread washing hanging out to dry all over the the barren ground around the van which had turned to mud.
Other that that we had a good time.

[Simplicity]

No need to go that far; just slip into a tank top . The trickiest thing will be fast-tracking the mullet although if you perpetually wear a Magpies ball cap that can draw attention away from the lack of hair.
Other little details you need to add to avoid detection:

Nicotine stained fingers (yellow food colouring can help here)
Distrust of consonants; try to communicate using only vowels where possible although all words beginning with the letter “C” are exempt.
Reliance on only using verbs, nouns and adjectives that begin with the letter “C”
Too many teeth (ie… having some teeth); reduce smiling as much as possible
Perpetual rage at the injustice of your situation; you can help mask the absence of the absence of tooths if you maintain an outer visage of a bulldog licking urine off of a thistle.

Probably best if Sally stays inside the caravan; her presence can be noted by the neighbours quite simply by the random throwing of obscenities and empty VB bottles out the door in equal quantities. Having seen the odd photo of her we all know you’re punching well above your weight; in Boganville that mere yawning chasm will rapidly gain Grand Canyon proportions… :D


A small side discretion,

As most have possibly gathered my Grasp of the English language, is definitely lacking.
I can crash Spell Check on a good day.

I was number 5/6 scrawny kids dragged up in a Boring middle class family in the Burbs of South east suburbs of Melbourne.

My father was a primary school teacher at a well know private school in Melbourne (Caulfield Grammar Malvern house).
An was well regarded amongst is pupils an fellow teachers as having Perfect English an Grammar skills an being extremely well read.
Too the point he was constantly being asked too private tutor kids from Primary school to university.

If I ever dared use the F word or the S word, at home in front of my Farther, he would make me explain the meaning an context of either words.[emoji3064][emoji3064]

I even said “Bloody Wog” once, that was received with a lecture of my family heritage, as my father’s mother was Italian.

But by the time I hit Secondary School, dad I think was basically “over teaching 40 hours a week than coming home an dealing with me, I was a Little wayward as a child[emoji6].

But my father had the best wit you could ever come across, for my lack of wanting to “Learn” as a slight punishment [emoji23] my report cards from School were regularly Correct by my father an sent back too the school via post, only too be “re” returned too me by my school teachers.
Omg how bloody embarrassing.

It still makes me laugh too this days.

Cheers Matt.

[Pagie]

Thanks for the load of firewood yesterday Matt. As I lived in a caravan in a 24hour rest area near Townsville many years ago I should be the expert on boganisums. you need to put a couch outside the van so you can sit there drinking VB or meth and orange juice.

[Simplicity]

Thanks for the load of firewood yesterday Matt. As I lived in a caravan in a 24hour rest area near Townsville many years ago I should be the expert on boganisums. you need to put a couch outside the van so you can sit there drinking VB or meth and orange juice.

Should I explain too Sally, your intentions [emoji6][emoji6].

Cheers Matt.

[wood spirit]

petrol/diesel gennys will obviously cost fuel. How go the government grants? Telstra second hand batteries were the old school back up for early hippie solar systems. Solar and wind MIGHT still get subsidies? Gens for back up? If used as a camp spot storage will probably cover you.

[Simplicity]

We Made it out of Melbourne,
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Two little kids from the Burbs, are very happy very tired, an slightly overwhelmed.
S…. we own twenty acres now [emoji43][emoji94][emoji43][emoji94][emoji43][emoji94].

Will be back doing some woodwork around 2032 I reckon,give or take a week[emoji6].

Cheers Matt.

[BobL]

Looks great Matt,

All the best.

[chambezio]

Let the adventure really begin. All the best wishes while you are settling in

[Pagie]

You will need the fire going at night. Keep warm.

[Simplicity]

Well this wasn’t in the Glossy pamphlet when we signed in[emoji43][emoji94].

Yes that is our drive way, should that be was our drive way, it’s about 200 mm deep in the centre.
I checked earlier today using my Gumboot gauge.

We have been literally stuck on our land for the last 24 hours or so.

Luckily we’re City kids so there is plenty of coffee an internet usage tho so we’re safe.

Cheers Matt.

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