What is the best Hand Held router?

[craigb]

Opinions sought:

O.K. I've done a search but I still want to ask:

What is the BEST router for hand held work?

The Hitachi M12V seems to me to suffer from the same problem as the Triton, ie it's too big to be comfortable for hand held use.

How about the Makita 3612c? It seems to be a pretty hefty beast too.

What about ELU?

Any others?

[silentC]

This one: http://www.stanleytools.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=PLANES&TYPE=PRODUCT&PARTNUMBER=12-071&SDesc=Router+Plane

Works in a black out, too.

:D:D:D

See, you shouldn't have bought that last beer....

[craigb]

This one: http://www.stanleytools.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=PLANES&TYPE=PRODUCT&PARTNUMBER=12-071&SDesc=Router+Plane

Works in a black out, too.

:D:D:D

See, you shouldn't have bought that last beer....

:p

One for the darksiders anyway.

[Greg Q]

For what it's worth, I have come to the unhappy conclusion that the best router for hand-held is the Festool 1400. "unhappy" because its >800 clams,
and it will haunt me every time I struggle with my top heavy Bosch 1700EVS.

If you don't want to spend that kind of money, do yourself a favour and never take a 1400 demo.

Greg

[silentC]

OK, well for the record, my thoughts on it are that most of the 1/2" routers are going to be top heavy like the Triton, although my 3612C is not TOO bad.

You might look at picking up a 1/4" router for the hand-held jobs like this one: http://www.makita.com.au/catalogue/dsptool.php?tmodel=3620

I've got an older model version of it and I find it very handy for edge treatments on large areas or awkward spots where the bigger one is a problem. In fact the bigger one stays upside down in the table most of the time.

I've got a cheapy set of 1/4" bits that someone gave me for my birthday which I use with it. It is light enough that you can use it one handed (with caution and don't blame me if it turns ugly). This or one like it gets my vote.

[redwood]

The GMC r1200 its top of the range professional router. a real beauty:D

[Barry_White]

I use a Makita Trimmer for smaller bits. Nice and light and easy to handle.

But hey what about the new Triton one thats coming.

[Grunt]

I've got the 3612C which I find just a little bit too heavy. I've sort of been looking at the DeWalt jobbie because of the dust extraction port with it and it's lighter then the Makita.

[Cliff Rogers]

There is a Bosch with variable speed that is about 1300 watts & the man at the local Glenfords says that it would be his pick for a handheld job.
I haven't tried it, I've got a big hitachi & little but very loud AEG.

• 1,300W motor (1-3/4” Hp). (240 Volt)
• 12mm(1/2”) collet cap.
• Variable speed range.
• Fine depth adjustment.
• Provision for dust extraction.


http://www.justtools.com.au/images/gof1300.jpg

[redwood]

There is a Bosch with variable speed that is about 1300 watts & the man at the local Glenfords says that it would be his pick for a handheld job.
I haven't tried it, I've got a big hitachi & little but very loud AEG.

• 1,300W motor (1-3/4” Hp). (240 Volt)
• 12mm(1/2”) collet cap.
• Variable speed range.
• Fine depth adjustment.
• Provision for dust extraction.


http://www.justtools.com.au/images/gof1300.jpg

nice router cliff. But dose it come in color:confused:

[Auld Bassoon]

Hi Craig,

For hand-held use, and if I need the power, my favourite is the Bosch GOF1300ACE (this is the one posted by Cliff above, I believe), although the DeWalt 621 follows it fairly closely.

For a lighter touch, I have a little Makita 1/4 job - really a trimmer, but works very well as a lightweight router too - albeit without any nifty depth of cut adjustment like the other two.

For really small work I use a plunge router attachment to a Dremel - light, easy to very finely control, and achieve really delicate work.

Of course there's also the Lee Valley router plane which I'm just getting to grips with.

Haven't tried a Festo or such - and had better not :eek:

Cheers!

