Using the Domino

[TassieKiwi]

OK here goes......

I did the joint test. Took about 3 minutes, forgot the pic. Result - 2x 10x40 dominoes easily hold a 90+kg Kiwi standing, nay jumping on the 'weak' side of the join. No glue was used in this experiment.

No glue # 2....

Bought a home theatre in the weekend - the full monty:D . Needed a shelving setup in a hurry. Using 3 planks of T&G pine, some 200x50 offcuts, and a slab of Huon that I had laying about :cool: the shelves were made before the wife came back from her 40 minute walk. Unreal. Solid as, no glue. True.

I can not think of any other way that I could have done this as easily and quickly, without jigs etc.

Unreal.

SWMBO happy as, too. Unrealer. :D

[DJ’s Timber]

Do we get to see any pictures of the shelving setup
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Cheers DJ

[TassieKiwi]

Sure - tomorrow. Don't get your hopes up - they are temporary! (for, uuummmmmm, maybe 2 yrs:D )

Den

[dazzler]

mmmmmm....they sound awesome:)

do they make a darksider version:p

[TassieKiwi]

mmmmmm....they sound awesome:)

do they make a darksider version:p

Yep - marking out gear, a set of mortice chisels, paring chisels, mallet, tenon saw, shoulder plane - and a big bucket of old man Time.

:D

[Lignum]

Well done Dennis, welcom to the Lime and Darkside:D


Now you can fully understand why i am over the top in my praise and why i go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.................. and why everyone has to at least have a go and feel the magic.

Their simply has been no tool for decades to have an automatic impact on the practices of the every day woodie or the most hardend pro. ;)

[Auld Bassoon]

Yep - marking out gear, a set of mortice chisels, paring chisels, mallet, tenon saw, shoulder plane - and a big bucket of old man Time.

:D

Plus a goodly portion of simple enjoyment :)

[scooter]

Hey, Lig, do you have one of these things, mate?


Ah, just tish stirring (& jealous :D)

Good luck to all of you Dominees. :)


Cheers...................Sean

[Lignum]

Hey, Lig, do you have one of these things


Hey, Scoot, what might have given you that impression;) :D

[TassieKiwi]

Well done Dennis, welcom to the Lime and Darkside:D


Now you can fully understand why i am over the top in my praise and why i go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.................. and why everyone has to at least have a go and feel the magic.

Their simply has been no tool for decades to have an automatic impact on the practices of the every day woodie or the most hardend pro. ;)

Yes - I spent an hour or so last night re-designing the KS bed, which will now be put together 100% with dominos. You just have to think in a 20mm wide, round edged kind of way, and the rest follows. Can't wait to chew out those accurate wee slots everywhere, and assemble it. Day jobs are such a drag......

[TassieKiwi]

OK, don't laugh. I s'pose that I could have drilled & screwed - the 'spacers' were originaly going to be in line vertically which made the Domino a good choice, but as the T&G was 20mm I wanted to play with the through-tenon ability. :D

OK for a few minutes work anyway, considering the bed has taken 3 yrs.:eek:

[Lignum]

Looks good. How bout a close up. And how did you do it? from the top into it or from underneath. Throughdomis are brilliant arnt they. And because its such a beautifull fit they look realy nice as a decorative join:)

[MrFixIt]

Hi
OK, don't laugh. I s'pose that I could have drilled & screwed - the 'spacers' were originaly going to be in line vertically which made the Domino a good choice, but as the T&G was 20mm I wanted to play with the through-tenon ability. :D

OK for a few minutes work anyway, considering the bed has taken 3 yrs.:eek:I *still* have a problem accepting that the domino tool is *worth* $1200. I have no doubt that it is a good tool. However IMHO I feel that Festo are abusing the pricing structure just because it is new and a GOOD tool.

The home theatre shelving could also have been made with through dowels - sure you may need a jig of some sort - but then again the Domino is its own jig, after all you can't use the tool for something else (the same applies to a biscuit joiner etc).

At 2/3 the cost, $800, the tool becomes an acceptable purchase.

[Lignum]

HiI *still* have a problem accepting that the domino tool is *worth* $1200.

Mr Fix It:D Debating wether or not its worth the $$$$ is a lost cause on those WHO HAVE LASHED OUT WITH THE CASH. Yes it hurts, but only until you get it home and plug it in.

Those who think its to over the top, fair enough, just keep your dowel jig, bisc joiner and router by your side and be happy ever after and dont worry about the Dominatrix.

Some people like to own and drive a Lexus, some are content with a VW Combi, they ultimatly get you from A to B.

Us Domi owners are the privledged ones as we know what magic it weaves and the spell it casts. Its true Black and Lime Majic:)

[TassieKiwi]

Mr Fix It:D Debating wether or not its worth the $$$$ is a lost cause on those WHO HAVE LASHED OUT WITH THE CASH. Yes it hurts, but only until you get it home and plug it in.

