ajh 11th February 2006, 09:40 AM :confused:
Can anyone help me ? - Does the new MOF001 smaller router from Triton use the same 2 keyhole slot mounting system onto the RTA300 Router table as the older TBA001 Router does ?.
The idea of being able to mount the router by the two keyhole slots appeals to me - compared to trying to set up the four triton screw clamps
which always seem to foul some part of a ( non-Triton) routers controls.
I cannot seem to get a very clear answer from Triton UK on this - and I don't really want to buy one and then find out it does not use the same mounting system as the older TBA001.
Hopefully someone can help me ?.
Stuart 11th February 2006, 11:22 AM I'm 99% positive that it does. But that 1% I can't be sure of without actually trying it out.
However, if the worst came to the worst, it is easy to make new slots. I did this for the router sled for x routing on the workcentre - check www.tritonwoodworkers.org.au for details on this mod.
dalejw 11th February 2006, 12:23 PM :confused:
Can anyone help me ? - Does the new MOF001 smaller router from Triton use the same 2 keyhole slot mounting system onto the RTA300 Router table as the older TBA001 Router does ?.
The idea of being able to mount the router by the two keyhole slots appeals to me - compared to trying to set up the four triton screw clamps
which always seem to foul some part of a ( non-Triton) routers controls.
I cannot seem to get a very clear answer from Triton UK on this - and I don't really want to buy one and then find out it does not use the same mounting system as the older TBA001.
Hopefully someone can help me ?.
Just bought the router and the table and I can confirm it does.
doug the slug 11th February 2006, 11:37 PM Just bought the router and the table and I can confirm it does.
Yes - i can also state that based on my observations it does, however, go into bunnies or whatever your local equivalent is, and hold the bases of the two routers together! the new router has a smaller base and the locating lugs are therefore located closer to the edge and are hence mounted less securely. anyone else noted that the box forthe 1400w router is as big as the tra001 box?
this new router isnt really any smaller than the original when you look at it. if i was to make a choice now i couldnt justify the new router, theres no saving there when you can have the old one for a few dollars more
ajh 12th February 2006, 09:06 AM Many thanks for all your helpful comments guys !.
Regarding Doug the Slug' s comment that there wasn't really an advantage with the new MOF001 router - I had thought that the through the table height adjuster would be a big advantage - or No ?.
I am not really that experienced with using routers yet so maybe I am picking up on the wrong " sales plus points" in the advertising.
Anyway thanks to all for your help - it is much appreciated :)
doug the slug 12th February 2006, 09:42 AM Regarding Doug the Slug' s comment that there wasn't really an advantage with the new MOF001 router - I had thought that the through the table height adjuster would be a big advantage - or No ?.
Fair call, the through the table height adjustment would be nice, but i would rather have the extra power of the big router and the minor inconvenience of reaching under the table
outback 12th February 2006, 10:26 AM That poses the question Doug, how much power do you need?
There is little doubt we have all been frustrated by under powered tools, cars and women. 1400 Watts seems big enough to spin all but the largest of panel raising bits to me.
I own neither of the Triton routers. I have a GMC mounted more or less permanently in a table. When it dies I will get a Triton. At this stage the smaller model appeals on the basis of the winder system. If, however someone can give me some clear advice that I need the bigger one, the extra cost won't be a factor.
Just George 12th February 2006, 11:36 AM That poses the question Doug, how much power do you need?
There is little doubt we have all been frustrated by under powered tools, cars and women. 1400 Watts seems big enough to spin all but the largest of panel raising bits to me.
I own neither of the Triton routers. I have a GMC mounted more or less permanently in a table. When it dies I will get a Triton. At this stage the smaller model appeals on the basis of the winder system. If, however someone can give me some clear advice that I need the bigger one, the extra cost won't be a factor.
How about price, sure the smaller router is $288 but then you have to buy the through the table winder and they are about $50 - $60(I can't remember off the top of my head). So until you buy the winder you will be adjusting the height of the small router under the table in exactly the same way as you would the larger router. The winder kit does not come with the router, it is seperate.
So you are looking at around $350 for the small router and winder, and the winder controls the microadjuster so for alot of movement you will have to reach under the tavle anyway and while you are there grab the microadjuster. It'll save you reaching for the winder key every time yuou need a fine adjustment.
doug the slug 12th February 2006, 11:58 AM That poses the question Doug, how much power do you need?
There is little doubt we have all been frustrated by under powered tools, cars and women. 1400 Watts seems big enough to spin all but the largest of panel raising bits to me.
Well i do have a large panel raising bit but even that could probably be used on a 1400w router, in small stages, as you do anyway. BUT, i would rather be using a 2400w router at half its capacity than thrashing a 1400w router trying to get more out of it.
Outback, you made the analogy of an underpowered car. a big 4wd is going to outlast and outperform a small family sedan if you use it for towing a two tonne trailer around for a living, isnt it.
outback 12th February 2006, 12:20 PM George, My reasons for posting and following "which router" type threads is, as I pointed out, I will need one, probably sooner than later. Your point regarding the winder being a separate unit is one reason why. I was unaware of this. Thanks for the heads up.
Doug, back to cars, I agree regarding the towing bit. Is a large panel raising bit a 2 tonne boat on a trailer, or a 6 X 4 with some firewood. You don't need a big four wheel drive for the latter, but God help you if you pull on the first in the 2nd hand Datsun 120Y. :D Just how much power do you need for a given bit size? I haven't been able to find anything definitive. Until I do I can't make a definite decision. It was so much easier with only the one Trton router.
doug the slug 12th February 2006, 01:48 PM Your point regarding the winder being a separate unit is one reason why. I was unaware of this. Thanks for the heads up.