[Cliff Rogers]

..... But dose it come in color:confused:

Yeap, get ya crayons out & suit ya self. :cool:

[redwood]

Yeap, get ya crayons out & suit ya self. :cool:

Dam. just tried that and now cant get it of the monitor screen:(

[Gumby]

Wait for the new Triton matey, you'll kick yourself if you buy before you see it.
;)

[craigb]

Wait for the new Triton matey, you'll kick yourself if you buy before you see it.
;)


More information please. :)

I can wait. I'm not rushing out to buy a new router.
After all, I already have four (3 GMC and a Triton) :rolleyes:

My plunge GMC is a POS and the other two GMC's are fixed base but for $39 were too good to miss :o

The Festool looks nice but I don't want to spend $870 on a router. :eek:

[Iain]

I'ver got a big Hitachi, a 3hp Dyson table mounted, two Ozitos:mad: :mad: , a smaller Makita which is nice and two GMC 1020W which are not too bad at all, I would never confess to owning GMC but these two little babies are quite good.
The Ozito's crapped themselves the first time I used them, never again Mr Ozito.

[Just George]

There is a Bosch with variable speed that is about 1300 watts & the man at the local Glenfords says that it would be his pick for a handheld job.
I haven't tried it, I've got a big hitachi & little but very loud AEG.

• 1,300W motor (1-3/4” Hp). (240 Volt)
• 12mm(1/2”) collet cap.
• Variable speed range.
• Fine depth adjustment.
• Provision for dust extraction.


http://www.justtools.com.au/images/gof1300.jpg

Yeah, I too have one of these, the second router I bought. One of six that I have. It is good, but the price hasn't budged for 5 years. The new Triton should be good, wait for it.

Gumby
Wait for the new Triton matey, you'll kick yourself if you buy before you see it.

[ssgt]

Unfortunately the Bosch 1300ace is now discontinued, sad as it is a great router.
For freehand work I like the Porta Cable PC-7529 but my favourite is the Festool OF-1010, if the budget was good I would go for the Festool 1400
Keep on routering
ssgt

[dazzler]

:D
The GMC r1200 its top of the range professional router. a real beauty:D

And the new model comes with the "lassie go home" feature so each week it breaks it automatically limps back to the supplier to be replaced:p

Whatever will they think of next

dazzler

[Cliff Rogers]

Unfortunately the Bosch 1300ace is now discontinued, ....

Hey??? I lifted that pic off a site that had them for sale. :confused:

[craigb]

So I take it that Triton is going to release a new router.

It even sounds like one or two of you have seen it. So what's the story?

Or should I just check the Triton forum? ;)

[redwood]

:D

And the new model comes with the "lassie go home" feature so each week it breaks it automatically limps back to the supplier to be replaced:p

Whatever will they think of next

dazzler

Awww daz. the round thingy in the middle at the base spins around just like all the others. iv had mine for 4 months and it hasnt missed a beat. most of my tools are gmc and i rekon they are excelent value for money:D

[Wongo]

The Ozito's crapped themselves the first time I used them, never again Mr Ozito.

Iain, what were you thinking? Why did you pick up the damn thing in the first place?

[Sprog]

OK, well for the record, my thoughts on it are that most of the 1/2" routers are going to be top heavy like the Triton, although my 3612C is not TOO bad.

No, you are mistaken, the Triton router is not top heavy.
If you are having problems with a Triton router falling over then it is your technique not the fault of the router.

[Iain]

Iain, what were you thinking? Why did you pick up the damn thing in the first place?
Seemed like a good idea at the time, just bought them for a dedicated Gifkin table, never again.

[Slavo]

So I take it that Triton is going to release a new router.
It even sounds like one or two of you have seen it. So what's the story?
Or should I just check the Triton forum? ;)
If you want to know what products a certain Australian company are bringing out, check out their US website:rolleyes:
http://www.grendels-lair.net/tritontools/product_desc.php?ID=MOF001KC

[Greg Q]

On that PDF file of the product spesc for the new Triton router is the GMC logo. Did they buy Triton? I see that the machine is made in PRC, so my
"Buy Australian" itch hasn't been exactly scratched by this thing either.

Best

Greg

[Gumby]

So I take it that Triton is going to release a new router.

It even sounds like one or two of you have seen it. So what's the story?

Or should I just check the Triton forum? ;)

There has been a bit in the Triton forum about it. I've picked one up and had a good look. Well worth the short wait. I think they are due out early January although there has been talk in the Triton forum that you can place orders for them already, they just aren't on the shelves yet.