Those who think its to over the top, fair enough, just keep your dowel jig, bisc joiner and router by your side and be happy ever after and dont worry about the Dominatrix.

Some people like to own and drive a Lexus, some are content with a VW Combi, they ultimatly get you from A to B.

Us Domi owners are the privledged ones as we know what magic it weaves and the spell it casts. Its true Black and Lime Majic:)

Indeed. As I drive a Kluger (a Lexus 330 wearing RM Williams), own a kombi and a Domino - where does that leave me?:confused: :D Who cares?

Seriously, I re-designed the current project for dominos - biscuits would do a few of the 100 odd joints only, dowels would not cut the mustard and besides - this tool is going to save me hours of precious shed time on this one project. I guess if it was called the 'Zero-error floating tenon machine on speed' it would be more accurate.

Bloody good fun too. What price is that warm fuzzy feeling that makes you smile? Say no to drugs - get a Domino!!!!!

[Stuart]

Hey Lignum - why don't you come along to the next club meeting (of the triton club at Holmesglen), and give us a demo & a play! We might even be able to get Scooter to come along again! I'm sure the guys would be interested in seeing it in action.

[TassieKiwi]

Oh he'll never let any mortals touch Domi:eek:

[Lignum]

Bloody good fun too. What price is that warm fuzzy feeling that makes you smile? Say no to drugs - get a Domino!!!!!




Now their is a quote and a half for Anthony to use on his web site:D

[Lignum]

why don't you come along to the next club meeting

Stuart if it dosnt clash with my timetable (read - busy) id be more than happy. Give me the next two dates and ill make sure i get to one of them. You never know, i might just let one ot two of you stroke her (from behind a ropped off barrier of course) :D

[TassieKiwi]

Now their is a quote and a half for Anthony to use on his web site:D

I see the 3-way got the gernsey (sp?) - good stuff.

[nt900]

Say no to drugs - get a Domino!!!!!
I did just have a big laugh at that one. :D

I was first surprised at Lignum using it on curved panels, now I am really surprised at TassiKiwi going night clubbing :cool: with a couple of Domino in his purse.:p

TassiKiwi - can I use it in the Domino section of the site? Serious!

[Carpenter]

HiI *still* have a problem accepting that the domino tool is *worth* $1200. I have no doubt that it is a good tool. However IMHO I feel that Festo are abusing the pricing structure just because it is new and a GOOD tool.

The home theatre shelving could also have been made with through dowels - sure you may need a jig of some sort - but then again the Domino is its own jig, after all you can't use the tool for something else (the same applies to a biscuit joiner etc).

At 2/3 the cost, $800, the tool becomes an acceptable purchase.

Mrfixit, stop bloody whinging about the price. We're swimming in a sea of crap tools & Festool are one of the few manufacturers left who make true industrial grade tools. They make unique problem solving equipment & the target market is proffessionals who can capitalise on the potential benefits they offer to productivity. Sure, a keen woodworker can buy them, but if you dont need this level of excellence & reliability go buy something more affordable; there's no shortage of that stuff around, in fact you're spoilt for choice. To understand the price, have a think about how much it must cost Festool to put this gear through the punishing testing they do. Think about how many versions of the Domino were made before they got to this one. This is big dollar capital expenditure & when the results are this good, I have no problem with them making a profit for their efforts because we are the ones who benefit. Just ask Lignum.

[Stuart]

Stuart if it dosnt clash with my timetable (read - busy) id be more than happy. Give me the next two dates and ill make sure i get to one of them. You never know, i might just let one ot two of you stroke her (from behind a ropped off barrier of course) :D July 16
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September 17

Details on where it is etc are probably easier to get of the website (link below), as it includes a map etc.

Hope you can make it - I am very curious to see what it is all about. (Not that I can afford one, but we can dream!). Someone this sold on a specific tool makes me very curious......why I don't already have one :)

[scooter]

... Just ask Lignum.

Noooooooooooooooooo :D :D :D :p :p :p

[TassieKiwi]

:D :D :D


BTW, go for your life Anthony. Just think kindly of me when I need some more dominos.:)

Den

[MrFixIt]

Hi
Mrfixit, stop bloody whinging about the price.You (and others) misunderstand me. I have no problem with Festool or their "other" pricing. Sure I KNOW Festool products are expensive. Sure I KNOW they are GOOD tools. If I could justify their price for my needs or made my living from woodwork I would be happy to pay the price for "quality" tools. This is NOT the problem.