I saw them the other day at Bunnings. you buy the height winder along with the template guides, there wasnt a price marked on them. a good marketing ploy to get you to buy the template guides, wqhich also fit the big triton router apparrently. and i suppose thats a good marketing ploy to get owners of the big router to buy the winding handle that wont fit their router
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Just how much power do you need for a given bit size? I haven't been able to find anything definitive.
Well i suppose there is no defiinitive answer. it depends on density of the timber, depth of pass, size of bit, feed rate, and to some extent skill of operator. brute force wont completely make up for lack of skills but it will go part of the way and thats why i like the big router.
Anyway my guess is if you wait a few months the big router will come out with an above the table height winder too
dalejw 12th February 2006, 03:57 PM Yes - i can also state that based on my observations it does, however, go into bunnies or whatever your local equivalent is, and hold the bases of the two routers together! the new router has a smaller base and the locating lugs are therefore located closer to the edge and are hence mounted less securely. anyone else noted that the box forthe 1400w router is as big as the tra001 box?
this new router isnt really any smaller than the original when you look at it. if i was to make a choice now i couldnt justify the new router, theres no saving there when you can have the old one for a few dollars more
If it was a few dollars that would be one thing but it's $90. I can't see how the lugs closer to the edge makes it less secure mounting.
I reckon there is a significant size difference. The most notable part of it being a lighter motor that sits closer to the work piece (hence lower center of gravity).
I really struggled with the choice between the 2 routers but so far I'm really happy with my decision.
Just George 12th February 2006, 05:46 PM George, My reasons for posting and following "which router" type threads is, as I pointed out, I will need one, probably sooner than later. Your point regarding the winder being a separate unit is one reason why. I was unaware of this. Thanks for the heads up.
You are welcome for the help, I think they should have added the winder in with the router, after all, the box is big enought aparently.
Spud1598 21st June 2006, 04:53 AM I just got told that the height winder along with the template guides are included in the price (UK £240.00) Now I am begining to question this?
TritonJapan 21st June 2006, 08:46 AM The Routers are packeged differently in different markets.
Some markets include the accessories, others offer them as an optional pack.
Not sure how the U.K. offers theirs.
Steve
woody62 21st June 2006, 02:17 PM Both routers have the same keyways and locations for quick fit to the router table
lyctus 29th June 2006, 08:35 PM Just read the review in Fine Woodworking from the US on the MOF001 Router and it indicated that the height winder and template guide kit was included with the router. Nice to see GMC are looking after us Aussies eh ? The quoted 'street price' translates to around $A285 give or take a bad day on the intl. money markets, so what has GMC got to say about that ?
Us aussie loyalists are paying some premium over our american cousins. Good one Triton.
TritonJapan 29th June 2006, 11:26 PM Pricing......
Boy, as the bloke who sets the retail price for the products in Japan, I wish it would be as easy as just having a standard world wide price.
Doesn't hapen though and probably never will. Makintosh computers are probably an acception though and it is doubtfull about the legality of it under Australian Law.
What is the same....
Price of product ex factory, except for country specific modifications and allowances for volume.
What is differrent.....
Transport, competition, overheads, competition, volume, competition, taxes, duties, wages, superannuation, health care benefits for staff, insurance, fuel, exchange rate risk management oh and competition.
If a finger was to be pointed at someone for price differrences betwen international markets, look toward J.M.Keynes, A.Smith and the othe wise guys who helped develope economic theory.
Could also have a go at them for giving the septics cheap gasoline compared to what Aussies pay, even though we refine our own.
At least Festool is just as cheap in Australia as it is in the US....wait, that is wrong too.
It may not seem fair, but I would rather live in Australia with its expensive bananas, dry dams and vast distances between pubs than in a country where fear is so dominant that .......... sorry, off the soap box and grab another valium.
Lyctus, the router is manufactured off shore, so there are no savings in the cost structure to be able to give mates rates. Like it or not, in Australia, manufacturers are not allowed to set the retail price and in the states, the volumes that are turned over in chains gives them economies of scale and negotiating power that is, well to be frank, the strongest in the world.
Steve
P.S. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Just have a close look through the wires.
Stuart 30th June 2006, 01:20 AM And just on that bananas point - why are we paying $12/kg, when NZ imports them and sells em for 75c/kg (and that is $NZ 0.75!!!!) Not planning on hijacking the thread, but I'm sure there was a better solution than just to allow the whole supply line to dry up because of crop loss. / rant off
Back on topic. Been playing with one of these recently MOF001 (handheld), and it really is a very nice unit. The quality, and innovations are very obvious. It is much lighter than its big brother, and gives much better control. It still has all the advantages of the big one (microadjuster, constant speed, through-base bit changing etc). 1400W seems to be plenty of power for most jobs.
TritonJapan 30th June 2006, 10:15 AM Thanks to the Japanese not importing US Beef, almost all types of meat are now cheaper in Japan than they are in Australia.
As for Bananas, they are imported from teh Phillipines and are dirt cheap here too. Could almost buy them from the supermarket and send them down under at the price Australians are paying.
The few hard working banana growers who did not lose their crops will have a year to remember and tell their grand kids about. Bit like Forest Gump's Shrimping boat.
That's economics. Not necessarily fair, but rewards those who are in a position to get the most from the situation they are in. The smart ones, find the good situations and gate crash.
Steve
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