[silentC]

No, you are mistaken, the Triton router is not top heavy.
If you are having problems with a Triton router falling over then it is your technique not the fault of the router.
I never said I was! I've actually never even picked a Triton router up. You missed my point. I think a heavy duty 1/2" router and a light weight 1/4" router are a good combination. :rolleyes:

[mat]

If the new triton router is made in the PRC rather than Taiwan this probably says something about the quality

[Greg Q]

Well, not always. I think that the Chinese are capable of producing rockets or rejects, all depends on price. Go buy a new $40K Altendorf and see where most of it is made. More alarming to me than PRC is GMC who, it seems, are in the business of making Father's Day gifts.

The above is soley my opinion, and not intended in any way to sway you nor to reflect poorly on GMC, China or global trade.

[craigb]

Well I've been over to the Triton forum and checked the "new tools" thread.

The new router looks good. I'll look forward to seeing one "in the flesh".

Anybody know what the rrp is going to be?

[Iain]

My major grizzle with GMC is the novelty factor of a bloody laser on almost everything, not that it costs a great deal but shouldn't they concentrate their efforts more on quality rather than, as a friend of mine puts it, 'dick value' (usually referring to trade in valuations on BMW versus Honda).
I do have four GMC items, the biscuit jointer which works well, and a little ROS for when I can't be bothered hooking up the Rotex to the vac etc, 2x 1020 Routers which I must admit are quite good and not that noisy.

[redwood]

There has been a bit in the Triton forum about it. I've picked one up and had a good look. Well worth the short wait. I think they are due out early January although there has been talk in the Triton forum that you can place orders for them already, they just aren't on the shelves yet.


So has the time finally arived. Are the administrators of this forum going to corectly rename the Triton forum to the corect title GMC forum:)

[RufflyRustic]

I bought the http://www.makita.com.au/catalogue/d...hp?tmodel=3620 (http://www.makita.com.au/catalogue/dsptool.php?tmodel=3620) makita about 2, jeez maybe 3 years ago now for $250 from Mitre10 and love it! It's just the right weight for me to use, lift etc. I have very little problem changing the bits, but need to remember to keep cleaning the gunk off it so the plunge part works smoothly. The only thing I don't like is that the plastic see-thru protector gets scratched too easily.

My best power tool buy!

cheers
RufflyRustic

[Rocker]

Ruffly,

I bought one this morning from Trade Tools for $235, so you have warmed the cockles of my Scottish heart.:D

Rocker

[MurrayD99]

I have the Makita 3601B (the non-plunge one with the "D" handle). It has been discontinued, might still be some around at a good price. It is a fine machine.

[Gumby]

Well I've been over to the Triton forum and checked the "new tools" thread.

The new router looks good. I'll look forward to seeing one "in the flesh".

Anybody know what the rrp is going to be?

I think they said around the $190 mark. Not exactly sure though, we looked at quite a few goodies that day. I may be getting confused with the new 7 1/4" saw.

I remember thinking it was quite a bit less than the big one though.

[RETIRED]

I own 7 Hitachi TR12's. Great routers that take punishment.

A little tip for hand held work with a Hitachi. Turn the handles over and reverse them, much better control.

[Greg Q]

My major grizzle with GMC is the novelty factor of a bloody laser on almost everything, not that it costs a great deal but shouldn't they concentrate their efforts more on quality rather than, as a friend of mine puts it, 'dick value' (usually referring to trade in valuations on BMW versus Honda).
I......

In the words of John Lennon, "It's all dick."

[Just George]

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Hey??? I lifted that pic off a site that had them for sale. :confused:

They are still for sale at Bunnings, can't remember the price though. :confused:

[Just George]

Seemed like a good idea at the time, just bought them for a dedicated Gifkin table, never again.

When using the Gifkins Jig, the only Router to use is the Triton due to the ease in bit changing, and ease in height adjustment.

[aiwoz]

Caveat Emptor;)

[Just George]

I think they said around the $190 mark. Not exactly sure though, we looked at quite a few goodies that day. I may be getting confused with the new 7 1/4" saw.

I remember thinking it was quite a bit less than the big one though.

I think as you said you are getting it confused with the saw. From memeory, the router was going to a more than the $190 mark you said but as someone said the other day somewhere here, the Jigsaw was cheaper than we were told recently so hopefully the Router too will be cheaper than I was told. Fingers crossed for a good price!