To understand the price, have a think about how much it must cost Festool to put this gear through the punishing testing they do. Think about how many versions of the Domino were made before they got to this one. This is big dollar capital expenditure & when the results are this good, I have no problem with them making a profit for their efforts because we are the ones who benefit.I understand and agree with you, however it does still remain a fact, that the Domino tool *IS* overpriced. No matter what kiind of twist you put on it, or what "excuse" is made, the tool realistically cannot justify the price. Sure, as I said before, the Domino tool *IS* a good, no, a GREAT tool. IMHO this does not justify the overpricing - I guess the supply and demand *rules* here :D

Obviously purchasers see no problem with th price and that's great for them. However even this does NOT change the fact that the tool IS OVERPRICED! I am NOT whinging about the price, just stating (confirming) my thoughts on the price! The price does not bother me in any other way, I am not thinking thoughts of "oh I wish I could afford a Domino tool" as I am NOT about to "race out" and buy a Domino tool. Personally I would not buy one at the $800 price I stated in my previous post. I don't have the need for one. If I had a need for a Domino tool I *would* buy one, though I would *STILL* think it's overpriced :D

[TassieKiwi]

though I would *STILL* think it's overpriced :D

I don't wholly disagree with this. I think that almost everyone would think this, and that almost everyone, professional ww's and weekenders, would wrestle with the cost vs. benefit ratio. Then walk away. Then think of the time and motion study of assembling a piece with this new wee thingy. Then see a demonstration. Maybe look for other alternatives, and what equipment that is in their shop that does the equvalent, and how many steps are required, and how many moves machine to machine to achieve the same result, and how many minutes/hours/weeks of labour that this machine might save. Read this BB (which would seem the word authority at present in the english speaking world). Have a cup of tea and a lie down.

Then order one. Or maybe three. If lucky, there'll be one in stock (I got the last one Pat!!!!!)

After that, it's all smiles. I know that there is at least 21 workshops in this little town (of 25,000) that have the new Darklime (like it) baby and who must be right now re-assessing the way they join furniture and cabinets, developing brutally efficient methods I'm sure, and...smiling the whole while.

As to the cost - If I had developed a machine from a simple but brilliant concept, of excellent build quality from top-shelf materials, capable of thousands of repeatable accurate operations of precise guaranteed variable depth and width, executed in a superbly efficient manner, with clamps, stops and switches all working smoothly and positively, and I didn't release it until I thought it was perfect, and no-one else made one, and was quiet and drop-dead gorgeous to boot, and I couldn't make enough to keep up with the demand.........you get the picture.

Now, I wonder if I can really justify that Rotax........;)

Dennis

[Lignum]

Mr Fixit, what about a Lamello Top 20 at $1050 and as accurate as it is (and beautifull to use:o ) it sporned a generation of clones that can now be purchased for as little as $50 ? Is the Lamello still over priced ? One is just superb and the other is a joke. But their are great machines inbetween, the Dewalt and Portacable come to mind. But the concept and technology had to start somewhere and the Top20 is still the best by a mile. And as Carpenter corectly pointed out we all will benifit because in time (a short time i would guess) the concept will spread to other manufacturers and quality mid-range units will start to hit the market.

Or the Mafell Duo Joiner thats an incredable $1350 and can only plunge twin 9,5mm dia, 32mm spaced dowels, now GMC sell an identicle concept machine for $80. One of those is just stunning to use and the other is appaling. But as we all now know the Lamello killed of the Portable Dowler so choices are few and far between.

The Domino might be as you reckon "over priced" but who or what company has basicly invented a brand new and ingenius product that is set to do to the Lamello what the Lamello did to the Dowler. I know their will be Lamello Loyalists out their seething at that statement, but so were the Dowling traditionalists when the Lamello hit the market.

The amount of R&D and $$$$ Festool has put into development of this small machine would have been enormous. As a user, and Dennis and Patr will back me, its close to perfect as you could get. As well as the concept the quality and engeniring is just second to none. Its just so well thought out. A real Rolls Royce of the power tool market.

This machine is NOT overpriced. Its brand new cutting edge technology that is walking of the shelves here and in Europe. Festool carnt release it in the US until next year because they carnt make enough.

Its comparable to those who buy a Jet or the 10HB over the smaller $799 cabinet saws, are they over priced? they basicly do the same thing but try to get those owners to go back and use the cheaper saw.

In the begining i was like you saying it was overpriced for "just a power tool" but after using it for a few weeks its so clear its more than that. Its the final bit of magic that takes all your designing, stock preparation, sawing, routing, hand planing and fits it all together with such smooth and accurate ease.