[Sprog]

I never said I was! I've actually never even picked a Triton router up. You missed my point. I think a heavy duty 1/2" router and a light weight 1/4" router are a good combination. :rolleyes:


OK, well for the record, my thoughts on it are that most of the 1/2" routers are going to be top heavy like the Triton :

Sorry my mistake, I can't think how I made that assumption :D

[Wongo]

Sprong, you are just so prepared to defend the Triton router.:D But like it or not it is heavy. I am not saying it is bad; I am not say that it is the heaviest out there but it is heavy.

[craigb]

Sprong, you are just so prepared to defend the Triton router.:D But like it or not it is heavy. I am not saying it is bad; I am not say that it is the heaviest out there but it is heavy.

Yes. And as an owner of one I can say; great in the table, too cumbersome for hand held work.

Hence the thread question.

[NewLou]

Gidday :)

In the lighter 2HP range For me I could't go past the Dewalt 621. I like it better its other 2HP counterparts & for me is a lot more comfortable. The 621 is straight from the stable of Elu professed to be one of the greatest router makers of all time!!!!

My journey to date with the 621 can be found here:

http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=15178

AFter using it solidly for the past 9 months or so I can highly recommend it. Check out some of the woodworking shows n pay for programs you'll see the 621 used x tensively by the x perts (MArksey uses his all the time)

Coupled with some of Pat Warners round and offset subbases you have what I believe to be the most versatile 2HP plung router on the market. For me its the best 'All round' router there is and is second to none!!!

REgards Lou:D

[routermaniac]

I think the "best router" is a very personal choice. I have also been on the lookout for number 4 router (2GMC and 1 triton in the routertable) for handheld use. I have picked up the usual culprits and my feelings are that there doesnt seem to be a router in the $200-400 range that I would recommend without hesitation.

I know Lou has been very happy with his Dewalt and on that recommendation I tried one out the other day but I am still not sure about the best way to go.

In terms of build quality, I must say I was not very impressed with the DEWALT 621 I saw, it was about the same as an above average chinese router... The advantage is that it has the variable speed which the TR12 an the baby makita lack.

The Bosch router already mentioned is a top router but a bit on the heavy side for handheld use (however probably the best built router with a lot of features in that price bracket)... someone mentioned that they no longer make it and that will be a problem I suppose when trying to source parts... (Bunnings still sells the Bosch)

The Triton is a bit too heavy for handheld use but there is a promise of the new lighter model coming out soon... just not sure I would be spending $200 for a router made in China (if it was made in Taiwan... maybe).

To cut a long story short, I don't think any of the routers mentioned are perfect for handheld use, the Festool is nice but most of us have a limited budget.

What am I going to do? I will wait for the triton and see... If it is a great router and has warranty to back it up, I will consider it, otherwise I think I am going down the makita path this time. Despite popular opinion I would not buy GMC again, they do work (not very well at that) but I'd like something better built given that its rotating tungsten blades at 20,000rpm! :eek:

That is of course my opinion only and others will disagree.

[Iain]

As someone said earlier.............

[sinjin1111]

Hi has anyone had a look at these.Are they availablein Aust
http://www.epinions.com/hmgd-Shop_Tools-All-Bosch_Tools_Router_Combo_Pack_1617PK

[craigb]

Good feedback so far folks, keep it coming. :)

Does nobody own an ELU or Trend router?

[RufflyRustic]

Ruffly,

I bought one this morning from Trade Tools for $235, so you have warmed the cockles of my Scottish heart.:D

Rocker

Thanks Rocker, any time! :D

Would be interested in hearing what you think of your new Makita when you've had a chance to play with it.

cheers
RufflyRustic

[redwood]

Good feedback so far folks, keep it coming. :)

Does nobody own an ELU or Trend router?

i have an older mof177 i think its the one based on the dewalt lou got. the only difference is the plunge leavers work the opposit way. mine you press the leaver and plunge and release the leaver to lock. the newlous ones you plunge and then press the leaver to lock. the elu is whisper quiet. on the lower speeds you could turn it on beside a sleeping baby and not wake it:)

[mat]

Routermaniac

Why would you want a hand held router with variable speed? Sure you need it for larger bits in a router table situation, but if buying a dedicated hand held machine why do you need variable speed? Surley you wouldn't use the large router bits in a hand held mode?:eek:

[redwood]

Routermaniac

Why would you want a hand held router with variable speed? Sure you need it for larger bits in a router table situation, but if buying a dedicated hand held machine why do you need variable speed? Surley you wouldn't use the large router bits in a hand held mode?:eek:


sharp blade + high speed on changing blackwood grain = horible tearout:(
sharp blades + lower speed on changing blackwood grain = beautifull cut:)

[routermaniac]

I think redwood has answered that one really well :) From my experience even with the smaller bits you can reduce tearout in some timbers by adjusting the speed down. I am not talking about getting a bit to spin down to 3000rpm though :eek:

[Rocker]

Thanks Rocker, any time! :D

Would be interested in hearing what you think of your new Makita when you've had a chance to play with it.

cheers
RufflyRustic

Ruffly,

I am very happy with my new Makita 3620, which I found to be ideal for routing the beads in the edge of my table top. See http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?p=241166#post241166 .

Rocker

[sinjin1111]

For really heavy work....like 20mm rad. cutters i use a Scheer.
Fixed in place i have 2 old MOF 11 Elu's..really solid machines.
Light work i use a Elu MOF 96.

i think japanes machine value for moeny are the way to go. But in just about every area the European machine are just that better made.

Better fences. way better collete systems. Better rise and fall machining. Better Dynamic motor balancing. generallt better depth of plunge. As for variable speed..i think if you place around with a good varible speed machine ina shed one you will quickly see why its a great advantage. No burning no tear cut..better finish all round.

Sinjin

[dazzler]

Awww daz. the round thingy in the middle at the base spins around just like all the others. iv had mine for 4 months and it hasnt missed a beat. most of my tools are gmc and i rekon they are excelent value for money:D

Hi Red

If your happy that is fine. :D Value can be judged in a number of ways. Value to me is not cost but other things such as how the tools performs, feels and lasts. I have used GMC stuff in the past and gave them up as a bad joke :mad: (taught me not to be a tight a&^%:p ) eg:

14v cordless - batteries lasted 30min b4 needing recharging, lasted total 2 months b4 no longer holding a charge. Replaced under warranty twice. Still same.

GMC jigsaw with laser - cuts constantly at an angle. Wont track true. Replaced once. New same. Now gathering dust.

Like most things you pays your money and takes your chance. At least GMC have that 2yr warranty thing. But for me the whole GMC thing leaves me feeling empty....:o. Like when you pick up at the RSL.......you know its not good for you;) .


cheers

dazzler

[Auld Bassoon]

Like when you pick up at the RSL.......you know its not good for you;) .


cheers

dazzler

:D Mate, you'll be dodging bullets for a while for that one :D

[redwood]

Like when you pick up at the RSL.......you know its not good for you;) .
cheers

dazzler

Iv never thought if it was or wasnt good for me, you will have me thinking next time:rolleyes:

and on gmc, if u look above i also have a elu mof 177 which is heaven on a cord. but have 3 gmc with permanent bits - flush trim- straight-small roundover. all i can say is praiseeee the lord for good cheap crap :D

[John Saxton]

Picked up another Bosche 1300 ACE router from my local Mitre 10 a couple months ago real cheap,my second one and is a preferred router for hand guided use.
LIKE the first one I bought some years back at a WW show these routers are comfortable to use over a protracted time and light enough with all the power and facilities required for hand use as far as I'M concerned.

I did'nt ask as they had it on a special clearance table so assumed they were just clearing old stock,now makes sense if they are now no longer available if due to Bosche changing their marketing strategies here in OZ.

Cheers:)

[Ratbag]

Opinions sought:

O.K. I've done a search but I still want to ask:

What is the BEST router for hand held work?

The Hitachi M12V seems to me to suffer from the same problem as the Triton, ie it's too big to be comfortable for hand held use.

How about the Makita 3612c? It seems to be a pretty hefty beast too.

What about ELU?

Any others?

The best router ever made for hand held use is/was the ELU MOF96E. Nothing before or since has even come close to the ideal balance of heft, adjustability, system accessories and sheer quality feel of the original ELU's.

To the person who stole mine and its sister 177: a pox on you, your ancestors and your offspring. May you burn in hell.

[Flowboy]

Hi,

Just my two cents as a babe in the woods. I have a Triton 2500w on a Triton bench and love it. I have just acquired two Makita 3612C's and looked seriously at the Festool 2000E. Iwant the soft start, not necessarily the adjustable speed for work on a Leigh D4R and FMT jigs.
Incidentally, MIK have 200 Guide bush adapters #703 on order. This just happens to be the bush required for the Makita, Hitachi and Ryobi routers.
That makes me think that these three must, in some order, be almost the top 3 for sales. I agree that so long as the thingy spinning in the hole at the bottom keeps going round and round, whats the problem. I guess I like my thingies to go round and round consistently and for longer.