So before you or anyone else out their wants to continue with the "overpriced" line, first go and have a demonstration and if possible try one at home for a day or two, then by all means come back and tell us that its "a fact" overpriced

But until then ill tell you. This is worth everyone of the hard earned 120000 cents that i paid for it:)

[Honorary Bloke]

G'day Lignum, G'day all,

Well, Lignum, you came over to the US forum and stirred us up about the Domino and then--left us at the altar. I've been following everyone's experiences and posts in these forums about the Domi and now I'm realizing we have 9 more months until we can get it.:mad: :mad:

I have also been reading with interest the pricing discussions regarding Festool and can sympathize. While we consider them to be very expensive over here, I don't think our prices compare with what you are paying. I suppose Festool are trying to establish the market for their products. You may not know, but very few Festool dealers here actually stock the items. They usually have one each to demo. You go to the dealer and he orders it directly from Festool USA and they ship it to you. And we have the same fixed dealer pricing as well. :(

I am only a hobbyist but I own the CT-22 and the OF1010 and thought I wanted the Rotex 150 next, but now my Porter-Cable ROS is starting to look pretty good to me after all and I want a Domi!

Curse you Lignum for a tease.

[Lignum]

Welcom to the forum Bob:D :D Hope to hear from you more. Gee 9 months is along time to wait, but thats standard delivery time for a new baby:D Until then you can pop in here and look at the pictures of our Domi`s and in the mean time you can prepare your workshop with a new coat of paint and a suitable and safe space for little Domi to rest :D

Interesting you say the Festool dealers only have one Domino and order the rest in. I know your population is heaps bigger than here, but our dealers had to "puchase" a minimun of four Dominos to gaurantee delivery. If you wernt sure and only wanted one unit, you had to take the gamble that their would be excess stock to get one. The dealer i got mine from sold his four with in two weeks.

[Richardwoodhead]

Bob, I've done a lot of International moves with electrical equipment. Order a Domino from overseas then use a step-down transformer, assuming it's 240v. Or get one at 110 v (if they're available) and get the plug changed.

Just an idea.

Richard

[TassieKiwi]

Whoa - No. 1 in the US with a Domino. There's an idea!

[Honorary Bloke]

Well, it might be nice to be the first US Domi father, I'll look into that idea. Thanks for the suggestion.:p

Meanwhile, after giving it some thought I suspect Festool wants dealers to order the tools from them so they can monitor the price at which they are sold. I don't know about OZ but here there is not a dealer around who would not cut the price somewhat if he thought he had excess inventory.

Now, if I can just get an OZ dictionary, I'll dip into some other forums as well. (Architrave sounds so much more elegant than "door trim."):D

[TassieKiwi]

Would seem to be a 'big brother' cartel here. Sad but true.

[scooter]

Would seem to be a 'big brother' cartel here. Sad but true.

Yeah, Tas, I hear you, I am finding these Domino owners really overbearing too...

Hang on, Tas, aren't you one? :D :D :D


Cheers.......................Sean, stupid is as stupid does

[TassieKiwi]

Yeah, Tas, I hear you, I am finding these Domino owners really overbearing too...

Hang on, Tas, aren't you one? :D :D :D


Cheers.......................Sean, stupid is as stupid does

Not the new owners, silly. They're a great mob. :D It's the distributors and the seemingly vice-like control they have nationally on prices that is unAustralian! Still, when in Rome etc.

I whipped up a big shelf in the weekend that needed a support every 600mm, and instead of my normal screwed halving joint to connect the angled support to the horizontal bearer, I whipped a couple of 8x40 doms in each. Brilliant. I can hang off 'em with nary a creak. Pics later.

D

[Richardwoodhead]

To any potential Domino users, I'd recommend contacting Ideal Tools and requesting the DVD (or is it CD) - and watching the short video displays of setting up & making stuff. It looks VERY easy but results in super strong and precise joins (I'll be back in my workshop in a few weeks - have my Domino ready & am reading up on technique.

Richard

[TassieKiwi]

The Festool.au site has the promo stuff as short video clips - same as the DVD. It is as easy as it looks.;)

Den

[TassieKiwi]

Here's that trial joint I was on about, and a pic of the shelf supports that I knocked up in a few mins. They also easily supported my full weight. I did glue these!:

[TassieKiwi]

I cut the 180 :eek: 5mm mortices for the KS bed last night in the legs and uprights. The Rimu is very hard and as my design precluded using the wee locator studs (workpiece horizontal, Domi vertical) it was dancing about a bit during trial runs, so I put a roll of that soft sticky anti-skid stuff like you put in drawers under the workpiece (good for ROS too;) ). Magic, absorbed vibration and held the workpiece firmly. :cool: Only 180 more to go in the slats. Pic of a simple jig for this later.

Domiden.

[Auld Bassoon]

I'm starting to think that you, TassieKiwi, Lignum, Rocker (and Simou!) should be putting in a bulk order for leather Domi harnesses :eek: :eek: :eek: :D :D :D

[Guy]

Festool had a demo day at Total tools in South Melb, had a play with it and am considering buying it now, even got 2 bottles of Chardonay for going there.

[Lignum]

:( Wish i had of gone myself just for the free plomk;)