Regards all,

Rob

Rob

[Lignum]

The best router ever made for hand held use is/was the ELU MOF96E. Nothing before or since has even come close

:D :D I have a MOF 96E :D :D got it secondhand six years ago and yes its the BEST router ever made bar none. I had a bad judgment day a month ago and passed up on a secondhand 177 for $250 couldnt stop thinking about it and went back next day and it was gone:( stupid, stupid, stupid me. If any forum members ever see either ELU MOF router you MUST buy it on the spot, then you will understand what a real router is all about.

[Mirboo]

I've got a Festool OF1010 that I rather like.

Regards,
Mirboo.

[Ratbag]

The Japanes talk about the "spirit" or inner life in their hand tools (Gojo??). They believe that the smith imparts the tool with some of his spirit in the making. While I'm loath to make similar comparisons about a power tool, the small Elu comes closest as any machine ever could to having an inner spirit.

Yes, yes I know... what a wanker! Commie pinko nancy-boy tree hugger!! However, just ask an owner of one of these tools and you'll get an uncannily similar reply. When you're doing some freehand letter-writing, or delicate work that requires the ultimate in concentration. This little tool becomes an extension of your hands. You just seem able to "think" the tool around the workpiece, the plunges are almost imperceptibly smooth, and the controls (excepting the speed dial) are right where they should be without you even having to think, let alone look, for them. In a word, sublime.

Mine was stolen, and replaced with an Elu 97E/DeWalt 621. This promised much: system compatibility, more power, greater plunge capacity, 1/2" collets, better dust extraction and less noise, and I suppose it delivered on the promise. But where's the balance? Why can't the fence adjust smoothly? Why do I have to keep my eye on to tool rather than the workpiece? I know which one I'd rather have.

[damienhazo]

Hi guys, I just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents on this one...

My current router situation is as follows:

2 x Makita 3600 BR
2 x Makita 3612 BR
1 x Makita 3701
1 x Felisatti R346EC (METABO Of E 1812)
1 x ELU MOF 96 E (TREND T5)
1 x ELU MOF 96 (AEG OF 50)
1 x Piece of cheap Chinese #### from the local hardware pharmacyThe Makitas are simply indistructable. Change the dust sealed bearings in the bottom and top every few years and they just keep on going. They develop plenty of power and will destroy the workpiece and router bit before they slow up. Ideal for bench-mounting. TIP: Don't forget to remove the springs so you're not struggling to push it up. Building your own plunge bar also makes life easier!

The Makita 3701 gives me a hard-on everytime I get that sexy little bitch in my hands. Zero vibration and great for recessing hinges and the like.

The big Felisatti is okay. Soft start/variable speed/80mm plunge/spindle lock and fine adjuster for the fence, but the bottom end isn't powder-coated and there's simply too much play in it to be considered top of the line.

The ELU 96 E is simply a dream. I recently changed the top and bottom bearings and it's unbelievable. The soft start is so good you don't even know it's on. The plunge is smooth and the weight minimal. The electronic speed control is a little bit susceptible to interference through dust but easy to blow clean. The newer models have improved positioning and seal. This model is the same as the AEG OF 50, the DeWalt of course, and the Trend T5. The latter means it can be seamlessly used with Trend jigs such as the Dovetail 600 etc.
The Chinese #### is good for jigs. I built up a system for machining rounded doors and it's good enough for sitting in the sled. I bypassed the pressure switch and cut a lamp switch into the cord. Truth be told, these things aren't bad for the money...

I've tested G (blue industrial) Bosch machines and found them to be lacking. Bosch's expertise lies in jigsaws and rotary hammers. The Hitachi is a solid allrounder but lacks finesse. The Ryobi is good model for those wanting a 'cheap but reliable' with all the functions. The middle-sized Metabos aren't bad (Of E 10 and Of E 1229 Signals) and about the only decent router they build. Trend's T11 and 10s are top. Lots of nice features and acurately machined. I don't have any experience with Triton so I can't comment. The Yank-built Porter Cable is pretty good and the Yanks have been busy building accessories for it. The Router Lift from Woodpeckers: http://www.newwoodworker.com/reviews/wdpkprlrvu.html is a classic example. I'm in Germany so I have no idea if you can get them in Oz...
It's been said here before and I have to agree - you can't go past the Festos. Taking out the dough to buy one must be akin to passing a kidney stone, but they are simply unbeatable if you can afford them.

Here is my personal list of things to watch out for when choosing a router:

One handed plunge test:
If you can operate the plunge with one hand, the play is minimal and it's a good sign of top machining.
Cast fence (newer routers):
If the fence is a piece of bent steel - not die cast - it's probably a cheapy
Over spinning:
When a new machine is turned on, it should run smooth over at least 20 seconds at full speed without any load. If it feels like it doesn't like it, the bearings are probably cheap.
Soft start
A cap to lock on the pressure switch for mounted work
Fine adjuster on the fence
Spindle lock
Extraction nozzle plastic:
The quality should be good enough that it is solid and flexible. Cheaper extractions crack quickly.
Spare parts:
The machine should be from a manufacturer that can quickly deliver spare parts such as bearings and glide plates.
Collet compatability:
It's nice when they come with different sizes (reductions if you buy a 12mm or 1/2 inch). If they don't, you should at least make sure they can be bought and for what price. Depending on the collet, they can cost 25% or more of what the entire machine costs.So that's about it. I didn't read all the threads so I hope I haven't regurgitated someone elses 2 bob. Hope the info is useful to someone.

Damien

[Paul H]

That's more like a dollars worth than 2 cents!

[doug the slug]

That's more like a dollars worth than 2 cents!

i hope he gives change:D :D :D :D

[Lignum]

This thread should be renamed "Whats the second best hand held router" Its evidant that those of us lucky enough to own, or have used an ELU MOF96E or its little sister the MOF177 know they are head and shoulders above any other router ever. And Damiens quote on the MOF`s soft start is spot on. Its just the smoothest start up and just whispers along. On the slow speeds you realy dont know if its on, its that quiet and smooth.


But his quote





The Makita 3701 gives me a hard-on everytime I get that sexy little bitch in my hands. Zero vibration and great for recessing hinges and the like.


Damien

has prompted me to go and revisit one of these Makitas:)

[martink]

There is a Bosch with variable speed that is about 1300 watts & the man at the local Glenfords says that it would be his pick for a handheld job.
I haven't tried it, I've got a big hitachi & little but very loud AEG.

• 1,300W motor (1-3/4” Hp). (240 Volt)
• 12mm(1/2”) collet cap.
• Variable speed range.
• Fine depth adjustment.
• Provision for dust extraction.


http://www.justtools.com.au/images/gof1300.jpg

Yep, got myself one of these babies, is great, never says die, not too top heavy at all, easy to hold and manage. Even survived being accidently dropped on the concrete a couple of times:eek:

Martin.

[Shannon Nash]

I have owned a makita 3612, Hitachi M12V, ELU MOF96e, ELU 177e, Festo OF900E, Triton 2400W and A casals FT2000VCE.

My two cents.

3612 (7 years ago) was the Jap made model so pure. Variable speed made me change. Excellent template guides, hand tightened the collet one day, got distracted, used the router looked for spanner (still in draw) but quality of collet (double locking meant the bit did not move).

Hitachi nice to hold, VS excellent, Collet Crap. Too shallow and three slit collet means not even tightening on the bit until a forceful spanner tightening. Plunge a little ordinary.

Both Elu's pretty good. I had the festo at the same time as the smaller ELU and think the festo is far superior. The single handed use (drill type grip of the little festo is spot on. Lack of parts for elu repair replace is a bit of a concern.

Triton a bit too bulky and top heavy for my liking and collet same problems as Hitachi.

Casals (Freud in some parts of the world) is great. Execllent collets (yes 1/2" and 1/4" not sleeves), extra tapped holes in base so you don't have to remove base plate to move from table to handheld, depth winder, dust hood.

Anyway Festo OF900E I beleive is the sweetest router ever. Esp if you picked it up with 1.4m guide rail in as new secondhand cond for $250.

Cheers and good luck router hunting!!

[Slavo]

What router did you decide on Craig?

[derekcohen]

Its evidant that those of us lucky enough to own, or have used an ELU MOF96E or its little sister the MOF177 know they are head and shoulders above any other router ever.

I have had the electronic version, the Elu 177e, for the past 10 years. Incidentally, it is NOT the "little sister" - it is the Big Boy!!! The 96E is the little one. The 177e looks as good and works as well as the day I got it. It was my choice over the large Festo as the time - the Elu just had a superior balance and the springs worked more smoothly.

I have a small 2 hp Makita for delicate work, but I always return to the large Elu. There is a fixed-base GMC in my router table.

But the Best Hand Held Router is this.......

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:D :D :D

Regards from Perth

Derek

[damienhazo]

How do you get the bit spinning fast enough?;)

[Groggy]

How do you get the bit spinning fast enough?;)Why, you stand still of course. Don't you know the world revolves around neanders? :p

Seriously though, I recently got the same router and it is just a very nice thing to own and use, much better than the original Stanley version. You can also use it at midnight without the neighbor throwing things at you.

[damienhazo]

You can also use it at midnight without the neighbor throwing things at you.

Use your 'real' router, then you'd be well and truly finished before it even gets dark!

Oh yeh baby! And Hazo collects points from all the judges on that one, while the darksiders kick themselves for exposing their soft and flabby bits....

[Ivan in Oz]

When using the Gifkins Jig, the only Router to use is the Triton due to the ease in bit changing, and ease in height adjustment.
I'm just browsing.
I have imagined that anyone doing 'Serious' Gifkin Work would have 2 Routers set up so as NOT to have to change Bits:confused: :o

[Gumby]

I'm just browsing.
I have imagined that anyone doing 'Serious' Gifkin Work would have 2 Routers set up so as NOT to have to change Bits:confused: :o
If you can afford the cost and space to have 2 router tables and 2 Triton routers, fine. But I see no point in it. The bits are so easy to change it's not an issue having one.

[Iain]

Have to disagree with gumbo, two routers on a dedicated table is not overly expensive, the advantage is, with a gifkin jig, you can attack the dovetail from one side and the straight bit from the other so the two do not conflict.
Sorry Gumby:o

[Gumby]

Have to disagree with gumbo, two routers on a dedicated table is not overly expensive, the advantage is, with a gifkin jig, you can attack the dovetail from one side and the straight bit from the other so the two do not conflict.
Sorry Gumby:o
That's OK mate. I respect your opinion. Even if it's incorrect :D :D :D

[Bobthequill]

Well, being a rank hammer chewer with Routers and needing to cut some special depth door rebates, I went down to Big W and purchased a run out sale 1500watt PMX (Chinese) router for $30. (I bought a PMX 24volt rechageable drill last year which has given excellent service and even that only cost $62).The Router came with the usual 5 bit kit, three adapters and a box of attachments. Runs from 11000 to 26000 rpm smooth as anything. First job it did was to cut its own profile into a piece of MDF table top. I now have a reasonably sturdy router bench that can fold up to go in the car boot. Not as good as Bodgy's of course. It did the rebates with no problem and has since done a fair amount of barge board profiling. I am now looking round for a similar $30 dovetailing jig, but I don't fancy me chances.
If the thing wears out in a year, I will still be ahead. Granted, its a bit big for hand held fiddly work but I'm not steady enough for that anyway.
Dunno why you guys pay so much?

Bobthequill

[MurrayD99]

Well, being a rank hammer chewer with Routers and needing to cut some special depth door rebates, I went down to Big W and purchased a run out sale 1500watt PMX (Chinese) router for $30.... ... its a bit big for hand held fiddly work but I'm not steady enough for that anyway.
Dunno why you guys pay so much?

Bobthequill

We love the scream of fine machinery........ 'sides, at a cocktail party, yer can't admit to some things.

[Schtoo]

I have a Makita RP0910.

Take the Makita 3620, give it a better plunge, built in dust port, fine adjustment doohickey, a little more power, lots less noise and a better looks and you got my router.


Difficult to really fault it, except it only goes up to 8mm in collet size.


Which is why I am giving serious thought to something a little bigger and angrier.

Bob, the Mak was about $200.

Worth every cent today, and in 20 years time when it will still be ticking. And by that time you might have bought 20 or more of them hunks of junk to do less precise, noisier and uglier work than what something decent will do without breaking a sweat.

And I should retain all my extremities in good working order. No garantees with something cheap and nasty. ;)